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yeah that is what i am using right now, and I have to say other than this odd screen thing this laptop is absolutely wonderful: beautifully designed, lovely keyboard, the trackpad is an absolute delight to use (the 4 finger expose is simply incredible), it is near silent, and currently driving my ACD alongside the 13" screen!

a quick question for harperjones99, how subtle is the pulsing you talk of? What I am seeing seems so slight that im just wondering whether we are really talking about the same thing?

Because I see this on my MacBook Pro as well as my MacBook it would seem that even if one was to get a replacement the "problem" would persist. My Pro and MacBook are two entirely different model screens.

Yes, I really do like mine as well. Great to carry around, fast and nice new design
 
Because I see this on my MacBook Pro as well as my MacBook it would seem that even if one was to get a replacement the "problem" would persist. My Pro and MacBook are two entirely different model screens.

Yes, I really do like mine as well. Great to carry around, fast and nice new design

Sorry I only have a MBP 15" so can't compare. Yeah if I had the means to try a different one I would...but it would cost me a few hundred dollars just to try. The problem doesn't seem limited to one model across the line and people with MBs and MBPs have mentioned it.
 
I think they are attrociously ugly. They remind me of the old Clamshell iBooks. Which I always found so distasteful.

I'll be sticking to my Core Duo Macbook for now thank you!


(The Aluminum ones aren't too bad though)
 
I think they are attrociously ugly. They remind me of the old Clamshell iBooks. Which I always found so distasteful.

I'll be sticking to my Core Duo Macbook for now thank you!


(The Aluminum ones aren't too bad though)


Well at my local Apple Store, I heard a person comment when they saw it closed that it looked like a stepped on marshmallow.
 
Apple did that so the geniuses don't have to listen to a bunch of people saying their screen is bad because its not panel-x.

:D

Heh...well if they used consistent quality nobody would care what their model number is. I never needed to look it up on my old laptop because the screen was never flashing weird. I'd be happy if everything "just worked" as they tag line goes.

Every time someone says "geniuses" in reference to people who work at Apple stores I cringe. I not saying they are idiots or anything but it's just such a pretentious and annoying title. I don't know how they can call themselves that and not be embarrassed.
 
I really like the new Macbook a lot and if I was in the market for one it would be on my list. I wish it had a SD slot, but it's not a deal breaker for me.
It looks great and the 1 person I know who has one still no scratches. It still looks great.
 
My first impression...
1) I hated the rubber bottom
2) I didn't like the shape when it's closed- too rounded, the curved egdes

Is the rubber bottom very attractive to lint and dust? Obviously they were placed on tables at the Apple Store, but I'm wondering how they fare on other surfaces, like fabric. Maybe I'll rub my sleeve on the bottom next time to see...

I want a White Macbook, but think I'll wait until Apple gets rid of the ridiculous rubber bottom. Maybe next cycle, that is if Apple decides to still continue with the whites macs after this. Otherwise, I'll go with the MBPros, with are significantly less attractive in terms of body design.
 
Thank you so much for getting back to me

I wonder whether you would be able to let me know firstly your LCD panel model (can be found by going: system preferences => Displays => Colour => open profile, and then scroll down to where it says 'apple display make and model information'), and secondly try the different settings on this website?

According to Terminal, my LCD panel is B133EW04 (no codes in my System Profiler or in Color Profiles).

I definitely have flickering in 4a, and a bit less in 4b.
 
I want a White Macbook, but think I'll wait until Apple gets rid of the ridiculous rubber bottom. Maybe next cycle, that is if Apple decides to still continue with the whites macs after this. Otherwise, I'll go with the MBPros, with are significantly less attractive in terms of body design.

It's weird how people's opinions can differ so much. Would you rather have a slippery shiny bottom that scratches as soon as you put it down on your desk? It's not really rubber anyway, it's not soft or anything, it's just not as smooth and glossy as the rest of the computer. The top part attracts cat hair a lot, it's very electrostatic.
 
It's weird how people's opinions can differ so much. Would you rather have a slippery shiny bottom that scratches as soon as you put it down on your desk? It's not really rubber anyway, it's not soft or anything, it's just not as smooth and glossy as the rest of the computer. The top part attracts cat hair a lot, it's very electrostatic.

so true, personally I love the rubber bottom, it won't slide of my lap all the time like my old macbook pro did when I was travelling on coaches etc! As for the design, I absolutely love the thing, although I have found a scratch on the lid which I have absolutely no clue how it got there: AFAIK the laptop lid has not touched anything! Oh well, the old ones were no different!

Thanks for checking the display number, I checked another one out yesterday in my local apple store and despite having a different display, it still had the flicker, but on different pages to my one.

I have come to the conclusion that the website we have been using to test is demonstrating a flicker that is apparent on most LCD screens and thusly not an issue for eyestrain, as it doesn't seem to be a new phenomena.

I am wondering however whether it is something to do with the blue-tinted colour of the backlight being uncomfortable, or indeed perhaps it is the LED flicker which I think that I can see from time to time on light backgrounds, but is not entirely obvious.

Think I am going to play the long haul with this one, I still have 12 days with which to return it, and ill see whether the eyestrain continues or settles down (although I have reserved an old-style macbook from my local store just in case).:)
 
I was not sure about the rubber bottem, now after owning it I love it and if you want to see ugly look at the alum. Macbook Pro's the are Plain ugly.
 
I have come to the conclusion that the website we have been using to test is demonstrating a flicker that is apparent on most LCD screens and thusly not an issue for eyestrain, as it doesn't seem to be a new phenomena.

Never had such a thing on any laptop I have owned in the past. Never had any eyestrain either with lots and lots of use. I don't like old curved glass monitors but flat old style LCDs never bothered me. I think it is LED back lighting related. Eventually I am going to try the matte version and see if the glass is causing me some trouble and I just think it's the flicker and frequency stuff. But if it's the LED frequency then that clearly won't change anything.
 
Never had such a thing on any laptop I have owned in the past. Never had any eyestrain either with lots and lots of use. I don't like old curved glass monitors but flat old style LCDs never bothered me. I think it is LED back lighting related. Eventually I am going to try the matte version and see if the glass is causing me some trouble and I just think it's the flicker and frequency stuff. But if it's the LED frequency then that clearly won't change anything.

until checking out the website with the 1-7 examples I would have agreed with you, however since then I have checked on both a non led mbp and my 23" non led ACD, and both exhibit the problem on different patterns (admittedly the acd performs much better, with only one pattern causing slight flicker, while the mbp had more flicker on more test patterns).

Perhaps it is a little of both?
 
First: "Well at my local Apple Store, I heard a person comment when they saw it closed that it looked like a stepped on marshmallow".

I don't laugh very often and this made me laugh! :)

Second:
Yes, people are VERY DIFFERENT in likes and tastes. There always has, and will always be issues with different Apple products. I was a hard core Windows Dev. for a long time. Last year I bought a uMBP and thought it was great until I learned that yes, even Apple has its issues. In fact, it seems to me the more intricate parts there are in anything, the more 'quirks' it has, especially in an age where things are made to last for 2-3 years now, not like the good old days of hard steel and wood, now its plastic and rubber. My wife and I have a joke about plastic we like to teach our kids now. We tell them that one day, when they are older, we will tell stories about how they used to make 'good plastic' lol.

Third:
Yes, I have found the same flashing, pulsing, moving and occasional flicker as well. LED technology is fairly new in flat panels. When I bought my first MBP there were so many problems I had to exchange it 7 times (no joke). I got so sick of blown pixels I decided to go with a 13 MBP and buy the 24 LED Apple display and just use it in clamshell mode. When I reached my fifth return on the Apple display, I just plain gave up and went back to the 15 uMBP. Then I tried something I didn't think of until my wife got her 13 uMBP, an expensive surge protector.

In fact, I had to buy several models to verify this with both MBP's. What I found that was when I had the mac plugged into the wall more of the above stated would persist. However, when I plugged into the sure protector (and one with pulse defense) the problem went away for the most part. I really believe what's happing is the wattage controlled in the power adapter while its plugged into the wall is causing the LED lights to look as though they are pulsing. I've run several tests like different background colors, plugs, inside, outside, dark, florescent lights and regular light bulbs and notice that indeed the mac's screen is somewhat subject to its environment and how much of the 'problem' you can actually see.
 
In fact, I had to buy several models to verify this with both MBP's. What I found that was when I had the mac plugged into the wall more of the above stated would persist. However, when I plugged into the sure protector (and one with pulse defense) the problem went away for the most part. I really believe what's happing is the wattage controlled in the power adapter while its plugged into the wall is causing the LED lights to look as though they are pulsing. I've run several tests like different background colors, plugs, inside, outside, dark, florescent lights and regular light bulbs and notice that indeed the mac's screen is somewhat subject to its environment and how much of the 'problem' you can actually see.

Mine happens even on battery...so if there is a power regulation issue it's between the internals and the display not the power adapter, in my case anyway.
 
My impression is the same as it was for the 1st white macbook, it looks kinda ' girly :eek: not for me I got a black macbook a while back.

This seems like a move to get more people to buy a MBP :rolleyes:
 
My impression is the same as it was for the 1st white macbook, it looks kinda ' girly :eek: not for me I got a black macbook a while back.

This seems like a move to get more people to buy a MBP :rolleyes:

Yeah the shiny plastic always makes something look cheap or more childish. I think the last gen Macbook looked less so even though it was still shiny white..the new shape combined with the shiny white makes it look more like a toy.
 
Yeah the shiny plastic always makes something look cheap or more childish. I think the last gen Macbook looked less so even though it was still shiny white..the new shape combined with the shiny white makes it look more like a toy.

But then maybe aluminum looks cheap like a soda can:). It's all so very subjective
 
I'm likely getting one of these Macbooks today from Microcenter. I originally wanted a refurb 13" Pro model but the lure of a $200 Visa Gift Card rebate is too much to say no to. I played around with it on Friday and I was impressed with the construction. Feels a lot more sturdy than the original Macbook, having seen both side by side. The difference in screen brightness is something else too.

Essentially, it's like getting a new Macbook for $800. You can't beat that.
 
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