Which Macbook (Pro or Air) without dGPU?

[oldmacs]

I'm very happy with my 2012 non retina Macbook Pro - I know heaps of people who have bought them across the last 3 years and they have been very happy.

 

[oldmacs]

Told you it will be significant, companies don't issue warranty extensions for a small percentage of random failures, the cost is simply too high. We still have a 2011 and know the thermal profile well, 45C for heavy tasks, not even the 13" Retina can do this.........


Q-6

Agreed. It was/is a massive issue, it would have to be for Apple to actually recall. They didn't even recall the iBook G4 which had dodgy soldering that was prone to failing.

 

[Queen6]

That doesn't reflect my experience.
In this moment my 13" rMBP (early 2015 brand new and perfect) has 40°C of cpu temp while web browsing with a couple apps in background.

This is normal for a 13" Heavy tasks will push the 2011 15" into the high nineties with ease, nor have I ever observed a 15" cMBP idle below 40C unless it`s been modified or run in the fridge. Ever wondered why there are so many posts regarding the 15" MBP`s thermal performance?

Q-6

 

[Queen6]

Agreed. It was/is a massive issue, it would have to be for Apple to actually recall. They didn't even recall the iBook G4 which had dodgy soldering that was prone to failing.

Much will depend on the usage, and of course the consumer is in general more protected these days. What disappoints me is that Apple only replace failed logic boards with refurbished units that are very likely to be even more unreliable.

I also rather feel that Apple launch these extended warranty programs, to avoid being instructed to by a court of law, and is simply a mechanism to mitigate further losses...

Q-6

 

[Queen6]

Read again what I wrote, please.
Under 80°C for heavy task and always below 45°C for the rest of the time....

Small percentage you can't know: maybe it's 8%, and it means thousands and thousands of units, worth a warranty extension, but not a time bomb...

No sweat, just start pushing that dGPU and see what happens

Q-6

 

[Max(IT)]

This is normal for a 13" Heavy tasks will push the 2011 15" into the high nineties with ease, nor have I ever observed a 15" cMBP idle below 40C unless it`s been modified or run in the fridge. Ever wondered why there are so many posts regarding the 15" MBP`s thermal performance?

Q-6

this absolutely don't reflect the behavior of my MBP 15" ...
NEVER EVER seen it above 86°C at it ALWAYS idle at 36-38° C.
And Dude, I live in Rome, ambient temperature is never freezing......

No sweat, just start pushing that dGPU and see what happens

Q-6

Do you think Im a newbie ?
Apple user since 1989, I owned 5 MacBooks , 2 Minis and 2 iMacs in my life. Im using the dGPU regularly (mostly Handbrake and Aperture) and my MBP never pass the 86°C limit.
As I said, the thermal issue isn't related to every single MBP Late 11.

 

[Beliblis]

I'm very happy with my 2012 non retina Macbook Pro - I know heaps of people who have bought them across the last 3 years and they have been very happy.

13" or high-spec 15"? What kind of use?
13" = no dGPU
15" = 2 options: one with dGPU, one without dGPU

From my experience: when using a dGPU machine for intensive tasks, I highly recommend putting the laptop at an angle, to allow air circulation below the bottom case. And installing SMCfancontrol or something similar to crank up the fan speed.

2011 15" 2.5GHz Macbook Pro, placed flat on a wooden desk surface, without smcfancontrol, doing either video conversions or 3d rendering = temperatures well into the 90s degrees celsius. Even more so when ambient temperature is a bit higher (i.e. summer time).
Pretty much the same for my 2012 2.3GHz MacMini (with plenty of air space around it!). With newer Macbook Pro models ("U" type i5/i7), this may be different because the processor runs cooler.

Ever since my £1300-paperweight-experience, I keep a close eye on my MacMini's temperature. When I do video-conversions or 3d-renders, I crank up the fan speed using the "SMC fan control" extension (free).

I don't understand why Apple don't crank up the fan speed by standard. The moment a machine hits more than 90 degrees, I expect the fans to run at maximum speed (especially when it's connected to mains power). But they don't.
Apple want small, light and quiet machines. And they do so at the expense of longevity.

Regarding the numbers of failed machines: even if it was "only" 40k machines failing, that's 40k too many. For the 2011 iMac, Apple had a replacement program because of dGPU failing:
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT203787
Bravo!

For the MBP, they didn't offer any solution until 4 months after the class action suit. Appalling!

As for me: once bitten twice shy.
To me, the 2012 i7 MacMini is a good desktop solution: no dGPU, yet powerful. I do a lot of work in Cinema 4d. dGPU would be nice for texturing, but isn't too important because Cinema 4d doesn't support GPU rendering anyway.