I expect most people living in the US would be horrified if they understood how hard it sucks to be a "US person" outside the US.
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White House Hits Back at Apple's Massive EU Fine
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I expect most people living in the US would be horrified if they understood how hard it sucks to be a "US person" outside the US.
OTOH, most never leave the US so it isn't relevant to them...
Same here.
That's been baked into their DNA since Jobs' tenure there, given his wanting to control the entire experience.
They are a company, so get the maximum possible ROI is part of it, although I do think they take privacy more seriously than many companies.
I like that I can delete date and I don’t mind the privacy control. That’s one of the things Apple prioritizes too and they also have the ask not to track pop up. I can see your predicament and that really should be addressed but EU can’t make laws based on the US citizens and their laws. They make laws for EU citizens.
You find no issue with the US prioritizes their companies esp when they give 500billion in investments but become upset when the Eu prioritizes their companies.
I agree some of this is redistribution of some wealth from Apple to EU. EU is basically saying we built the economies in this area like a hmm platform and so we control it. We build the roads highways networks power systems that make your devices work here and people able to afford them. It’s like our platform and API, we deserve a cut. Let’s say 30%? 🤣.
Nonsense. That would be "legitimate grounds for processing".
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Not sure I want to travel abroad these days. Someone might confuse me as someone who supports or condones what is happening in the US. And who knows, at some point Trump might block reentry to anyone who isn't a registered republican.
I said nothing about Trump. The EU has been protectionist for some time.
Not only that, the thresholds, compliances, laws, problematic findings happen a decade and a half plus later, conveniently at all time highs for the involved companies.
Let’s us all remember that the iPhone got introduced in June 2007. The AppStore pretty much as we know it happened a year later I think.
But nobody has an issue for so long.
In an article that’s very interesting: https://open.substack.com/pub/hardc...utm_medium=web&utm_campaign=posts-open-in-app
it explains a lot of that and goes back in history how it has happened before over the years, even Windows getting hit with petty things like including certain video codecs in the EU was problematic.
The thresholds they choose to make a company be hit with the compliance laws seem to be carefully chosen to gather said companies (Apple, Meta, Google, etc) somewhat conveniently too.
The problem with the U.S. of A. is:
They believe their laws and values are shared by everybody - and want to impose them worldwide (rather than only on their turf).
Regulation of competition focuses on important markets - and markets that lack competition.
Smartphones weren't nearly as important platforms 15 years ago than they are today.
Also, the market for such platforms and application stores was more competitive (e.g. with Nokia/Symbian and Windows Phone being important market participants).
Lawmakers and competition regulators aren't going to regulate mechanical typewriters today either - even though there's arguably been a lack of competition for these devices lately.
True to an extent, but if you want to business in the US , companies must follow US laws, just as US companies must follow EU laws in the EU.
The challenge is the internet has blurred the lines over where business is conducted.
The Internet has blurred a lot of things. The problem is that when it started replacing standard telecom, media, and commerce regulation did not keep up to ensure standards and to mitigate abuses. Here in the US Congress just basically let it all go and look what we got. We had a little net neutrality here for awhile but that has been torpedoed again. But that is just the tip of the iceberg.
I agree wholeheartedly. And then we wonder why people become hostile toward us, as if we’ve done nothing wrong. ☹️
According to MAGA we CAN'T do anything wrong and to say otherwise or apologize for anything is "unamerican". LOL.
It's actually a lot better than the Democrat world view, which is America is always wrong about everything.
That is only logical, but the EU/EC is just greedy here. But even worse, the DMA isn't really giving us citizens more choice. What the EU could have done is limit the fee Apple takes of each purchase on the App Store. That is the real problem. One App Store is what most consumers want. App developers just want to sell and pay a low fee.
The things EU/EC currently is doing just making things worse and more expensive.
Absolutely true.
We have a special blend of narcissism down here where we think our way is the best and everybody should have exactly what our way is.
If Apple were actually charging a reasonable 5% or something, none of this would be happening
Did I say "Republican"? No, I didn't and I am a lifelong independent. I said MAGA, which in the last 8 years has essentially assimilated and destroyed what was left of the real center right GOP. Meanwhile the Dems, in spite of the ridiculous RW propaganda and as inept as they may be, are still the center left party they always have been.
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Apple is a private corporation and can charge what it wants and has been charging essentially the same thing for many years. The DMA is as bad a regulation as was ever written.
The dems have swung all the way to the left, which imo is why they lost the election.
Companies in free, competitive markets can.
They have - and that’s an indication that the market isn’t competitive - particularly given its increase in size.
(It does not go without saying that we’re talking digital intermediary services here - not hardware devices).
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Nope, other than a few party notables they have done no such thing. It just seems that way when MAGA is so far to the right of the right field foul line, essentially out of bounds of the regular political field.
I disagree. The dems have swung way over and that’s why they lost the election.
It’s a competitive market. There was no finding Apple acted illegally
I used to pay 25 cents per gallon of gas. Now it’s $3.50. Are you saying the oil and gas industry isn’t competitive? Do anywhere the price stays the same or goes up there is no competitive market?
I disagree with your premise.
Yes, there was:
“the European Commission found that Apple breached its anti-steering obligation under the Digital Markets Act”
Prices for oil products depend on factor prices (e.g. crude oil), taxes.
Thanks for providing a great example.
Because the oil price largely is subject to price fixing by a multinational cartel.
And the U.S. has been investigating domestic producers for colluding with them.
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