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The rep at the Eastview, NY Mac Store told me not to buy the MacBook if I was doing Photoshop editing due to the performance strain.

I bought a spec'd out 13" Air, and it's been an absolutely trooper, connected to an 22" HD monitor while at home. I don't mind the screen when I'm on the road because I don't do that kind of work on the road, and small enough that I don't notice the difference in size between this and the MacBook.

The MacBook is the fashionable one; if you're doing email, browsing, making basic changes in Preview or something, it's great. The Air and Pro are the practical ones.
 
The Touch Bar is getting more useful as developers write for it.

Have apps been updates with the Touch Bar since it was released? I wonder if developers are seeing the potential. I have been told by friends that the Touch Bar is useful for certain tasks but they hope it gets even better with time. Maybe Apple will add more features at June's WWDC when the next MacOS is announced. It's interesting to read you take on it tho.
 
Have apps been updates with the Touch Bar since it was released? I wonder if developers are seeing the potential. I have been told by friends that the Touch Bar is useful for certain tasks but they hope it gets even better with time. Maybe Apple will add more features at June's WWDC when the next MacOS is announced. It's interesting to read you take on it tho.
Personally I just map a lot of shortcuts to it. Sometimes it's easier to just use the keyboard shortcut.
It is very hit or miss for me. When it is convenient it's very convenient but I don't use it enough for it to be "second nature" yet.
 
The rep at the Eastview, NY Mac Store told me not to buy the MacBook if I was doing Photoshop editing due to the performance strain.

I bought a spec'd out 13" Air, and it's been an absolutely trooper, connected to an 22" HD monitor while at home. I don't mind the screen when I'm on the road because I don't do that kind of work on the road, and small enough that I don't notice the difference in size between this and the MacBook.

The MacBook is the fashionable one; if you're doing email, browsing, making basic changes in Preview or something, it's great. The Air and Pro are the practical ones.

that's an absurb statement, especially if you've read thru this thread. a lot of us are doing photo editing (i confess, i switched to affinity photo). PLUS the screen is infinitely better. if you're happy with your air, that's great; it doesn't diminish the value of the macbook in any way.
 
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Personally I just map a lot of shortcuts to it. Sometimes it's easier to just use the keyboard shortcut.
It is very hit or miss for me. When it is convenient it's very convenient but I don't use it enough for it to be "second nature" yet.

Could it just be a learning curve because it's a new feature? I haven't had chance to have a hands on yet so I can't really comment on it's usefulness.
 
Have apps been updates with the Touch Bar since it was released? I wonder if developers are seeing the potential. I have been told by friends that the Touch Bar is useful for certain tasks but they hope it gets even better with time. Maybe Apple will add more features at June's WWDC when the next MacOS is announced. It's interesting to read you take on it tho.
Microsoft Office was just updated for it last month.
 
Could it just be a learning curve because it's a new feature? I haven't had chance to have a hands on yet so I can't really comment on it's usefulness.
It very well could be and it's something I'm just not used to doing all of the time.
Just for myself, the things I use touchbar for take more time than previously. I'm not upset about it or anything like that but adjusting the computer volume is now, stop, look down, touch the volume, slide the volume, then go back to what I am doing.
Do I like new little niche features? Sure thing. I buy into it all of the time. I'll just say the TouchBar didn't influence my purchasing decision at all. It is cool, but for how I use the laptop, if it wasn't there I would still love the laptop.
 
Could it just be a learning curve because it's a new feature? I haven't had chance to have a hands on yet so I can't really comment on it's usefulness.

The developers I work with have also criticised the TouchBar with the exact same complaint - it simply takes longer than it used to.

Remember, though, we are amongst a niche that know a hell of a lot of keyboard shortcuts compared to the majority. For the majority, I'm sure it's probably useful.
 
that's an absurb statement, especially if you've read thru this thread. a lot of us are doing photo editing (i confess, i switched to affinity photo). PLUS the screen is infinitely better. if you're happy with your air, that's great; it doesn't diminish the value of the macbook in any way.

Are you trying to argue with my opinion or argue with the Apple Store salesman? The Air is a better machine in many respects, but the screen isn't one of them - and believe it or not, not everyone really cares. /discussion.
 
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The rep at the Eastview, NY Mac Store told me not to buy the MacBook if I was doing Photoshop editing due to the performance strain.

I bought a spec'd out 13" Air, and it's been an absolutely trooper, connected to an 22" HD monitor while at home. I don't mind the screen when I'm on the road because I don't do that kind of work on the road, and small enough that I don't notice the difference in size between this and the MacBook.

The MacBook is the fashionable one; if you're doing email, browsing, making basic changes in Preview or something, it's great. The Air and Pro are the practical ones.

There can be A LOT of disparity among sales reps at the Apple Store -- both in terms of what they recommend and overall knowledge of their products. But I'm glad you're happy with your machine!
 
Well it's basically an iPad with a keyboard that runs full apple software.

It doesn't have as many ports as the pro, no touch bar, also the screen is 12"
 
The developers I work with have also criticised the TouchBar with the exact same complaint - it simply takes longer than it used to.

Remember, though, we are amongst a niche that know a hell of a lot of keyboard shortcuts compared to the majority. For the majority, I'm sure it's probably useful.

Yea I'm one of those people that don't know a lot of short cuts, when I use final cut I use the mouse as it's quicker than trying to figure out or remember the short cuts. I think the Touch Bar may get more useful as time goes on and more apps support it, Apple may add more features to it in the next MacOS. I can also see it being added to the iMac maybe in the keyboard or something along with Touch ID.
 
Are you trying to argue with my opinion or argue with the Apple Store salesman? The Air is a better machine in many respects, but the screen isn't one of them - and believe it or not, not everyone really cares. /discussion.

sorry, are you ending the discussion, or are you expecting me to answer? just seemed an... unusual statement, in light of the reality. honestly, if you're happy with your air, that's great. we have choices, we make the ones that work for us. and yes, am really arguing with the applestore guy.
 
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Yea I'm one of those people that don't know a lot of short cuts, when I use final cut I use the mouse as it's quicker than trying to figure out or remember the short cuts. I think the Touch Bar may get more useful as time goes on and more apps support it, Apple may add more features to it in the next MacOS. I can also see it being added to the iMac maybe in the keyboard or something along with Touch ID.
I can't see the TB being added to the rMB as Apple like to distinguish their products to force trading up/$. The rMB is already expensive and the battery would be compromised further in addition to change in production costs etc.

Maybe via an external KB would be a good option for backwards compatibility for older laptops etc
 
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I can't see the TB being added to the rMB as Apple like to distinguish their products to force trading up/$. The rMB is already expensive and the battery would be compromised further in addition to change in production costs etc.

Maybe via an external KB would be a good option for backwards compatibility for older laptops etc

It's possible that they add it to the iMac via the keyboard, i think Touch ID would be great for the iMac as well. It's been suggested to me that instead of getting the 12" MacBook i should try the smart keyboard for my iPad Pro. I will take a look when i go to the Apple store, there is no major rush anyway since i will be waiting until Apple updates the Mac's. It's great reading everyones different experiences tho, the MacBook sounds like a great little computer that sits in-between the MacBook Pro and a full desktop like the iMac.
 
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It was basically this video that convinced me that the MacBook isn't underpowered (note: this was even the older 2015 model):


So 4K video editing is even very doable as you can see :)

That's actually a very good video thank you!

It's very impressive that the 12" MacBook can do all that and beat out another computer that has higher specs, I wonder what the reason is for it? Because on paper looking at the specs that other machine with it's 12GB Ram should of beat the MacBook 12"
 
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It's simple, really.

Anything with a fan inevitably will degrade in performance over the years due to its mechanical parts (the fans, mainly) degrading.

A computer like the MacBook with very minimal heat output and essentially just a heatsink potentially will not degrade in performance the same way as a machine with mechanical components does. If you have not noticed already, we were sort of moving away from too many moving parts over the years. First, the optical drive went away, then spinning hard drives were replaced with solid-state drives. Now we have fanless computers that put up reasonable performance.

People who are new to the Mac family probably do not know, but for those of us who have been with Apple a long time, we know the machines with fans will eventually degrade in performance very significantly. The fans just can't perform at 100% capacity forever. That's not physically possible. Either they have to be replaced at some point (along with the heatsink and the thermal paste), or you just need to upgrade altogether.

So personally, I have waited for a fanless MacBook forever, and I finally got my wish in 2015. People did not realize the significance of the machine because they are too used to other machines with supposedly higher specifications, but... allow me to remind all of you, that in 2009, Apple thought a dual-core processor with less horsepower, less cache, significantly less RAM, than the current MacBook with no fan, was the top of the line (the 15" MacBook Pro).

Compare:
MacBook Pro 15" mid-2009
CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo 2.66GHz w/ 3MB L3 cache
RAM: 4GB DDR3 1066MHz
Storage: 320GB HDD

MacBook 12" 2016 base model (the m5 and m7 models are much faster, still)
CPU: Intel Core m3 1.1GHz (can be boosted to 2.2GHz) w/ 4MB L3 cache
RAM: 8GB DDR3L 1866MHz
Storage: 256GB SSD

That 15" computer in 2009 could do all of the things people are doing now: photo editing, video editing, web browsing (with much more resource-intensive Flash, by the way), 3D modeling, and office works (documents, spreadsheets, presentations)

Aside from display resolution, and by the way, the 15" computer from 2009 also supports a 2560 x 1600 external display that is obviously higher resolution than the MacBook 12" internal, what, pray tell, has actually changed that warrants anyone needing more processing power to get the same tasks done? If you're going to say "operating system", then I'd say Apple has really gone downhill a lot since 2009 because their OS essentially does the same things as back then, with some extra bells and whistles (unnecessary) that cause performance degradation overall. Seriously, please think about that.

I think we are just too spoiled by the progress (or in the case of software, I'd dare say it's more like "regression") of technology, honestly.

Yes, the MacBook Pro are faster, and can achieve certain tasks faster, but for most other uses, the MacBook 12" should not fall far behind.

With that said, my 2012 rMBP 15" has had almost 5 long years of work, and the 12" has retired it. In actual use, I don't notice much of a performance difference between the two, if at all. And my use also includes regular "heavy" Photoshop and Lightroom work.

Again, I think people are just too spoiled these days and they require everything to respond lightning fast... within 1 second or it's a "defective" product. Personally, I lived through the good ol' days when we had to wait an hour for a floppy disk (1.44MB!) to copy its data over, and whatever we have now is so very luxurious already. Until we get virtual reality, that is.
 
Compare:
MacBook Pro 15" mid-2009
CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo 2.66GHz w/ 3MB L3 cache
RAM: 4GB DDR3 1066MHz
Storage: 320GB HDD

That's funny, that's the exact machine I have right now. It's been a dependable work horse for me for the past 8 years, I guess I've gotten lucky because I've never had any issues or anything break down, except for replacing the battery once. Lately it's been getting a little slow so I think it's time for an upgrade.

I was gung-ho on getting a fully spec'd 15" touchbar MBP, but for some reason I hesitated when it came time to order. The high price kind of put me off, I could certainly afford it but it's the principal I guess. Then I started thinking how little I've used my laptop in the past year, depending more on my iPhone 7 plus......

So I turned my attention to the MacBook and realized it's fine for my uses (web browsing, photos, light movie editing in imovie, youtube videos, movies, a little photoshop, citrix to connect to my work computer, excel and word) once I convinced myself that I would be fine with the 12" screen it was a go.... Oh and the single port is not an issue I could probably count on one hand the times I've used my MBP ports in the last 2 years.... So now I'm waiting for the 2017 MacBook so I can finally put my 2009 companion to rest.
 
It's simple, really.


I think we are just too spoiled by the progress (or in the case of software, I'd dare say it's more like "regression") of technology, honestly.

Yes, the MacBook Pro are faster, and can achieve certain tasks faster, but for most other uses, the MacBook 12" should not fall far behind.

With that said, my 2012 rMBP 15" has had almost 5 long years of work, and the 12" has retired it. In actual use, I don't notice much of a performance difference between the two, if at all. And my use also includes regular "heavy" Photoshop and Lightroom work.

Again, I think people are just too spoiled these days and they require everything to respond lightning fast... within 1 second or it's a "defective" product. Personally, I lived through the good ol' days when we had to wait an hour for a floppy disk (1.44MB!) to copy its data over, and whatever we have now is so very luxurious already. Until we get virtual reality, that is.

Great post, defeats the 'performance' argument quite nicely.

Reminds me of BMW forums where the $80,000 2005 M3 is put up on a pedestal as the best-BMW-ever and today's $29,000 320i has more torque and a better 0-60 time and is somehow despised.

BJ
 

Since it's my work machine and my efficiency depends on speed, I guess I'm spoiled.

The bottom line is this, which we agree: The MacBook is not a performance monster. It might be in the future, but argument founded on conjecture is baseless and useless.
 
Since it's my work machine and my efficiency depends on speed, I guess I'm spoiled.

The bottom line is this, which we agree: The MacBook is not a performance monster. It might be in the future, but argument founded on conjecture is baseless and useless.

where is it slow? i mean, i don't do logic pro or final cut on my 2016 macbook (i have a pro for that), but for everything else (safari, lots of tabs open), mail, notes, itunes, affinity photo), i am not experiencing any sluggishness. so, am curious what your about your experience...
 
even Indesign and Photoshop run well on my 12" MB. Never tried running Cubase but TBH I'm sure it would really suffer. If you are using CONSTANT CPU power, then the machine isn't going to stay in turbo mode. For short bursts its essentially a 2.4 GHz machine.
 
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