when do you think the MBP would have these STOCK specs?

patent10021

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For Pro users i.e. daily driver for all media production and engineering work. ML, mammoth Xcode projects, VR, AI, UE4 etc.

48GB/64GB
3TB SD
Upgradable discreet (shh, it's a secret) GPU (VR capable)
New display coating (they still have the peeling issue)
MagSafe USB-C
Remove SD card, add USB-C/Lightning
Liquid or other fan-less cooling
Option to order without TouchBar
 
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jerryk

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48GB/64GB
3TB SD
Upgradable discreet GPU (VR capable)
New display coating (they still have the peeling issue)
MagSafe USB-C
Remove SD card, add USB-C/Lightning
Liquid or other fan-less cooling
Option to order without TouchBar
Just forget any upgradable. MacBooks Pros will always be upgradable by pulling out your credit card.
 

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- It took them 8 years to raise the RAM from 16 to 32, so not anytime soon
- Large SSD will remain a very pricey upgrade option for many years
- Upgradeable discrete GPU? Lol, never
- No idea, honestly
- If they wanted to keep MagSafe alive in the USB-C transition, I think they would have done so already
- Not sure what you mean, SD card has been removed for USB-C in 2016
- As for cooling, they could stop trying to make the machine thinner at all costs and start from there
- We can only hope they’ll move to something better than TB in the next redesign

For people who need machines like the one you describe, there are other products in the market. The MBP has never targeted this segment of the market and never will.
 

chabig

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48GB/64GB
3TB SD
Upgradable discreet GPU (VR capable)
New display coating (they still have the peeling issue)
MagSafe USB-C
Remove SD card, add USB-C/Lightning
Liquid or other fan-less cooling
Option to order without TouchBar
I wouldn't bother with those wimpy specs. Real pros need 128GB of RAM and 4TB of SSD capacity minimum. Also, why would you want your GPU to be "careful and circumspect in one's speech or actions"?
 
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LogicalApex

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Some of those, never. Liquid cooling isn't some magical thing. You still need some way to dump your heat into the air to cool the device. Which is why liquid cooled machines still have a radiator block... Since Mac laptops already use their case as a heatsink I expect this trend to continue as it offers the best way to cool the computer in a quieter fashion.

You also already have an upgradable discreet GPU in the best possible fashion with eGPUs. There will never be a better option I don't think for laptops that need real power (we'll get faster interconnects like Thunderbolt 4 or something, but powerful GPUs will be external). As real GPU power is still need a lot of power and generate a lot of heat and this has never changed.

I also don't see mag safe coming back to USB C. At least not from Apple. The big marketing push from Apple with USB C is that this port will serve as a single port for everything. Connecting displays, external drives, etc. Mag Safe would only work for power and nothing else.
 

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New display coating (they still have the peeling issue)
MagSafe USB-C
Remove SD card, add USB-C/Lightning
Liquid or other fan-less cooling
Option to order without TouchBar
And I want it to cook dinner and fly me to space as well.

Show me a consumer thin n light laptop that fit your specs from any manufacturer.
 

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I don't think they can make a MagSafe USB-C, unless they allow every other manufacture to have access to it.
 

leman

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Answer is simple: never. What you are looking for is a workstation class desktop replacement. Apple never made those and its quite unlikely that they ever will.
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Liquid or other fan-less cooling
I don't think you understand how cooling works...
 
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Answer is simple: never. What you are looking for is a workstation class desktop replacement. Apple never made those and its quite unlikely that they ever will.
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I don't think you understand how cooling works...
It's a shame their marketing department thinks they do sell workstation class laptops, and charges accordingly.
[doublepost=1547810672][/doublepost]To answer the OP, if you want such a spec then get a laptop from Dell, Lenovo or HP. they have workstation class laptops, and have been offering this spec for years. Apple just think they have workstation class laptops, but the only thing that is workstation about them is the price.
 

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It's a shame their marketing department thinks they do sell workstation class laptops, and charges accordingly.
They do sell workstation class laptops just not the big kind. The MacBook Pro has perfected the thin-and-light performance-oriented laptop. Apple never strived to make the fastest laptop, their goal was and still is to make a very fast laptop in a very portable chassis. A jack of all trades machine, if you want. Which makes more sense to most of the users than a large semi-portable behemoth. If you want one of those, yes, go HP or Dell, or just get a large gaming laptop and save some money.

but the only thing that is workstation about them is the price.
[...] and the way its built (power system), the surge protection, premium selection of components (WiFi, controllers etc.), the SSD, etc. etc. Not to mention that it's still one of the very few laptops of that performance class that can actually deliver good battery life. But its also true that others have caught up. Dell XPS's battery is actually useable for the first time.
 

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They do sell workstation class laptops just not the big kind. The MacBook Pro has perfected the thin-and-light performance-oriented laptop. Apple never strived to make the fastest laptop, their goal was and still is to make a very fast laptop in a very portable chassis. A jack of all trades machine, if you want. Which makes more sense to most of the users than a large semi-portable behemoth. If you want one of those, yes, go HP or Dell, or just get a large gaming laptop and save some money.



[...] and the way its built (power system), the surge protection, premium selection of components (WiFi, controllers etc.), the SSD, etc. etc. Not to mention that it's still one of the very few laptops of that performance class that can actually deliver good battery life. But its also true that others have caught up. Dell XPS's battery is actually useable for the first time.

No they don't. There was a time when MacBook Pro's did compete with the highest spec PC laptops and they were very good. Now they are just thin. They lack RAM, expandability and ports. Other's haven't just caught up, they surpassed Apple a few years ago. Apple still has a great OS and the best ecosystem in the market, they just cripple their laptops with this thin obsession. The pro market doesn't need looks as much as it needs functionality and reliability. Apple these days sadly only offers eye candy.
 

leman

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There was a time when MacBook Pro's did compete with the highest spec PC laptops and they were very good.
There was NEVER such time. For any MBP that ever existed, there was always an EliteBook/friends with double the CPU cores, double/tripple the RAM, 2+ times faster GPU etc. etc. In fact, it's only now that the MBP can compete with highest spec laptops, since they are literally using fastest mobile CPUs on the market and a GPU that doesn't have to be ashamed.
 

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48GB/64GB
3TB SD
Upgradable discreet GPU (VR capable)
New display coating (they still have the peeling issue)
MagSafe USB-C
Remove SD card, add USB-C/Lightning
Liquid or other fan-less cooling
Option to order without TouchBar

You mean as base specs? Hopefully not any time soon.
 

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Upgradable discreet GPU (VR capable)
Have you not seen apple's prior moves of soldering/gluing more and more components to the degree that it impossible to do any repair, never mind upgrades.

Liquid or other fan-less cooling
Coffee Lake processors run too hot and unless apple wants to use the ultra low powered variants (read very slow), there's no way to have an air cooled laptop. Of course that also means not using a dgpu. Liquid cooled in a laptop sounds like a bad idea, as any leaks will spell doom to the laptop
 

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Yes, I know liquid is not good. That's why I said other. It just seems so odd that in 2019 we need fans. The same fans we've had for decades.
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I tried to stop muself, but I simply cannot. The word is discrete not discreet. Lol.
I fixed it for you lol
 

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It just seems so odd that in 2019 we need fans. The same fans we've had for decades.
Is it also odd that we still need wheels on cars? The same wheels we've used for thousands of years? Until something better comes along (if it can) we'll keep using the best tool for the job.

Heat is a waste product of computing that needs to be transferred somewhere. Currently, fans is the most efficient way to dump that heat into the surrounding air.

Even your car uses the same reality. Your car is liquid cooled with coolant, but had a radiator and fan whose job is to dump that heat waste product into the surrounding air which is cooler and able to absorb that energy transfer efficiently.
 
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48GB/64GB
3TB SD
Upgradable discreet (shh, it's a secret) GPU (VR capable)
New display coating (they still have the peeling issue)
MagSafe USB-C
Remove SD card, add USB-C/Lightning
Liquid or other fan-less cooling
Option to order without TouchBar
Never and if they did I could only imagine the cries about the pricing. The VR support would be awesome though and it's almost there now. Keep in mind a Mac will never be a PC an a huge chunk of those specs sound PC like. If I wanted one I would buy one.
 

leman

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Yes, I know liquid is not good. That's why I said other. It just seems so odd that in 2019 we need fans.
Go change the laws of physics and then we won’t need fans. Internally, laptops are already using heat pipes which are superior to water cooling in terms of heat transfer. For heat dissipation however, you need the exchange with the environment. So it’s either a pair of compact fans or carrying around a passive radiator the size of a melon.
 
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There was NEVER such time. For any MBP that ever existed, there was always an EliteBook/friends with double the CPU cores, double/tripple the RAM, 2+ times faster GPU etc. etc. In fact, it's only now that the MBP can compete with highest spec laptops, since they are literally using fastest mobile CPUs on the market and a GPU that doesn't have to be ashamed.
Yes there was - Apple was ahead in 2010 when the unibody MBP came out.
 

Ploki

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Yes there was - Apple was ahead in 2010 when the unibody MBP came out.
2010 15" were Penryn dual-cores, nothing spectacular, while Toshiva Quosmio X505 rocked an
i7-720QM quad-core.
(Also dell, HP, etc) it wasn't until 2011 that Apple switched to quads.

That's not even competing :D that's hands down losing by default.
 
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