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As I mentioned up thread, how bad stateside reporting is with China. Trump is dangling bait in front of China: if you come to the negotiating table, I will reduce the tariffs, but not before you do. In the meantime, he put a 3500% tariff on solar panels. This at the request of the domestic solar panel industry, which has been screwed over by subsidized solar panels from China, and relabeling to get around tariffs that had already been set. The Chinese are in trouble. They don't want to come to the negotiating table and lose face, but the domestic situation in China is starting to threaten the CCP's power.

Nope. They can afford to wait and are watching the dollar tank and people dumping treasury bonds. I expect once the US financiers customers have lost all their money and absorbed the large chunk of the risk, that they will start exerting pressure on the administration. Last time they exerted pressure someone fell off a yacht. There are people out there who are much much bigger sharks than the orange man.

China just has to watch Trump shooting his toes off.
 
Pure wumao; And Radio Free Asia isn't, how about the many, diverse English language news services in Taiwan? There is The China Show, the two presenters lived and worked at what is called, in China, "Bái hóuzi", white foreigners who worked in advertising and English language teaching. For 14 years, they speak and read Standard Chinese fluently. They escaped, one with his Chinese wife, who is a Doctor and was pregnant, barely ahead of the Chinese police. They still have deep connections in the country. These two sounded the alarm on COVID-19 3 months before it became generally known in the West.

The UK never integrated its economy into the EU. The Pound Sterling was still the official currency of the UK, the Euro was an alternate currency. Because of this independence, Brussels could demand payment for programs on the continent, the UK often refused, Brussels tried to fine the UK for various things, and the UK told them Stick it where the sun doesn't shine. This is the reason why Apple's European HQ is at Battersea Power Station in London. Across the British Isles, Apple employs 550,000 people.

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So, not only do you show you’re heavily reliant on YouTube, but on two American clowns who used to ride around China being obnoxious, breaking laws left, right and centre and creating stories to make themselves look smart. I’m familiar with those two motorbiking wasters and so glad to hear the Chinese police finally threw them out, possibly around 2010 when they cleared out a load of other alcoholics, druggies and visa violators. They were smug, irritating embarrassments with superiority complexes and as I remember one of them was rightly banged up for while. Well, it was obvious your knowledge of China was secondhand and superficial and you’ve just handed me the evidence on a plate. The nice picture of Battersea power station proves what exactly? Your first post on UK and Brussels was incoherent and this additional ramble just leaves one asking ‘what on earth is he on about?’ What was the point you were trying to make? Preferably in your own words without YouTube cut and paste.
 
The purpose of the fine is to discourage behavior against EU law.

This is generally why average citizens follow the speed limit or refrain from murdering each other - the punishments for those behaviors serve to discourage them.

If you want to discourage behavior against EU law, just forbid the product to be sold in the EU until the problem is fixed. If the company wants to sell in the EU, it will be fixed quickly.

In the US, myself and many other people think that fines (speeding, etc.) are used primarily as a way of raising revenue. I doubt that I can be convinced that the EU fines on Apple are not used primarily for raising revenue.
 
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Apple's $570 million fine from the EU has triggered a sharp rebuke from the White House, which called the fine a form of economic extortion, Reuters reports.

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The fine was announced on Wednesday by the European Commission, following a formal investigation into Apple's compliance with the bloc's Digital Markets Act (DMA), a landmark piece of legislation aimed at curbing the market dominance of so-called "gatekeeper" companies. According to the Commission, Apple violated the DMA by restricting developers from informing users about alternative payment options outside the App Store and by preventing the distribution of iOS apps through competing app marketplaces.

Speaking to Reuters, a spokesperson for the White House condemned the EU's actions, signaling growing transatlantic tensions over regulation of U.S. technology firms:

Apple said it plans to appeal the decision. The company called it "another example of the commission unfairly targeting the company" with actions that are "bad for the privacy and security of our users." The penalties represent approximately 0.1% of each company's annual revenue, which is significantly below the potential maximum fine of 10% allowed under the DMA.

The ruling comes amid ongoing trade negotiations between the EU and the U.S., which could potentially add another layer of complexity to transatlantic tech regulations.

Note: Due to the political or social nature of the discussion regarding this topic, the discussion thread is located in our Political News forum. All forum members and site visitors are welcome to read and follow the thread, but posting is limited to forum members with at least 100 posts.

Article Link: White House Hits Back at Apple's Massive EU Fine
https://www.macrumors.com/2025/04/24/white-house-hits-back-at-eu-fine/
Economic extortion! I actually laughed out loud as opposed to a LOL.
 
If you want to discourage behavior against EU law, just forbid the product to be sold in the EU until the problem is fixed. If the company wants to sell in the EU, it will be fixed quickly.

In the US, myself and many other people think that fines (speeding, etc.) are used primarily as a way of raising revenue. I doubt that I can be convinced that the EU fines on Apple are not used primarily for raising revenue.

If you forbid the customers from obtaining a product they rely on that is by definition anti-competitive. So they fine them.
 
As I mentioned up thread, how bad stateside reporting is with China. Trump is dangling bait in front of China: if you come to the negotiating table, I will reduce the tariffs, but not before you do. In the meantime, he put a 3500% tariff on solar panels. This at the request of the domestic solar panel industry, which has been screwed over by subsidized solar panels from China, and relabeling to get around tariffs that had already been set. The Chinese are in trouble. They don't want to come to the negotiating table and lose face, but the domestic situation in China is starting to threaten the CCP's power.
Except Trump cut his tariffs because china didn’t budge.
 
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As I mentioned up thread, how bad stateside reporting is with China. Trump is dangling bait in front of China: if you come to the negotiating table, I will reduce the tariffs, but not before you do. In the meantime, he put a 3500% tariff on solar panels. This at the request of the domestic solar panel industry, which has been screwed over by subsidized solar panels from China, and relabeling to get around tariffs that had already been set. The Chinese are in trouble. They don't want to come to the negotiating table and lose face, but the domestic situation in China is starting to threaten the CCP's power.
Trump is panicking. Why do I say that, because he’s pouring out lies and disinformation. He claims he’s done 200 deals with the 194 countries in the World. He hasn’t. He’s imposed blanket tariffs and to him that is the deal done. He’s misleading the gullible, mostly inside the USA. He claims, with reference to tariffs, Xi has called him. Beijing denies this and around the world, including leading news outlets in the USA, they believe Beijing. So, Trump needlessly lies during an interview and once again proves he is a liar. The President of the USA is a liar and when the World decides who to trust between Xi and Trump, the World believes Beijing. Right across the board including recent allies, the World believes Beijing. They trust Beijing in this matter. It’s worth repeating because it’s fundamental to future alliances. Let that sink in. The World, including leading American Newsrooms, trust that Beijing is telling the truth. In other words. The USA has hit rock bottom in terms of TRUST.
 
Trump is panicking. Why do I say that, because he’s pouring out lies and disinformation. He claims he’s done 200 deals with the 194 countries in the World. He hasn’t. He’s imposed blanket tariffs and to him that is the deal done. He’s misleading the gullible, mostly inside the USA. He claims, with reference to tariffs, Xi has called him. Beijing denies this and around the world, including leading news outlets in the USA, they believe Beijing. So, Trump needlessly lies during an interview and once again proves he is a liar. The President of the USA is a liar and when the World decides who to trust between Xi and Trump, the World believes Beijing. Right across the board including recent allies, the World believes Beijing. They trust Beijing in this matter. It’s worth repeating because it’s fundamental to future alliances. Let that sink in. The World, including leading American Newsrooms, trust that Beijing is telling the truth. In other words. The USA has hit rock bottom in terms of TRUST.
True…as a European, I know nobody who trusts Trump and his US policies. Citizens, politicians, media, companies…byebye Trump…and (unfortunately), thereby …byebye USA.
 
If you want to discourage behavior against EU law, just forbid the product to be sold in the EU until the problem is fixed. If the company wants to sell in the EU, it will be fixed quickly.
I see two problems with this approach. 1) It does nothing to address the products already sold. 2) If the product is a service--Apple's Appstore for instance--it would impact people who already bought the iPhone and is using Apple's services. They'd be in quite the pickle, wouldn't they?

In essences, the law would harm those it's trying to protect. It's like shooting the kneecaps of the people to keep them from leaving the safety of a shelter.
 
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Trump is panicking. Why do I say that, because he’s pouring out lies and disinformation. He claims he’s done 200 deals with the 194 countries in the World. He hasn’t. He’s imposed blanket tariffs and to him that is the deal done. He’s misleading the gullible, mostly inside the USA. He claims, with reference to tariffs, Xi has called him. Beijing denies this and around the world, including leading news outlets in the USA, they believe Beijing. So, Trump needlessly lies during an interview and once again proves he is a liar. The President of the USA is a liar and when the World decides who to trust between Xi and Trump, the World believes Beijing. Right across the board including recent allies, the World believes Beijing. They trust Beijing in this matter. It’s worth repeating because it’s fundamental to future alliances. Let that sink in. The World, including leading American Newsrooms, trust that Beijing is telling the truth. In other words. The USA has hit rock bottom in terms of TRUST.
Exactly. And it only took two months to teach the rest of the world that they cant trust anything we say because we are four years away from potentially breaking any deal, including one negotiated and written by the same president in a previous term (Mexico/Canada). Even our longest allies and partners would be foolish to trust anything we say long term because Trump has proven that we cant be relied on.
 
Exactly. And it only took two months to teach the rest of the world that they cant trust anything we say because we are four years away from potentially breaking any deal, including one negotiated and written by the same president in a previous term (Mexico/Canada). Even our longest allies and partners would be foolish to trust anything we say long term because Trump has proven that we cant be relied on.
It’s not a good feeling to be distrusted and even resented. It’s becoming clear now how EU countries felt and must still feel toward Brexit UK. Instead of staying and fighting we walked away and turned our backs on allies within the EU. How I voted is secondary since I was part of an electorate and the result was our collective result. That’s how democracy works and I get impatient with the labels Brexiteer / Remainer because we are one electorate. Regaining some trust is possible and things are beginning to look better. Ironically Trump and his team have repelled in a way that’s shown us where we belong. USA could find a way back but it takes the silent majority to speak and act.
 
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The EU has a right to implement their own laws / fines but why is Apple fined based on its total earnings rather than the earnings it makes in the EU ?

US citizens living outside the US, including many born in the US or to US parents who in many cases are not even aware that they are considered citizens, are subjected to extremely burdensome reporting requirements. They must also pay US taxes on total earnings, even though many have not lived or worked in the US a single day of their lives.


The US invented this nonsense. I for one pour a beer and cheer for every penny that is clawed back.

Go EU!
 
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The EU has a right to implement their own laws / fines but why is Apple fined based on its total earnings rather than the earnings it makes in the EU ?
Apple got a break from the EU, a big break:

“Companies can be charged up to 10 percent of their annual global revenue for DMA violations, and up to 20 percent for repeat offenses. … The fines announced today are below the maximum penalties of around $16 billion for Meta and $39 billion for Apple based on 2024 earnings.”
 
I see two problems with this approach. 1) It does nothing to address the products already sold. 2) If the product is a service--Apple's Appstore for instance--it would impact people who already bought the iPhone and is using Apple's services. They'd be in quite the pickle, wouldn't they?

In essences, the law would harm those it's trying to protect. It's like shooting the kneecaps of the people to keep them from leaving the safety of a shelter.

The DMA was never about protecting consumers. It was always about propping up competitors in the EU. Therein lies the sweet, beautiful irony. Apple’s success shows that there is a small yet not-insignificant number of people who do genuinely prefer a walled garden ecosystem, and the EU is determined to blast those walls wide open regardless.
 
Large corps, not just US ones, always try to flout the law by using tax havens and shell companies.
That gravy train had to end at some point.

The challenges is countries and states like to us etch same laws to bring in revenue and thus are complicate in the tax avoidance schemes.

They pay based on their economy size. What is the issue?

More than the point, NATO countries answered the US' call for the wars in the East and Afghanistan, and are part of an anti-piracy effort Arabian Sea area as well. People forget that in this ne transactional relationship of Trump's.

The EU courts upheld the finding that Ireland's tax haven for Apple was illegal (violated EU rules), and Apple had to pay Ireland the tax it would have owed without the special rules.

I personally think the rest of the EU was upset Ireland found a way to land Apple and was worried other companies would follow suit, costing them money.

I know plenty of people that have Carplay in their older cars, it doesn't require you to allow access to the cars internal systems.

Older cars were often much less integrated overall, I can add CarPlay in a friend's truck by swapping out a USB connect with a new factory one with the needed data lines and doing a software update. Newer cars are much more difficult, requiring special adaptor boxes, and as infotainment becomes more integrated with dashboards I suspect 3rd party solutions will be impossible.

It needs to go way further. I've preached forever that Apple, Google, and Microsoft need to leave all at once, with no warning. Let them figure out how to run their businesses with none of those three. They'd come back on their knees begging them to come back. Guaranteed.

Not happening, no sane company will forgo the revenue over some relatively minor, in the grand scope of things, legal issues. If they did leave, as alternatives crop up and become more commonplace, returning would be very difficult. If they did leave, warranty and support requirements would keep them locked in while competitors moved in, plus if you are Google, for example, and Apple leaves that opens up a whole new bunch of Pixel buyers, so why leave then?

(Side note: complying to the least extent possible allowed by law is not malicious compliance. Malicious compliance would be "fine, we're not doing any security screening on any app downloaded anywhere except the App Store, and if an EU citizen gets their accounts drained or their phone hosed, we're going to give them the phone number of their MEP and tell them to complain to the politicians who required opening up the walled garden to virus developers and scam artists."

Personally, I think Apple should simply let users side load and be on their own with regards to security if they use a third party app not from the App Store. If the App wants Apple to validate their app off of the App Store, pay Apple for it; otherwise go on your won and let the consumer decide. If an app is on both stores, only the one on the App Store gets tagged as a verified developer unless they pay for that service for non-App Store versions. That gives the develop and consumer free choice.

U.S. federal law is not applicable in Europe. Period.

True, but the US would expect an EU country to abide by US laws, if they due any business in the US, just as the EU does for US companies; which is why some banks won't open accounts for US citizens because then they must follow the US reporting laws or face penalties such as losing access to the US banking systems.

What gets sticky is when laws conflict and the internet is medium of communication; or when reporting requirements, for example, may run afoul of local laws.
 
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Personally, I think Apple should simply let users side load and be on their own with regards to security if they use a third party app not from the App Store. If the App wants Apple to validate their app off of the App Store, pay Apple for it; otherwise go on your won and let the consumer decide. If an app is on both stores, only the one on the App Store gets tagged as a verified developer unless they pay for that service for non-App Store versions. That gives the develop and consumer free choice.

Agree totally.
This is what I already do on the Mac basically.

It’s really hard to have a defense against this concept other than Apple insisting it have control, which of course is the exact problem to begin with.

They are control freaks, obsessed with obtaining every little cent of revenue they can harvest… and dressing it all up as “security & privacy”
 
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