Your point being? I didn't say that it is exclusive to the touch.
Enlighten me, please (We already established that this isn't true if the iPod is set to manual mode).
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iPod touch Which is better? Zune HD or I-Pod touch
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Your point being? I didn't say that it is exclusive to the touch.
Enlighten me, please (We already established that this isn't true if the iPod is set to manual mode).
Ideology does not mean usability.
Other ideology such as communism works in theory too.
I buy physical CDs and they work on my iPod and iPhone, without DRM. OMG, it's sooooo DRM-infested.
Have you driven a Hyundai lately?
I wouldn't trade my Touch 3G with Zune HD. But, I would drive a Hyundai Genesis and keep my savings.
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if ur looking for pure sound quality then go for the cowon S3 or the S9. the one w/ the oled screen. the zune hd has better sound quality and a better screen as well as beefier graphics. but it requires the zune software which doesn't run on macs. I've used it and it isn't nearly as nice as the itunes software. the ipod touch is the do it all. it has apps, internet access and does music / vids okay on the sound quality.
I think the availability of the App Store makes the iPod Touch the clear winner. But like everything else on this forum, it's my sole opinion and there's really no point debating it.
Poorest analogy I've ever read. I have both a 2nd (and a 1st) gen Touch. I also have all three versions of the Zunes including the Zune HD.
The Zune HD provides me with the best music experience of any device I own. You'll need to own one to know why. Photos and videos are also far better looking (blacker black/higher contrast ratio) on the Zune HD's screen than the same videos look on my Touches. Add FM and HD radio for fun.
The Touch/iPhone has an app store, and wins for the million different things you can do with apps. I still don't pick it up for Music or Videos or Photo perusal.
Both have browsers. Both have music stores. The Zune HD is carved from a brick of aluminum and feels nicer in my hand than the Touch. Not sure exactly why. Maybe it's less slippery.
So which cars make good analogies? I'd call the Touch a Suburban. Load or tow anything you want with it. Get the 64gb 12 passenger version of you have a big family. It won't be the fastest or the prettiest car on the road. It's entertainment system will be satisfactory. Maintenance will be pricey, as will gas.
There are several cars a Zune HD could be. Not as spacious as a Touch. Not as versatile, yet. It does run apps, but there's no proof yet we'll ever have 100 of them to use. So something with a hatchback, and one hell of a sound/video system on board.
Don't get mad, please. Suburbans are a popular vehicle. They are just a little dated.
You could not have picked a more biased forum if you tried.
Most people here believe Microsoft=crap but every now and then Microsoft does put out a good product and then people here will not even acknowledge it.
I personally like the touch but on the other hand have never used the Zune.
Most people here believe Microsoft=crap but every now and then Microsoft does put out a good product and then people here will not even acknowledge it.
I personally like the touch but on the other hand have never used the Zune.
It's not biased to say that from a logical standpoint the Ipod touch/Iphone is much better. The Zune is an amazing piece of hardware, I have a Zune 80. However, with the Zune HD it has potential but the lack of apps and software is what kills it.
In a summary of all this, the ZuneHD and the iPod touch are ... too completely different products.
Microsoft still doesn't really have a definite plan for the ZuneHD. They know they were drastically (like 6 years or so) late the the PMP party so essentially they know they have no hope of ever really taking that market away from Apple. The Zune will continue on as a niche market to people who find its DAC appealing (music quality buffs.. me ..) and microsoft fanboy/techies (people who have an Xbox simply because its made by microsoft).
The biggest question on everyone's mind is, are they going to make it into a phone??? The oft rumored 'zune phone'..
Funny thing is a lot of people probably mistake'ed the device for a phone when it first came out and Microsoft very much hinted at the device as showing "third party manufactures" what could be done with windows mobile 7. Microsoft is still unwilling for some strange reason to just say screw it to third party manufactures and make their own devices like palm, apple and RIM does (the most successful people in the smart phone space currently)
Which leads to further questions.. What exactly is Microsoft doing?? These days on anything it seems as though the company moves at a snails pace. They recently decided (and finally in some respect) to expand the Zune brand into the Xbox with the Zune video store.
I mean Apple has a plan for the touch devices and its a very simple one. For people who don't go along with the iphone, phased out all other ipod devices and get this device in peoples hands as they will buy music and apps. (All sold at a 30% rate to apple).
The Zune on the the other hand is a device that sits on lala land until Microsoft will either decide to actually make it an iphone/touch challenger or finally can the project that probably doesn't even really make money.
Microsoft still doesn't really have a definite plan for the ZuneHD. They know they were drastically (like 6 years or so) late the the PMP party so essentially they know they have no hope of ever really taking that market away from Apple. The Zune will continue on as a niche market to people who find its DAC appealing (music quality buffs.. me ..) and microsoft fanboy/techies (people who have an Xbox simply because its made by microsoft).
The biggest question on everyone's mind is, are they going to make it into a phone??? The oft rumored 'zune phone'..
Funny thing is a lot of people probably mistake'ed the device for a phone when it first came out and Microsoft very much hinted at the device as showing "third party manufactures" what could be done with windows mobile 7. Microsoft is still unwilling for some strange reason to just say screw it to third party manufactures and make their own devices like palm, apple and RIM does (the most successful people in the smart phone space currently)
Which leads to further questions.. What exactly is Microsoft doing?? These days on anything it seems as though the company moves at a snails pace. They recently decided (and finally in some respect) to expand the Zune brand into the Xbox with the Zune video store.
I mean Apple has a plan for the touch devices and its a very simple one. For people who don't go along with the iphone, phased out all other ipod devices and get this device in peoples hands as they will buy music and apps. (All sold at a 30% rate to apple).
The Zune on the the other hand is a device that sits on lala land until Microsoft will either decide to actually make it an iphone/touch challenger or finally can the project that probably doesn't even really make money.
I would say as a music player it wins due to Zune Pass. But that is my preference. iPod Touch is still the best all around device though. But for just pure music, I would recommend Zune HD. I still hope for an iTunes Pass.
The touch is hardly comparable to the merc benz- it's a
mass produced item made with cheap non-durable-parts. If mercedes Benz cars were of a similar quality, everyone would be going Hyundai.
That said, I do own a touch and like but, but as with all mac products
made today, they aren't made to last long after their 1 yr warrenty expires x
You sure don't sound like if you like your ipod Touch.You are probably a pc user trying to be kool with a ipod Touch. Just to let u know mercedes benz is also a mass produced product as well.
I've been a sole mac owner since 2007. I have a MacBook, threw out my windows pc the day I got the mac, love leopard and snow leopard. I also own 3 iPods: and iPod nano, an iPod classic and and iPod touch.
I was simply being realistic, apple hardware isn't perfect, I've learnt that the hard way. But, my next computer will be a mac, mist likely an iMac. Why? Because apple software IS perfect (in my opinion). I love iPhone os, it's simple and easy to use, plus it looks good, and Im a massive fan of mac os x, preview, spaces, expose, fast start up and shut down. Windows has nothing it.
One thing I can tell you is, I will be purchasing a longer warrenty for my next mac, and I won't be ordering it online.
EDIT: Would just like to add-itunes is the BEST music/ media software manager. I seriously couldn't live without it. The itunes store is where I get my many podcasts, apps, some music AND catch up on a tv episode I may have missed (sure it costs $3 per ep but convenience is worth the price.
I could never change from ipod to zune, sony etc. because of itunes.
Apologies if my posts do seem too harsh on apple. I was trying to present a more fair view (ie apple isn't perfect, but they still make great stuff).
Oh, and no, I've never owned another mp3 player, prior to my ipod it was my sony cassette walkman and discman (up until 2005).
I agree with many of the things you have to say. As a Windows user for years and having worked in repair on and off I can tell you no matter what hardware breaks. Apple is no different from Dell, they both use similar hardware (Mass produced). Nothing can ever be perfect, Mercedes break as much as Honda's do. This is just a fact of nature. Like you said though, the OS is what makes the package for many.
WOW! i would like to thank everyone for all the comparisons and arguments it kept me laughing for hours! loved all the car input as well lol and the reason for not replying sooner is because my internet has been down (yes i know thats a long ass time for the net to be down) but oh well and whoever it was that goodbar in thier sc i did not steal it frm u i have used tht name for a about a year now lol