when will the next mbp 13' come out?

[vant]

Everyone posting on this thread complaining about the CPU is most likely the least likely to use it to it's potential.

Prove me wrong.

And if you do prove me wrong, show me how a significant reduction in GPU would help you with an increase of CPU power.

(C2D 2.4 + 320M) vs (i3/i5 + IGP)

 

[vant]

well,what we are talking now is about macbook pro, it is called pro, so it has to be good enough to handle some professional works. you know, macbook pro is more expensive than other pc laptops,however, it is ok if you can get at least same technology. but the problem is that even 500 dollars pc laptops on the market has at least i3 in it.....so what do you think that you paid 1200 dollars for a C2D so called macbook pro???

Apply really really need a great competitor who make great laptops using Mac OS.

Thanks for proving your ignorance. The C2D is on par with the Core i3. Your telling me that if the MBP13 had a Core i3 branded CPU you would buy it?

And please, don't start with the 'Pro' crap. It's a marketing term.

 

[stefan1975]

i think the general idea is to have a true "killer gpu" like an ATI or nv 335 instead of crappy igp or soso 320m shared *and* an i5/i7. it can be done in a 1 inch 13 body easily. a quad core would be even better.

this is supposed to be a pro machine and definitely has a pro price but it has couch-surfing specs at best.

previous gen was similar specs across all sizes, now the 13 is a consumer machine and they even made it EUR 100 more expensive. i *might * consider it at EUR700 but definitely not at EUR1150 ($1550).

 

[aeboi]

pro price? 13 base is $200 more than the macbook, base 15 is $600 more than the base 13 pro and $800 more than the MB

depends on your definition of pro pricing

 

[stefan1975]

pro price? 13 base is $200 more than the macbook, base 15 is $600 more than the base 13 pro and $800 more than the MB

depends on your definition of pro pricing but many wouldn't consider it pro priced

well for me personally EUR1150 ($1500) for a c2d, 5400rpm, shared RAM GPU system is quite overpriced even considering the Apple premium. this is less so with the mbp15 this generation which got a decent upgrade. i am not even going to compare it to the price of similar specced win7 laptops here.

 

[bigjobby]

it's not 4 years old, it's "just" three with the p8600 coming from 2008.

did I ever say it was 4? Call it 2 years old to be more precise. Anyway, I can see what some people are trying to get at. At the end of the day the OP has not once said what he wants to use a MBP for as this certainly would be helpful. If he's that desperate, I suggest getting the 15" MBP.

well,what we are talking now is about macbook pro, it is called pro, so it has to be good enough to handle some professional works.

'Pro' is just a marketing name and that's all.

I'm not going to go into a discussion of 'why this, why that' and 'this and that is better' because its off topic (and its been done to death) but let us not forget that without seeing the bigger picture eg. legal and design issues, one cannot have a quick jab at Apple for its current implementation.

So back to the topic of the thread, nobody knows when the next update is and who knows, it might just be another C2D with a speed bump. Even if there is a significant CPU upgrade, then there'll be loads of people complaining and then waiting for Blu-ray or whatever to arrive.

 

[b4uloveme]

Thanks for proving your ignorance. The C2D is on par with the Core i3. Your telling me that if the MBP13 had a Core i3 branded CPU you would buy it?

And please, don't start with the 'Pro' crap. It's a marketing term.

please read my words carefully, dude, I was saying "at least i3" in a 500 dollar laptop and it dosen't means that i would buy a mbp13 with i3.

we are all sort of mac fans,but I don't want to be a stupid one that can accept anything of Apple.

 

[b4uloveme]

Everyone posting on this thread complaining about the CPU is most likely the least likely to use it to it's potential.

Prove me wrong.

And if you do prove me wrong, show me how a significant reduction in GPU would help you with an increase of CPU power.

(C2D 2.4 + 320M) vs (i3/i5 + IGP)

haha, dude, you are in Apple's trap now?
there is no i3/i5 +IGP option for MBP, and it is not gonna happen.
cause apple won't let this happen and it was just a stupid excuse that apple made to make you feel better to buy the 2010 C2D mbp.

 

[johnnymg]

Thanks a lot.
I am just desperate. i've already waited for like half a year. but still not satisfied with the new model.
i care about processor and also portability. how about you guys what do you expect?

hope in this Oct or Dec, we can hear good news from Buyer's Guide.

and thanks a lot, friends

There's absolutely ZERO chance of a 13" redo until the spring of 2011.

Good luck with your waiting you only have ~6 more months.
JohnG

 

[chris2k5]

I say buy now if you need a laptop. You'll get the iPod and printer free as well. You can sell those and get some money back.

If a new Macbook Pro comes out, the resale value on your current MBP will be still good so you can sell it and trade up for the new one.

 

[revelated]

I can't believe I read that someone considers the 13" to be overpriced. Wow.

Processor: OK...but as I read it, the Core 2 Duo and i3 are virtually identical in terms of processing power. i5 would probably heat the lil bastard too much.

Battery: This is what people are missing. Yes, you can buy a $500 piece of junk PC with a Core i-whatever. And guess what? It'll be lucky to eek out 3 hours of battery life. It also will get to an eventual point of not holding a charge, and needing to always be plugged in.

Screen: which is what eats the battery life in others. LED will last longer, gives a better picture in the majority of cases.

Add to that a form factor that will endure a lot better than PCs, and I don't find the 13" to be overpriced at all.

The 15"? It's pushing it. It's about $200 on the high side.
The 17" is the only really overpriced one of the bunch. Component wise I'd peg it at around $1700. But Apple is obviously adding the price of the aluminum core.

Not counting the Air cause...well...it's a product with no real direction, clearly overpriced and catered to an image-oriented audience.

 

[stefan1975]

I can't believe I read that someone considers the 13" to be overpriced. Wow.

Processor: OK...but as I read it, the Core 2 Duo and i3 are virtually identical in terms of processing power. i5 would probably heat the lil bastard too much.

Battery: This is what people are missing. Yes, you can buy a $500 piece of junk PC with a Core i-whatever. And guess what? It'll be lucky to eek out 3 hours of battery life. It also will get to an eventual point of not holding a charge, and needing to always be plugged in.

Screen: which is what eats the battery life in others. LED will last longer, gives a better picture in the majority of cases.

Add to that a form factor that will endure a lot better than PCs, and I don't find the 13" to be overpriced at all.

The 15"? It's pushing it. It's about $200 on the high side.
The 17" is the only really overpriced one of the bunch. Component wise I'd peg it at around $1700. But Apple is obviously adding the price of the aluminum core.

Not counting the Air cause...well...it's a product with no real direction, clearly overpriced and catered to an image-oriented audience.

you would have been right up until about a year ago when all those points were advantages of the mbp over 13" pc laptops.

but whereas Apple has made zero progress on the mbp pc-land had caught up.

*all* laptops come with LED screens now, the time of lcd is over now, some even with rgbleds.

most A-brand 13 inchers now claim an all day battery.8+ hours isnt Apple exlusive anymore.

they do so with a higher res, core i5+, dedicated gpu, bluray, sometimes usb3, alu casing.

of course that is without OSX and the trackpads do support multitouch now but not so elegantly.

so imho (!) Yes in Euros the mbp is bad value for money. they kept it the same as lastyears whereas the 15 was upgraded.

 

[416049]

you would have been right up until about a year ago when all those points were advantages of the mbp over 13" pc laptops.

but whereas Apple has made zero progress on the mbp pc-land had caught up.

*all* laptops come with LED screens now, the time of lcd is over now, some even with rgbleds.

most A-brand 13 inchers now claim an all day battery.8+ hours isnt Apple exlusive anymore.

they do so with a higher res, core i5+, dedicated gpu, bluray, sometimes usb3, alu casing.

of course that is without OSX and the trackpads do support multitouch now but not so elegantly.

so imho (!) Yes in Euros the mbp is bad value for money. they kept it the same as lastyears whereas the 15 was upgraded.

True, but I disagree when it comes to Design and Reselling Value!

Of course you can buy a PC that has a same and/or better for nearly the same amount of Money. However when you try to sell it for a Mac you will get a lot more money then a PC. Also it looks for Beautiful and except for maybe certain Version of the Lenovo Thinkpad laptops it still is more durable then the others in it's Price Range

 

[Clemson]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that there will never be a 13' mbp released.

Difference between foot and inch abbreviations

 

[gigi11192]

hey dude,i currently have a Macbook pro 13" 2.26 late 2009 and my friend has a mpb 2010 2.4....it is a joke to buy a 1200 dollar mbp with a out of date C2D in it nowadays....ok, you are talking about using it on a regular basis, well, even a stupid school campus computer can handle those so called regular basis pretty good.
I am not saying mbp 13" sucks, but for the update from C2D to C2D really sucks....

i can't agree with you more, man.
i am not saying i don' t like the current mbp 13, but it just ain't feel right, i want something more than that. Let's call it a real update.

Its not 4-5 years old. Besides, its better than living with no processor at all.

come on, man, you know exactly what i meant. you don't want a better macbook pro?

well,what we are talking now is about macbook pro, it is called pro, so it has to be good enough to handle some professional works. you know, macbook pro is more expensive than other pc laptops,however, it is ok if you can get at least same technology. but the problem is that even 500 dollars pc laptops on the market has at least i3 in it.....so what do you think that you paid 1200 dollars for a C2D so called macbook pro???

Apply really really need a great competitor who make great laptops using Mac OS.

Good point,buddy. We are dealing with the PRO. High price, high expectation, it has to be something, something pro right? or else you can buy a macbook instead.

Everyone posting on this thread complaining about the CPU is most likely the least likely to use it to it's potential.

Prove me wrong.

And if you do prove me wrong, show me how a significant reduction in GPU would help you with an increase of CPU power.

(C2D 2.4 + 320M) vs (i3/i5 + IGP)

You are funny. does it matter whether you are right or wrong.

Let's face it. MBP 13 is a little overpriced, is it reasonable for consumers to even wish to have the best THINGS in it. Who is ever talking about how we can use those stuffs to its full potential. I guess nobody could ever accomplish that with a computer.
If you can live with it, it's fine, good for you. But i think many would choose to have a better CPU, GPU,or whatever it is.

Thanks for proving your ignorance. The C2D is on par with the Core i3. Your telling me that if the MBP13 had a Core i3 branded CPU you would buy it?

And please, don't start with the 'Pro' crap. It's a marketing term.

i would buy it if it has a core i series. What's wrong with that. I've used C2D for over 3 years, i want a change, what's wrong with that???

even though "pro"is a merely a marketing term, the corporate strategy sucks when it put a old processor into the new model.

Thanks for showing your ignorance, or you may call it devil-may-care.

There's absolutely ZERO chance of a 13" redo until the spring of 2011.

Good luck with your waiting you only have ~6 more months.
JohnG

Oh, that hurts........
any chance for an update exclusively for mbp 13' haha

 

[spinnerlys]

i can't agree with you more, man.
i am not saying i don' t like the current mbp 13, but it just ain't feel right, i want something more than that. Let's call it a real update.

If you want something more, look for machines that offer what you want, even though they won't have Mac OS X. Just because you and many others want something from Apple, Apple will not listen to you. The 13" C2D MacBook Pro still sells enough units for Apple to be a good choice in their corporate minds.

come on, man, you know exactly what i meant. you don't want a better macbook pro?

For what?

Good point,buddy. We are dealing with the PRO. High price, high expectation, it has to be something, something pro right? or else you can buy a macbook instead.

The line between MacBook and 13" MBP is quite thin, except with the casing and the Firewire port and some other small details.

You are funny. does it matter whether you are right or wrong.

Let's face it. MBP 13 is a little overpriced, is it reasonable for consumers to even wish to have the best THINGS in it. Who is ever talking about how we can use those stuffs to its full potential. I guess nobody could ever accomplish that with a computer.
If you can live with it, it's fine, good for you. But i think many would choose to have a better CPU, GPU,or whatever it is.

Is the second sentence a question or a statement where the negation is screwed up?
Are you sure many even know what a CPU or GPU are? C2D CPUs are more than sufficient to browse the web, post on LameBook and watch YouTube or manage other consumer tasks.

i would buy it if it has a core i series. What's wrong with that. I've used C2D for over 3 years, i want a change, what's wrong with that???

even though "pro"is a merely a marketing term, the corporate strategy sucks when it put a old processor into the new model.

Thanks for showing your ignorance, or you may call it devil-may-care.

Nothing with wanting a change, you just have to wait for it a bit longer.

You're really on a row today.

 

[bigjobby]

come on, man, you know exactly what i meant. you don't want a better macbook pro?

Yes I did so I plunged for the 15" as it best suited my needs. I hear where you're coming from though as the wait for the i5 on the 15" was rather painful. Anyway, if finance isn't a limiting factor why not go for the 15" instead? Just a thought.

 

[stefan1975]

i would buy it if it has a core i series. What's wrong with that. I've used C2D for over 3 years, i want a change, what's wrong with that???

even though "pro"is a merely a marketing term, the corporate strategy sucks when it put a old processor into the new model.

Thanks for showing your ignorance, or you may call it devil-may-care.

even though i agreed with most things you said in this thread and am disappointed with the mbp13 as well, that is just silly.

you would buy it if it had an i3 that was slower just for the name? i dont get that. if they would rebrand it to "core iC2d" that'd be good enough for you? i wont settle for anything less then an i5-450 with HT and TB but then i know i want it for more then a name.

besides it probably is great marketing strategy of Apple to put an old CPU in. they can get then *really* cheap from Intel and sell them for a pro price because the average 13" homework consumer will buy it anyway and doesnt care rightfully so about the CPU, earning Apple kazillions of dollars, so what sucks about that?

the only people who mind actually do need better specs in a small casing, and could get a win7 laptop or just dont get it and go for a name label alone. they arent loosing a dime over either though.

just get a mbp15 instead. for $999 (EUR700) i'd even get a 13.

 

[sup3r1or]

I was thinking the same way and in the end I bought MBP 13" 2010 model. I decided to give up on gaming cuz I have PS3 for that. I can always buy a desktop for intense tasks since they are getting cheaper day by day. Will use MBP for normal work.

But I do agree that apple has a tendancy to sell Sub-Par hardware for High Price. They alway will squeeze all the money from one product before they move on. Next year we will see a new iPad it will have the same CPU or a bit better and a camera and it will be called Revolution again.

So you either accept it, buy MBP or just get a decent laptop cuz Sony now makes E series which are cheap as hell and have core i5 + 1GB Dedicated video

 

[gigi11192]

even though i agreed with most things you said in this thread and am disappointed with the mbp13 as well, that is just silly.

you would buy it if it had an i3 that was slower just for the name? i dont get that. if they would rebrand it to "core iC2d" that'd be good enough for you? i wont settle for anything less then an i5-450 with HT and TB but then i know i want it for more then a name.

besides it probably is great marketing strategy of Apple to put an old CPU in. they can get then *really* cheap from Intel and sell them for a pro price because the average 13" homework consumer will buy it anyway and doesnt care rightfully so about the CPU, earning Apple kazillions of dollars, so what sucks about that?

the only people who mind actually do need better specs in a small casing, and could get a win7 laptop or just dont get it and go for a name label alone. they arent loosing a dime over either though.

just get a mbp15 instead. for $999 (EUR700) i'd even get a 13.

Thanks for the advice, friend. but i think i am gonna wait a bit more.

 

[filmgirl]

I had this same internal debate, albeit AFTER buying my new 13" MBP (it was an impulse buy), I thought to myself, "wait, did I just drop $1200 plus Apple Care on a C2D?" After all, the laptop I'm replacing was a 2.26 C2D (granted it was about 2 or 3 generations behind the current chips, had limited RAM expansion and came with the terrible integrated Intel graphics).

Then I thought about it and realized that for my needs, while an i5 would of course be fantastic, it wasn't worth the $600 difference. Benchmark wise, the performance looks great and if I can get even half of the promised 10 hour battery life, I'll be in heaven. That coupled with the better GPU means that for what I do, I'll be more than fine. And of course, I still have my i7 iMac.

However, I realized that not everyone is in that position. If this were going to be my primary machine, I'll be honest, I would give it some pause and have to really consider if it was worth paying for the 15" or if sucking it up just to get a Mac would be worth it.

I will say this: when I bought my BlackBook back in August 2007, I knew that the refresh with Santa Rosa was imminent. I knew it. I also had a broken computer and needed it replaced before the semester started. I had a choice between a VAIO that was running Santa Rosa and the black MacBook. I got the MacBook and it was my primary computer until last December. In fact, I really could have just bought a new power adaptor (or made an appointment with the Genius Bar to get it replaced) and it would still be a totally serviceable laptop and even a daily-use machine. I just wanted something new.

In other words, at least in my own experience -- and while not a gamer I do tend to be a power user -- "settling" for the less modern hardware for the Mac still pays off in the long run. I mean, at this point, I genuinely think that you'll end up getting a better performance boost investing in a high-end SSD rather than a processor upgrade, but that's just me.

 

[chris2k5]

I also want to make note that even if Core i3 is "faster" only by a little bit (not even noticeable in most cases), the Windows OS will slow it down tremendously over time.

Anyone notice Windows the first day you use the computer is super fast and quick? And then as time goes on, it takes ages to boot and do simple tasks...

I haven't noticed this on the Mac at all. Maybe a little bit with iTunes or Safari but nothing on the scale of Windows.

 

[gigi11192]

I had this same internal debate, albeit AFTER buying my new 13" MBP (it was an impulse buy), I thought to myself, "wait, did I just drop $1200 plus Apple Care on a C2D?" After all, the laptop I'm replacing was a 2.26 C2D (granted it was about 2 or 3 generations behind the current chips, had limited RAM expansion and came with the terrible integrated Intel graphics).

Then I thought about it and realized that for my needs, while an i5 would of course be fantastic, it wasn't worth the $600 difference. Benchmark wise, the performance looks great and if I can get even half of the promised 10 hour battery life, I'll be in heaven. That coupled with the better GPU means that for what I do, I'll be more than fine. And of course, I still have my i7 iMac.

However, I realized that not everyone is in that position. If this were going to be my primary machine, I'll be honest, I would give it some pause and have to really consider if it was worth paying for the 15" or if sucking it up just to get a Mac would be worth it.


Good point, thanks, friend.

 

[revelated]

you would have been right up until about a year ago when all those points were advantages of the mbp over 13" pc laptops.

but whereas Apple has made zero progress on the mbp pc-land had caught up.

*all* laptops come with LED screens now, the time of lcd is over now, some even with rgbleds.

most A-brand 13 inchers now claim an all day battery.8+ hours isnt Apple exlusive anymore.

they do so with a higher res, core i5+, dedicated gpu, bluray, sometimes usb3, alu casing.

of course that is without OSX and the trackpads do support multitouch now but not so elegantly.

so imho (!) Yes in Euros the mbp is bad value for money. they kept it the same as lastyears whereas the 15 was upgraded.

By all means do point me to a 13" PC that has:

- Something OTHER than a POS Intel board
- high end ATI or nVidia mobile graphics card
- At least 4GB of RAM, 1066MHz
- Core 2 Duo or stronger
- A maximum battery life exceeding 6 hours
- LED screen
- solid build quality
- Windows 7 Home Premium or better
- Less than 5 pounds
- Backlit keyboard

Which retails for less than $1100, because I don't find such.

 

[gigi11192]

maybe the next mbp will come out with similar specs as the new imac.
AMD graphics. I will like that.