Where is iPad 2 voice dictation?

Discussion in 'iPad' started by JazzyFizzle, Mar 12, 2012.

  1. JazzyFizzle macrumors member

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    I am almost done with Apple and their marketing strategies.

    They said iPhone 4 couldn't have Siri because the processor wasn't fast enough. This was shortly proved to be BS when hackers successfully ported Siri onto an iPhone 4.

    Now that the iPad 3 has been announced, we have learned that it will feature Siri voice dictation with iOS 5.1.

    Where is the iPad 2 voice dictation? It has the same processor as the iPhone 4S so they can't use processor limitations as a made-up excuse.

    We're all well used to Apple's marketing strategies that leave us customers slightly confused, pissed off and ripped off.
     
  2. Anlino macrumors member

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    They make up an artificial limitation in order to make more money. Nothing new.
     
  3. chukronos macrumors 6502

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    It won't be the full version of Siri. From what I understand, it will be very similar to the Dragon Dictation app available for free in the app store.
     
  4. Roy Hobbs macrumors 68000

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    The iPad 2 doesn't have the extra microphone like the new iPad
     
  5. GoGa, Mar 12, 2012
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    Do you also expect a 5mp camera to magically appear? ;)
     
  6. vega07 macrumors 65816

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    The OP's "demand" isn't so unreasonable, since voice dictation uses WiFi and the same processor.

    I can see why s/he is frustrated. However, that's just how Apple operates. You either buy it when you need it or play the waiting game.
     
  7. DS3 macrumors 6502a

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    Thats hardware, this is software. The iPad 2 can run full Siri through jailbreaking and some server trickery, there is no reason to believe it couldn't run dictation. That extra microhpone may help it but its not required.

    Would you have accepted it if iPad 2/iPhone 4 were never granted iOS 5? What, it didn't come with the system...

    I find it somewhat irritating they they withhold software features like this for marketing purposes, but its their exclusive product so there's not much that can be done about it.
     
  8. striker33 macrumors 65816

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  9. DS3 macrumors 6502a

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    And yet somehow it magically works on the iPad 2 jailbroken! Not having the microphone is not exclusive to no reason to believe it couldn't run dictation. But thanks.

    And ok, the iPad 3 does have the microphone. Where's the full Siri? Same thing.
     
  10. Lukeyy19 macrumors 6502a

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    they released a new product, and it has new features, that's how it works, if they gave all the new features to the old devices, the new devices would have less selling points, you bought an iPad 2 without any Siri implementation, why do you feel you now deserve it?
     
  11. GoGa macrumors regular

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    I can totally see where you are coming from but dictation is a feature of the new iPad, and the new iPad only. Just because its software doesn't meant all devices should get it. It's a bit like saying apple should let me send them my iPad 2, add a retina display and send it back to me free of charge.
     
  12. DS3, Mar 12, 2012
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    DS3 macrumors 6502a

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    You don't think there is any expectation of receiving software updates?

    Hell they could sell the update, but forcing an entire new hardware to receive something your hardware is capable of isn't the slightest bit off to you?

    And again, then would you have no issue with them charging for iOS major upgrades like they used to years ago? It just seemed like we had moved past that stage and thus created an expectation you consider when purchasing.
     
  13. Stetrain macrumors 68040

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    I think that's mostly because Apple is having a hard enough time as it is keeping up with all of the 4S's trying to use the Siri service. If they can't handle the load of all the iPhones doing Siri lookups, why would they add a few million iPads?
     
  14. JohnDoe98 macrumors 68020

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    You don't know how capable the hardware is. Some people claim the CPU was the limiting factor for siri, others claim the chips needed some special voice thingy.

    Just because something works when hacked doesn't mean it works to Apple's satisfaction. Unless you can prove the iPhone 4, or iPad 2, can achieve the exact same performance through voice dictation and siri, you seem to be ignoring important differences between the hardware of the products.
     
  15. Icemilk macrumors member

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    Sorry, did I miss something? Extra mic?
     
  16. DS3, Mar 12, 2012
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    While I certainly still have extreme doubt that Siri doesn't run to satisfaction on the iPad 2 (based on people who have used it for weeks) and the iPad 3 obviously either can or could have without significant cost, I won't deny its a possibility. The servers as well, I hadn't considered those. While Im sure they could upgrade them to allow for it, that does assign a significant extra cost to the support and thus is not simply a software update sent out. That factor changes my mind a bit.

    But I still don't see how its ridiculous to have an expectation of software upgrades when the hardware can support it. For a moment lets just say that it could work. What the current consumer electronic market? My 360's UI bares no resemblance to when I purchased it. PS3 far improved. Windows significant improvement. Virtually every major device I have.

    What was the last iOS feature prior to Siri that Apple did so with? All upgrades were made available immediately, initially at a cost and then later free unless the system didn't have the ram to support which was obvious by the bare minimum devices having some issues running it. When you buy a product, you take into account the company when doing so. When I bought the iPad 2, Apple had not held back any features they could offer via software for years that I can remember so I had something of an expectation regarding that right or wrong. And of course, we've got iOS5 and such.

    But doesn't the logic apply to iOS5 too? Should we have had no expectation for that? I couldn't wirelessly synch when I bought my iPad 2, why should I be able to now!

    Obviously its within their power to decide to do so, and its not like I want to freaking boycott them over it - I'll be lining up for the 3. But you guys really think its just absurd to be a bit irritated by this new practice? Ignoring the hardware/server issue, just the concept of software features upgrades for old devices.
     
  17. Hoggles, Mar 12, 2012
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    That shouldn't be a problem for a company as rich Apple. I think it's just marketing.

    Android has had voice dictation for almost all the phones functions for years now. Text, Search, email, tasks, reminders, apps, web, maps...you name it. Since Gingerbread & before, it's been there. Apple is making a big deal about voice dictation but they are only barely catching up to Google on total voice command. I found that announcement on the 7th to be kind of...well...it's bout time...ya know. I even recall my old Blackberry had many voice activated features.

    It's awesome to see Apple finally catching up on this. I love using voice commands on my Sensation with ICS. Makes t sooo much easier when busy with your hands :)

    Can't wait for the 16th :) :) :) :)
     
  18. sekazi macrumors 6502

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    Siri requires a internet connection. Without it you get no response. The iPad is not a iPhone and comes in WiFi only models so it would be pointless to add Siri when it will only work when connected to WiFi.
     
  19. DS3 macrumors 6502a

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    You also can't use Safari without the internet, lets get rid of Safari! And Mail too!

    I'm on WiFi 99% of the time I use the iPad... and obviously there IS a 3G version so many users could have it all times anyway. Even those who only use it on WiFi when at home.. still useful. And when they arn't its not like its hurting anything.
     
  20. Buildbright macrumors 6502a

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    If you want it? Its $499 at the Apple Store on March 16th.
     
  21. IndianBird macrumors 6502a

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    Best post in the entire discussion.
     
  22. 1080p macrumors 68020

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    I don't recall Apple ever advertising that the iPad 2 would ever have built in dictation in any of it's promotional material. I don't see where they confused anyone or ripped anyone off. They did announce a brand new iPad model that is capable of the feature you request.

    That's like getting pissed off if you had bought a 2012 Mustang without heated seats, then Ford makes a 2013 model that comes with heated seats standard. Would it be ok for you to march into a dealership and demanding they add it to your car for free.
     
  23. whtrbt7 macrumors 6502a

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    Just use Dragon Go and Dragon Dictation. Same company, slightly different tech. Best of all, it's all done locally on the iPad.
     
  24. master-ceo macrumors 65816

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    Same here. This is news to me. Where is it located?
     
  25. firstapple macrumors 6502a

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    It's also possible that Apple could still add the feature in a future software update. However, I don't believe it's correct for you to expect that Apple give you this feature as you aren't entitled to it (meaning that when you purchased iPad 2 it was never an advertised feature).
     

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