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Apple will release a new iPad Mini, 'Pro' or not, when the numbers on the next quarter don't look good, at which point the brilliant braintrust boldly leading the company nowadays will scramble with a 'new', barely-worth-the-name 'updated' Mini to sell to the rubes--er, I mean customers.

It seems Apple no longer releases great products when they're ready; it's the balance sheet that dictates that these days. :(
 
Just because the rumors aren't saying anything about the Mini doesn't mean it's not going to happen. That's what happens when you focus too much on "rumors" - they tend to set expectations for unreleased/unannounced products - then disappointment sets in when the rumor doesn't match the release.
While you're right that rumors don't dictate what's coming, in recent years the rumors have either covered everything that was released or overshot and stated things that didn't materialize. I don't remember being surprised by anything lately. So I certainly hope you're right that just because we're not hearing about it doesn't mean it's not going to happen, but I'm not getting my hopes up.

How is the iPad Pro 9.7" not "thin" or "mobile"? The Mini 4 is super thin. The Apple Pencil is pretty thin. I'm all for offering options, but I'm not sure how much smaller it could get without compromising battery and comfort.
All iPads are technically mobile, but the iPad mini is obviously smaller and therefore more mobile than the 9.7" iPad Pro. I'm merely pointing out that it seems ironic that Apple is very focused on making everything thinner, lighter, and more mobile, yet then they produce devices that earn premium features that are larger (iPhone Plus, the original 12" iPad Pro). It'd be nice if they wouldn't stratify features, as it makes it seem as if the smaller devices are budget-line.

As for the Apple Pencil, the thing is quite large. It was designed for artists, and in that regard it's perfect. It's about the size of a paint brush. But if we're trying to use it as a writing implement, it's far too large. I keep it in a pocket, using a case that adds on a pocket clip, and despite the pocket being fairly deep the clip only partly holds on to pocket fabric.

If you want to see an example of a stylus the likes of which I wish Apple would copy, look at the Adonit Jot Dash. It's basically the same of a ballpoint pen, and it's rated as writing for 14 hours. That's not 14 hours between charges, but 14 hours of solid writing. I write heavily, and I can recharge it once a week. I generally need to recharge my Apple Pencil about once a day, by comparison. I put up with the inconvenience because the writing experience with the Pencil is such a joy, but it's clear that Apple can do better for those of us who want to use our devices purely for note-taking. No doubt the Pencil is probably quite thin and light for packing in all of the features that are important for artists, but how about something even smaller for the mobile professionals?
 
All iPads are technically mobile, but the iPad mini is obviously smaller and therefore more mobile than the 9.7" iPad Pro. I'm merely pointing out that it seems ironic that Apple is very focused on making everything thinner, lighter, and more mobile, yet then they produce devices that earn premium features that are larger (iPhone Plus, the original 12" iPad Pro). It'd be nice if they wouldn't stratify features, as it makes it seem as if the smaller devices are budget-line.

Yeah, it would be nice if Apple released a Pro in all three sizes at the same time, but Apple typically releases new features on a single device first, then it trickles into other products so it's nothing new. If they had released all three models with Pencil compatibility, then I think I would have bought the 12.9 and 7.9, forgoing the 9.7.

As for the Apple Pencil, the thing is quite large. It was designed for artists, and in that regard it's perfect. It's about the size of a paint brush. But if we're trying to use it as a writing implement, it's far too large. I keep it in a pocket, using a case that adds on a pocket clip, and despite the pocket being fairly deep the clip only partly holds on to pocket fabric.

If you want to see an example of a stylus the likes of which I wish Apple would copy, look at the Adonit Jot Dash. It's basically the same of a ballpoint pen, and it's rated as writing for 14 hours. That's not 14 hours between charges, but 14 hours of solid writing. I write heavily, and I can recharge it once a week. I generally need to recharge my Apple Pencil about once a day, by comparison. I put up with the inconvenience because the writing experience with the Pencil is such a joy, but it's clear that Apple can do better for those of us who want to use our devices purely for note-taking. No doubt the Pencil is probably quite thin and light for packing in all of the features that are important for artists, but how about something even smaller for the mobile professionals?

Different strokes for different folks. As I said, I'm all for Apple releasing various sizes for the Pencil, but the size is pretty perfect for me as it stands - be it drawing or writing. I agree the battery life could be better though. Personally, I would prefer a AAAA battery, but there was another poster in another thread that explained why this would be impractical.

Isn't the Dash about the same size as the Apple Pencil?
Looking at my Adonit Pixel (which is a terrible stylus, BTW) and the Apple Pencil is actually thinner and only slightly taller. The Dash looks comparable to the Pixel (though lacking the clip).
 
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I agree my mini 4 is working like a champ.

I couldn't agree more. My fiancée purchased a Mini 4 for Christmas for me. My Mini 2 felt like it was getting a bit long in the tooth. I really love how the Mini 4 is light and I definitely appreciate the increased speed too.
 
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If they can't release an iPad mini Pro due to production issues (which is unacceptable enough), then the least they could do is release an iPad mini 5 with an A9 chip to at least keep things interesting.

And photo-align the LCD so contrast doesn't suck compared to other iPads.

If it's an iPad Pro 7.9" with a $100 price increase, I'd still buy it if it has both a "Pro" display and an A10 Fusion.

Unfortunately that's not how Cook's Apple rolls. The Mini is supposedly the best selling iPad so they'll reason that it doesn't need an upgrade. I wish more consumers would punish Apple by refusing to purchase products that haven't been refreshed in over 16 months.
 
And photo-align the LCD so contrast doesn't suck compared to other iPads.

If it's an iPad Pro 7.9" with a $100 price increase, I'd still buy it if it has both a "Pro" display and an A10 Fusion.

Unfortunately that's not how Cook's Apple rolls. The Mini is supposedly the best selling iPad so they'll reason that it doesn't need an upgrade. I wish more consumers would punish Apple by refusing to purchase products that haven't been refreshed in over 16 months.

"Most consumers" don't care - they buy the device they need/want when they want it. It's just the tech obsessed crowd that nitpick son details like how long the device has been out.
 
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Different strokes for different folks. As I said, I'm all for Apple releasing various sizes for the Pencil, but the size is pretty perfect for me as it stands - be it drawing or writing. I agree the battery life could be better though. Personally, I would prefer a AAAA battery, but there was another poster in another thread that explained why this would be impractical.

Isn't the Dash about the same size as the Apple Pencil?
Looking at my Adonit Pixel (which is a terrible stylus, BTW) and the Apple Pencil is actually thinner and only slightly taller. The Dash looks comparable to the Pixel (though lacking the clip).
Thickness was never really the issue, but even there the Dash is slightly thinner than the Pencil (0.35 inches for the Pencil vs 0.33 inches for the Dash 2, which looks to be pretty similar to the original Dash that I've been using). If anything, the Dash could have done with being a bit thicker.

The dimension I take issue with is the length. The Pencil is 6.92 inches long, while the Dash is 5.5 inches. Your standard pen is about 4-5 inches. The Dash is essentially a digital pen, from the size and clip to the mode of operation ("clicking" the top to turn it on and off, just as you would with a pen with a retractable tip), while the Pencil is clearly something different.

None of this is meant as criticism of the Apple Pencil. It seems to have been designed primarily as an artist's tool, and is adaptable to a number of other writing uses. It's comfortable to hold and it writes and draws spectacularly. The battery life is really quite good if you're not carrying it or moving around too much, either, as it reportedly goes to "sleep" if it senses that it's immobile. Again, all perfect for someone who is using it in a stationary environment, or who moves around only a bit during the day. However, the form is not optimal for someone who wants a stylus more specialized toward writing and frequently moving about. Something smaller that can easily fit and clip to a pocket and something that can be powered off and on would seem to be ideal. Remove some of the fancy artist features (all of the pressure gradation sensing, and the extreme angle sensing) and lower the price a bit to make it a bit easier to replace in case it were lost/stolen, and it'd be even better.

It'd be a separate product and my guess is that Apple wouldn't do such a thing because - like the iPad Mini - they would worry that people might buy the cheaper product even if they'd be better-served by the more expensive one, and would just try to use it as if it were the more expensive and feature-filled product.

It's a shame, though, because it could do a lot toward making people go digital instead of using paper. When I started using iPads instead of paper about four or so years ago a lot of people liked the idea and wanted to try, but there were two major hurdles to overcome: establishing a digital workflow, and actually writing on the iPad. Styluses back then were the soft, fat-tipped, rubber type, and they were admittedly unpleasant to write with. Devices like the Jot Dash were a revelation, and despite not being particularly cheap, a few people have followed my lead and bought the Jot Dash to try and go digital with their own devices. The Apple Pencil is by the far the most natural-feeling writing experience so far, easily beating the Jot Dash (which was the best of the styluses, up until the Pencil). But the price, the size (and lack of a built-in clip), the need to recharge it pretty much every day... those are still barriers. I'm willing to put up with them, but I can't imagine anyone trying to copy my current setup.
 
"Most consumers" don't care - they buy the device they need/want when they want it. It's just the tech obsessed crowd that nitpick son details like how long the device has been out.

I'm not so sure that the average consumer doesn't notice the relatively poor display on the Mini. I was in Costco yesterday and you could see from 20 feet away that the Pros had better displays than the Mini. When I walked up to them a mom and her two sons were checking them out and the mom noted "but that little one doesn't look as nice as these two." She couldn't have provided a technical explanation as to why it didn't look as nice but she had two eyes and a visual cortex.

But you're right that it doesn't matter so much how long it's been since a refresh. If I could walk into an Apple Store and plunk down $600 for an iPad Pro 7.9" then I wouldn't care either.
 
I'm not so sure that the average consumer doesn't notice the relatively poor display on the Mini. I was in Costco yesterday and you could see from 20 feet away that the Pros had better displays than the Mini. When I walked up to them a mom and her two sons were checking them out and the mom noted "but that little one doesn't look as nice as these two." She couldn't have provided a technical explanation as to why it didn't look as nice but she had two eyes and a visual cortex.

But you're right that it doesn't matter so much how long it's been since a refresh. If I could walk into an Apple Store and plunk down $600 for an iPad Pro 7.9" then I wouldn't care either.

You mean comparatively poor?

Personally, I wouldn't say the screen on the Mini 4 is "poor" in any sense. "Not as good as the Pro"? Sure, but it still has a fantastic display - I don't think "not as good as" is equal to "poor".
 
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I'm not so sure that the average consumer doesn't notice the relatively poor display on the Mini. I was in Costco yesterday and you could see from 20 feet away that the Pros had better displays than the Mini. When I walked up to them a mom and her two sons were checking them out and the mom noted "but that little one doesn't look as nice as these two." She couldn't have provided a technical explanation as to why it didn't look as nice but she had two eyes and a visual cortex.

But you're right that it doesn't matter so much how long it's been since a refresh. If I could walk into an Apple Store and plunk down $600 for an iPad Pro 7.9" then I wouldn't care either.

Before the 9.7" Pro, the Mini 4 was frequently said to have the best display of all iPads, including the Air 2 and the 12.9" Pro. I suspect that the Mini 4 in your anecdote only seemed lacking because it's smaller.
 
Yeah my mini 4 display is really incredible. When I got it last year, I was really surprised at how nice it was.

Honestly all I personally really need out of the mini at this point is a 256gb storage option. They can call it what they want, and pencil support would sure be awesome, but if I had to choose one thing it'd be the storage increase for me. Now that the iPhone even has that storage tier, it's pretty awkward that the mini doesn't.
 
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I totally agree!! Not even close to poor.
Well, you are simply a mere mortal with standard human vision. Just hop over to the Macbook Air forum section of this site and you'll encounter X-Men with superhuman supervision... they claim to be able to spot individual pixels on a retina display from 10 feet away and that the Macbook Air screens are a pixelated blurry mess.
 
Well, you are simply a mere mortal with standard human vision. Just hop over to the Macbook Air forum section of this site and you'll encounter X-Men with superhuman supervision... they claim to be able to spot individual pixels on a retina display from 10 feet away and that the Macbook Air screens are a pixelated blurry mess.
Lol. I am indeed a mere mortal.
 
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