When will Apple launch a COMPLETELY different phone?

[coochiekuta]

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If market-share was what concerns Apple, they'd be selling $500 MBP's. You can't cash a check with market-share.

what percentage of the pc market does windows hold? how can you say marketshare does not translate into dollars? im stupid so please help me understand.

owning the market = successful. you cant own the market and be unsuccessful, unless you blow your money on failed side projects.

 

[Dr Kevorkian94]

never

 

[mikelegacy]

all I can say is that the iPhone has sold near 45 million units and that was BEFORE the ip4 came out. I'm sure it's up to 55-60 million now. show me a single android phone that has sold even half that....now tell me marketshare matters...

 

[Fliesen]

uhm ... next friday?

 

[Apple...]

what percentage of the pc market does windows hold? how can you say marketshare does not translate into dollars? im stupid so please help me understand.

owning the market = successful. you cant own the market and be unsuccessful, unless you blow your money on failed side projects.

Since when is Microsoft making more money than Apple? They have clearly stated many times over in their quarterly earnings calls that marketshare is not the most important/ nor was it their goal.

 

[mikelegacy]

what percentage of the pc market does windows hold? how can you say marketshare does not translate into dollars? im stupid so please help me understand.

owning the market = successful. you cant own the market and be unsuccessful, unless you blow your money on failed side projects.

apple was only 1 billion dollars behind Microsoft in revenue last year and they only own 3% of the PC market. and you're gonna tell me marketshare matters to apple? like a poster has said before, they'd be offering $300 netbooks, if so. their profit margin is astronomical.

 

[iUser4Lyfe]

what percentage of the pc market does windows hold? how can you say marketshare does not translate into dollars? im stupid so please help me understand.

owning the market = successful. you cant own the market and be unsuccessful, unless you blow your money on failed side projects.

I'm not sure you guys understand at all what your talking about. Yes if you own the market you are usually successful in that market. What we are trying to get through your damn head is its not the ONLY way to be successful in the maket.

Please understand this concept. The POINT of the market is to make money. Thats it. You have two ways to do this.

1) You sell an ass ton of product
2) You sell less product for a higher profit.

If you cannot understand this very simple business concept PLEASE STOP TALKING.

**This is not all directed at you more at the whole group

 

[Small White Car]

owning the market = successful

Wrong.

Earlier this summer Apple was shipping 3% of the world's phones.

At the same time, their profits were higher than all other phone makers combined.

So you tell me: Would you rather have 97% market share or...you know...more money than everyone else put together?

I'd take the money.

 

[mikelegacy]

I'm not sure you guys understand at all what your talking about. Yes if you own the market you are usually successful in that market. What we are trying to get through your damn head is its not the ONLY way to be successful in the maket.

Please understand this concept. The POINT of the market is to make money. Thats it. You have two ways to do this.

1) You sell an ass ton of product
2) You sell less product for a higher profit.

If you cannot understand this very simple business concept PLEASE STOP TALKING.

**This is not all directed at you more at the whole group

thank you! someone who understands simple business! haha

 

[w00t951]

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Unfortunately never. Palm is a fine example of an exceptional and superior OS made available on the same hardware year after year. If Web OS were available on different hardware and through different manufacturers, Palm probably wouldn't have fallen on hard times and be bought out by HP. The formula can only last for so long. Apple tried to play catch up with iPhone 4 this year and probably have way more catching up to do next year. The downward spiral begins.....

Which is exactly why iOS shares are increasing and Android shares are decreasing.

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If market-share was what concerns Apple, they'd be selling $500 MBP's. You can't cash a check with market-share.

what percentage of the pc market does windows hold? how can you say marketshare does not translate into dollars? im stupid so please help me understand.

owning the market = successful. you cant own the market and be unsuccessful, unless you blow your money on failed side projects.

At least you admit it.

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Maybe not, but I'm pretty sure that having the highest percent of marketshare has never been part of Apple's goal. Just sayin'.

If I were to say that the color Black in fact is black someone like an Apple apologist like you would argue against that.

FYI Market share=$$$$

Go do your homework, read more and post less.

Well, sell 500 $.25 toys, then sell one 80,000 Benz. Dur, what made more money?

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If market-share was what concerns Apple, they'd be selling $500 MBP's. You can't cash a check with market-share.

what percentage of the pc market does windows hold? how can you say marketshare does not translate into dollars? im stupid so please help me understand.

owning the market = successful. you cant own the market and be unsuccessful, unless you blow your money on failed side projects.

We're talking about market share and profit, not market share and success. Get it right.

 

[JASApplications]

Do you think that apple will ever release a different kind of phone? Besides the Iphone? I think that they should make some other phones like ones with keyboards and stuff like that. So they would still sell the Iphone, and other lines of mobile phones since they are going to eventually have to have the Iphone on a different network. That would be cool, but is it likely?

No. Why would they ever need to invent another phone. In my opinion the iPhone is the best best smartphone on the market by a mile. The iPhone has been one of Apple's most successful inventions so they might as well continue to build on that.

 

[wirelessmacuser]

Are you crazy? The iPhone 4 is the best selling phone ever.

Yes it is a huge seller. This morning on CNN they reported that "iPad" is the number one search word on Google. Both of these facts prove nothing more than what Apple has accomplished with a brilliant, ultra successful marketing campaign.

One that is of far higher quality than the products they advertise. Based on personal experience the iPhone, and iPad are very good, but not phenomenal.

Apple has created a perception amongst the public that their products are "must haves". When in fact the iPhone in particular has several flaws that do not reflect Apples true capability, and engineering expertise. Instead the iPhone suffers mediocre phone performance, durability issues due to the choice of glass, and an overwhelming case of finger pointing at the carrier. Blaming them for what is only partially their responsibility.

Apple not only blew it on the antenna, they did not do a very good job with the overall performance of the phone.

When I get into an area where my iPhone 4 is weak, and I take out either my Android phone or my BlackBerry (both on AT&T) and immediately place a phone call that is of excellent quality, it's very clear that AT&T is not the problem. I have years of experience on both Verizon and AT&T and there is very little (if any) difference between these two networks.

I want to see Apple do what they are perfectly capable of doing. Building a truly world class smartphone, and then I will be the first to advocate for them. As a very long time, loyal Apple customer I would enjoy having an iPhone that I could honestly say is the best I've ever owned. Now it's up to Apple to set aside their ego long enough to get serious and do the right thing. Build a great iPhone.

 

[coochiekuta]

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We're talking about market share and profit, not market share and success. Get it right.

someone said you cant cash checks by owning the market. if you own the market you will be successful. success is measured in dollars aka profit. what did you take it to mean? the company staying afloat?

Wrong.

Earlier this summer Apple was shipping 3% of the world's phones.

At the same time, their profits were higher than all other phone makers combined.

So you tell me: Would you rather have 97% market share or...you know...more money than everyone else put together?

I'd take the money.

how is it wrong? does the market leader not make money?

 

[QuarterSwede]

how is it wrong? does the market leader not make money?

Apple figured out a long time ago that the market leader doesn't necessarily make the most money.

 

[goobot]

Speaking OS wise Android in less than a year has 25% of the cell phone market while Apple has dropped to 17%. Why? Because it's available on all carriers, different form factors and different models. Iphone 4 may be the best selling phone but I'm sure Apple is not happy with the current percentage they have on the cell phone market.

Mac has been like that since 84. Apple really doesnt care. Android will be the windows of phones. It will get a lot of sells. Then when everyone sees what a fail it is cause the soft has to work with tonz of diff hardware ect, the iphone will rise again. Apple and steve like a good product in second than a piece of crap in first.

 

[Small White Car]

how is it wrong? does the market leader not make money?

Not always.

Nokia still makes more phones than anyone else. (By a wide margin, actually. They were shipping about 10 times the number of phones that Apple does.) They also lost over €500 million in 2009. (They're doing better this year.) So being the market leader does NOT always mean you're making money.

So it's not correct to say "owning the market = successful." Sometimes it does. But not always.

 

[ajohnson253]

never

+1

 

[bigred7078]

someone said you cant cash checks by owning the market. if you own the market you will be successful. success is measured in dollars aka profit. what did you take it to mean? the company staying afloat?

how is it wrong? does the market leader not make money?

Go back to school...

 

[mtnDewFTW]

I think what Apple tries to do with the iPhone is push it as much as they can to give it that 'futuristic' feel. Where you don't need to care about little things like memory and batteries. To them, giving you a keyboard is taking a HUGE step back from the on screen keyboard they offer now. And in a way, I agree. Personally, I don't care for stuff like extended memory, exchangeable batteries, and slide out keyboards. Those are some of the main things that most people have on their wishlist when they think of iPhones. Even to me, that seems like a pretty big step back. I like the fact that I don't have to manually do anything. iTunes does everything for me. I don't mean to sound like I'm all over Apple's nuts or anything, but adding more buttons and openings to the phone is gonna take it back to the past. But then again, some people really like to customize their phone, so there's nothing wrong with that either. I just don't like to fiddle around too much, I want it to just... work lol

 

[labman]

how many times has this been asked! Apple will decide what they do next. so far every phone is more successful then the last. But if they fail then I will buy something else.

 

[coochiekuta]

Not always.

Nokia still makes more phones than anyone else. (By a wide margin, actually. They were shipping about 10 times the number of phones that Apple does.) They also lost over €500 million in 2009. (They're doing better this year.) So being the market leader does NOT always mean you're making money.

So it's not correct to say "owning the market = successful." Sometimes it does. But not always.

their market share went down and they lost money, quite interesting. just curious but how many companies manage the opposite?

im not here saying theres only one way to do business. nor that any leader is immune to loses. ms takes loses all the time. im saying thriving to be the "man" is not a recipe for failure. sry for implying that the leaders never fall.

 

[daneoni]

As soon as you march into 1 infinite loop and subsequently, steve job's office, and order him to do so. Might help if you say the sudo command too.

 

[crazytiger86]

It's about as likely as Google only having one Android phone.

Apple will never make a phone with more buttons than the current one has. If they could get rid of all of them, they would.

I highly doubt you'll see any phone other than the iPhone from Apple for a long, long time, if ever. The iPhone may look a lot different in a few years, but it will still be the iPhone. How long have we had the iPod and iMac?

Google does only have one android phone. The Nexus. HTC, Samsung, and Motorola on the other hand....

 

[WiiDSmoker]

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I just want a bigger screen :/

 

[SAD*FACED*CLOWN]

Google does only have one android phone. The Nexus. HTC, Samsung, and Motorola on the other hand....

Actually Google does not manufacture the Nexus...Samsung does