Which RTX is = 5500M

[casperes1996]

I wish people would stop with these gpu comparison posts.

if you’re THAT concerned about gaming performance you need to buy a windows desktop end of story.

To be fair, GPUs are about more than games, and the OP wanted a comparison to a Quadro, which is not a gaming oriented cards. Knowing about gaming performance however can also inform other performance characteristics of the GPU relevant to things like Blender renders.
Plus some people want a Mac for many good reasons, and would like to play a game too every now and then as well. That's not invalid even though there are tools more appropriate for the job.

 

[1198271]

People who had paid over 2K+ for the MBP deserve better GPU than 5500M. Nvidia Quadro RTX 3000 laptop can be found and is almost 50% faster with an identical tdp which is more appropriate for content creators.
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I wish people would stop with these gpu comparison posts.

if you’re THAT concerned about gaming performance you need to buy a windows desktop end of story.

No. People won't stop publishing GPU comparison post if it found to be inferior.

 

[Pro7913]

People who had paid over 2K+ for the MBP deserve better GPU than 5500M. Nvidia Quadro RTX 3000 laptop can be found and is almost 50% faster with an identical tdp which is more appropriate for content creators.

Quadro RTX 3000 has TGP 80W while Radeon Pro 5500M has TGP 50W. Do you really think that you can put RTX 3000 on MacBook Pro with a 100W power limitation? Also, Apple won't gonna use Nvidia again because of what they had done before.

 

[1198271]

Quadro RTX 3000 has TGP 80W while Radeon Pro 5500M has TGP 50W. Do you really think that you can put RTX 3000 on MacBook Pro with a 100W power limitation? Also, Apple won't gonna use Nvidia again because of what they had done before.

Maybe but Apple can put a lower power or less CPU core and Quadro RTX 3000 without exceeding 100w.

 

[sebpettersson]

From where do you have the numbers? I would a same a driver discrepancy. The Pro drivers are not targetted gaming and usually perform worse in gaming tasks on equivalent hardware, so if a pro driver was used that could be part of the explanation.
I did in fact do research, as I read the specifications for the two GPUs.

Is it possible to use the gaming drivers on the Pro cards? If so, it would be interesting to see some benchmark comparisons.

 

[leman]

All this is over my head. I’m just wondering if the 5500M would be a better performer than my RTX 5000 Max-Q variant.

No it won’t. The Radeon Pro 5500M is slightly faster than Nvidia Quadro T2000, but the RTX series are a completely different performance category.

 

[CM_1986]

Here’s why I have trouble staying with MBP’s for high end work.

if I take my P53 that has a RTX5000 Max Q and hook up an external 4K ultra display to it.....I have. Beast of a machine with a color accuracy setup identical to a MBP.

I often do not understand why this is not done more often.

I can only relate it to how we Apple guy can be so attracted to the build and firm factor of the MBP.

I hit a mark of 15914 in the FireStrike benchmark, which I would consider pretty respectable. I would be curious to see what the 5500M hits.

 

[maflynn]

Nvidia Quadro RTX 3000 laptop can be found and is almost 50% faster with an identical tdp which is more appropriate for content creators.

And the battery performance is a fraction of what the MBP can handle. While I'm dismayed that apple uses AMD, the fact remains they chose to provide a balance of power and power consumption.

It's true, I can spend the same amount on a Razer Blade, and get lightning fast GPU performance, but the battery lasts only 4 maybe 5 hours.

 

[CM_1986]

And the battery performance is a fraction of what the MBP can handle. While I'm dismayed that apple uses AMD, the fact remains they chose to provide a balance of power and power consumption.

It's true, I can spend the same amount on a Razer Blade, and get lightning fast GPU performance, but the battery lasts only 4 maybe 5 hours.

I feel like most of us are within a power source and most of the time are constantly on AC power. Again, not trying to make it a blanket statement but I do not see the issue with an unbalance power consumption to performance ratio in a professional machine.

 

[maflynn]

I feel like most of us are within a power source and most of the time are constantly on AC power. Again, not trying to make it a blanket statement but I do not see the issue with an unbalance power consumption to performance ratio in a professional machine.

I'm not disagreeing, but one of the major reasons for the MBP is the 11 hour battery - I hear that often enough here at MacRumors. Mention a competing product, it stands good reasons someone will post that the battery performance is subpar in comparison.

I do think the 11 hour battery is a compelling reason to buy a MBP

 

[CM_1986]

I'm not disagreeing, but one of the major reasons for the MBP is the 11 hour battery - I hear that often enough here at MacRumors. Mention a competing product, it stands good reasons someone will post that the battery performance is subpar in comparison.

I do think the 11 hour battery is a compelling reason to buy a MBP

I do see that side of it, and I think that is what makes MBP's so appealing to creatives. Creatives in general are drawn to the industrial design of the MBP. They are also drawn to the battery power as a lot of creatives do travel as well. I would think that is just the nature of video editors etc to an extent.

I think for machines like mine, a workstation class ThinkPad P53, which is just about as opposite of a MBP as you could get is appealing to engineers. I honestly do not know of any other discipline that relies on the use of windows based software and hardware (optimized anyway) than the engineering fields.

You are going against the grain trying to do it.

 

[maflynn]

I honestly do not know of any other discipline that relies on the use of windows based software and hardware (optimized anyway) than the engineering fields.

I'm a server admin, and I rely on windows ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I know I can run stuff on macOS, but it's clearly optimized for windows. I'm sure there are plenty of fields that use PCs and prefer that over Macs. There's a reason why Windows has a 90% market share.

I'm not knocking macs, or saying they're inadequate but rather pointing out there's plenty of use cases where a PC makes more sense.

 

[CM_1986]

I'm a server admin, and I rely on windows ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I know I can run stuff on macOS, but it's clearly optimized for windows. I'm sure there are plenty of fields that use PCs and prefer that over Macs. There's a reason why Windows has a 90% market share.

I'm not knocking macs, or saying they're inadequate but rather pointing out there's plenty of use cases where a PC makes more sense.

Yes of course servers.

I will say it has been like going back to the past moving from a MBP to a P Series ThinkPad. The refinement alone whether it's the way text is displayed on web pages etc..

You feel like you are almost taking a step back but have to remind yourself whats underneath your keyboard.

I think HiDPi screens rot your brain! For me it caused all kinds of scaling issues to when I was working in Windows Bootcamp.It also made me see any other screen as crappy quality. I do not like to feel like that.

Windows just isn't under the HiDPi world for many cases.

 

[Freyqq]

According to Timespy benchmarks, the 5500M is about the speed of a Nvidia 1650 for notebooks. Regardless, if you need high-end GPU performance then you should look into an eGPU or a desktop.

 

[CM_1986]

In benchmarks if I have a nvidia control panel with the slider you can move from performance to quality and the middle being balances what would be the correct setting to have it in for benchmarks?
How are the standards usually compared? I would imagine there is a set way to do it for consistency in benchmarks. I’m seeing about a 500 point swing just going from quality to the middle (balanced) on the slider.

 

[leman]

if I take my P53 that has a RTX5000 Max Q and hook up an external 4K ultra display to it.....I have. Beast of a machine with a color accuracy setup identical to a MBP.

You are correct. But P53 is a different laptop category. I can totally understand if P53 with an external monitor is a better fit for you purpose.

I can only relate it to how we Apple guy can be so attracted to the build and firm factor of the MBP.

It's about practical issues. I need a powerful portable machine that I can also use efficiently as a laptop. The MBP just fits the bill.

 

[maflynn]

Windows just isn't under the HiDPi world for many cases.

Scaling in windows is definitely inferior and while I'm ok with how things work on my 4k Thinkpad X1E, I totally see where windows falls down and where macOS excels.

To be honest, though the images on my 4k laptop are sharper then my 2012 MBP especially using some of my apps. For instance, I'll use GoToMyPC to remote into my work computer and it looks so much better in windows then macOS. You can blame the company for not providing a better optimized version of the app, but regardless of that, it does look better.

I find Excel and other office docs work and look better in windows. For whatever reason my spreadsheets have to be zoomed to at least 150% on the mac but work well and look great at 100% in windows ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[casperes1996]

It's incredible how quickly this debate became a lot more sensible around the point, Maflynn came in. I think it's a good conclusion to reach; Yes, there are valid uses for all sorts of various tools and they achieve different balances. Though out of curiosity, which tools in the world of server administration are better on Windows, @maflynn ? I assume it's specifically a Windows server, because when interfacing with Linux servers, I feel the Mac is much nicer, since you have bash at your fingertips, and basically any Linux software can compile natively for the Mac and already exists as a ready to brew binary with Home-brew.

Efficiency wise, the Radeon Pro 5500M is really quite amazing, and it's geometry performance is a massive step above Vega, whilst still delivering great computer performance, which, as always, Final Cut and Resolve really know how to utilise, still outperforming much faster hardware running Premiere.
And as we all know, Apple do like video editing .

Is it possible to use the gaming drivers on the Pro cards? If so, it would be interesting to see some benchmark comparisons.

First of all I want to clarify the driver thing relates to Windows. I think macOS has one driver set for both. - Though not actually sure about that one.

Also I haven't tested in practise that Bootcamp drivers gets you the Pro drivers on Windows, but since it's branded Radeon Pro I would assume so. - But no I don't think you can put gaming drivers on there, unless bootcampdrivers has made a modded one. To be fair, he probably has though... He usually does that...
AMD released a few cards with official driver switching support, like the Radeon 7, but it's not usually the way it's done.

 

[maflynn]

@maflynn ? I assume it's specifically a Windows server, b

Yes, sorry for my omission, I manage a number of windows servers, various enterprise applications and deal with people's PC issues. All of which is seemingly better suited with a PC. I've used a Mac handling these duties for years, but like a frog in lukewarm water, I hadn't realized who much more efficient I am after I switched to a PC ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

One size doesn't fit all, but my point was really just trying to say there's plenty of use cases where windows makes sense. conversely, there's plenty of use cases where Macs make more sense

For me, while I prefer macOS, I decided to pick the best tool for the job

 

[casperes1996]

One size doesn't fit all, but my point was really just trying to say there's plenty of use cases where windows makes sense. conversely, there's plenty of use cases where Macs make more sense

For me, while I prefer macOS, I decided to pick the best tool for the job

Completely correct. I mostly don't venture into the Windows world, staying on Unix platforms, so I can easily interface with everything using my Mac and it's all nice, but there have been times when I've pulled out a Windows install. Like a program we used for chemistry once, which allowed you to visualise interactions between atoms and molecules and such... Later created a wine-wrapper for it to run on macOS. Less nice of an experience running through Wine, but since I didn't use Windows for anything other than that program in that time, it was still less of a hassle. But if you rely on a number of programs like that, it's a better solution to just use the best suited platform.

 

[Pro7913]

Maybe but Apple can put a lower power or less CPU core and Quadro RTX 3000 without exceeding 100w.

That wont gonna happen.

 

[anticipate]

24 CUs in 5500 FWIW btw.

 

[1198271]

That wont gonna happen.

No one alludes that gonna happen.

 

[-narcan-]

I wish people would stop with these gpu comparison posts.

What about CPU and SSD benchmarks , should those be stopped too ?

 

[Pro7913]

No one alludes that gonna happen.

1. Nvidia GPU tends to consume more power than AMD. Even 1060 mobile version itself consume near 100W.

2. Apple does not like Nvidia in every way. Apple blocked Nvidia GPU support but that's not the biggest point.

Nvidia does not allow to modify their own GPU and software(CUDA) It's impossible to optimize for Mac system cause Nvidia does not allow that while Apple wishes to customize their GPU. Most AMD GPUs from Macs are custom versions only for Mac. I highly doubt that Nvidia will let Apple to modify their hardware and software. This is why Apple left Nvidia.