Who else here uses ProTools?

[CalumC]

from what ive read, and heard from other musicians, Logic is the better/more professional way to go. And Protools seems to be for the advanced amature

I think it is worth my time to dispel that myth quickly. What you've been told is simply not true.

To say amateur includes everyone from starting out to fairly experienced, not a lot of money to enough money. As such, not many of said amateurs have macs to start with. In my experience, its cubase that people start with. Perhaps fruityloops or somesuch. In professional studios, i'm sure the majority is with pro tools simply because its better for recording raw audio. Most people are fine with it for mixing too, but a lot of it is still down to preference. As people have said upthread, its not whether one is better than the other, just what people prefer.

 

[Teej guy]

from what ive read, and heard from other musicians, Logic is the better/more professional way to go. And Protools seems to be for the advanced amature

??? Who have you been talking to?

Pro Tools HD is industry standard and most high-end professional studios use it. Neither program is more "professional", they have different workflows (and much different price points). If anything, more amateurs are using Logic because it's cheaper to get into.

 

[zimv20]

from what ive read

heh, you should read something else.

 

[Mattaut]

I have mostly used Logic cause I never felt like taking the time to learn Pro Tools, but once I did start learning it I realized it is so much better than Logic for editing recorded audio. As far as mixing, I still like Logic better, and for MIDI I go with Logic no question.

 

[UltraNEO*]

If anything, more amateurs are using Logic because it's cheaper to get into.

Hmm.. yeah.. from all the 'pro' DAW's. Logic is by far the cheapest but being cheap doesn't mean it's the best!!

Logic Pro may offer so many option for the artist creature in you (anyone) but the application has some flaws and limitations.
And in my opinion a horrible GUI, especially in Logic Pro 8 - I mean, what's with the grouped windows thing?
Doesn't it remind you of Photoshop on the PC?! Eww..

If push came to shove. Apple's Logic Pro would probably be my third option beaten by Cubase. Sorry.

 

[churchrd]

I was using Logic Pro 8 mainly, for the midi side of things. Then using Pro Tools for audio. When Pro tools 8 came out, it changed everything for me. I honestly haven't touched Logic since then, unless i've had to export projects into Pro Tools.

Don't get me wrong Logic is great and may work wonders for you. For me, Pro Tools 8 really helped enhance my workflow since they greatly improved the midi side. I love doing midi in Pro Tools 8.

I do probably like Logic's included effects better than the basic LE effects. But they can still get the job done.

Both programs are perfectly capable, just depends on what works better for you.

 

[junior]

I'm actually from England originally but I seem to spend an increasing amount of time in your country..
I know my passport is full of stamps, visas and odd stubs from shopping. でも、もう直ぐ東京行くよ〜　

Heh, and I spent my teenage years in Liverpool!
何か以外と似てるね！

 

[junior]

from what ive read, and heard from other musicians, Logic is the better/more professional way to go. And Protools seems to be for the advanced amature

Hahaha. Well, I'm glad I'm able to make a living out of being an 'advanced amateur'.

 

[pkoch1]

I'm in a similar boat, but with audio. I used Logic Pro almost exclusively for audio. I really don't see why everyone likes it so much for MIDI except for the included instruments. In my opinion, Digital Performer is the best application for MIDI.

I used Pro Tools 7, saw what everyone liked about it, but wasn't convinced. When Pro Tools 8 came out, that all changed. I haven't used Logic for audio since.

I also like the plugins included in Logic a lot. I think they are laid out in a very simple and pretty way. I wish PT came with a convo reverb too. I guess I have to go out and get Altiverb.

Basically I think that Logic has better included plugins and sounds, but if you are using any other sample libraries or plugins, PT is the way to go.

 

[Macchino]

This is pretty much what I've been able to sum up from the Gearslutz forums: (copied from someone there)

"Profire 2626 = 8 pres with the ability to lightpipe in 16 and better conversion.

003 = 4 pres and 8 lightpiped in

$699 vs. $1199"

Apparently in addition to better A/D and D/A, the 2626's mic pres are better too.

I've ordered one, should be getting it next weekend...looking forward to it! I've already got M-Powered 8. I'd agree with what has been said above...I find myself doing composing/midi/etc in Logic but doing band recording based stuff in Pro Tools. I much prefer the multitrack audio editing workflow in Pro Tools to Logic.

Well that is not completely true.

The 003 has 4 x mic/DI/Line in + 4 line in, option to expand to 16 via ADAT, and 18 with ADAT + SPDIF.

Remember also that while the 2626 may be 699, you have to buy PT M-powered as well. Pro Tools LE comes with the 003.

Regarding the pre's it comes down to taste. I really like the pre's in the 003. Of course its no avalon VT 737sp but they definetly gets the job done. My previus M-Audio products didnt.

Also the Digi 003 comes with seperate monitor + alt monitor outputs, 2x MIDI out and so on.

Bottom line, its not as much a "no-brainer" as you would think to choose between the two. I personally had many discussions with myself, before deciding on the 003 Rack factory over the 2626.

All the best

Macchino

 

[Macchino]

Forgot one thing:

In Pro Tools LE and m-powered you cant use more than 18 I/O anyway, so if protools is your main DAW, you wouldnt get any use af the 26 I/O on the 2626.

 

[Drumjim85]

At work I have PT 7.4 HD / LE (for different rooms)
At home i use PT 8.0 M-powered.

 

[junior]

Forgot one thing:

In Pro Tools LE and m-powered you cant use more than 18 I/O anyway, so if protools is your main DAW, you wouldnt get any use af the 26 I/O on the 2626.

I think you're misunderstanding the point a little.
The 2626 offers 16 x 16 ADAT. This means you could use a converter of much higher quality, such as Lynx Aurora16, Apogee AD/DA 16x, etc, and completely bypass the AD/DA stage and preamps of the 2626. You'd be using high end pres/comps/eqs connected to the main AD/DA converter.
So the 2626 would simply be acting like a key/ilok/digital thru for PT Mpowered. This is something none of the Digidesign LE interfaces can do.

 

[Teej guy]

I think you're misunderstanding the point a little.
The 2626 offers 16 x 16 ADAT. This means you could use a converter of much higher quality, such as Lynx Aurora16, Apogee AD/DA 16x, etc, and completely bypass the AD/DA stage and preamps of the 2626. You'd be using high end pres/comps/eqs connected to the main AD/DA converter.
So the 2626 would simply be acting like a key/ilok/digital thru for PT Mpowered. This is something none of the Digidesign LE interfaces can do.

Exactly, that's one of the reasons I bought the 2626...in the future I can turn this into a very serious 16/16 Pro Tools rig.

Regarding the pres/converters in the 003 vs the 2626, the guys over on Gearslutz seem to prefer the 2626 hands down. The 003 is way IMO overpriced for what it is. Right now the one thing the 003 has over the 2626 is being able to go down to the 64 sample buffer size in Pro Tools (the 2626 goes down to 128). This apparently will be fixed by M-Audio soon in a driver update.

 

[Drumjim85]

I think you're misunderstanding the point a little.
The 2626 offers 16 x 16 ADAT. This means you could use a converter of much higher quality, such as Lynx Aurora16, Apogee AD/DA 16x, etc, and completely bypass the AD/DA stage and preamps of the 2626. You'd be using high end pres/comps/eqs connected to the main AD/DA converter.
So the 2626 would simply be acting like a key/ilok/digital thru for PT Mpowered. This is something none of the Digidesign LE interfaces can do.

I bought the ProFire Lightbridge for my home. And use Mytek converters. I think that's the best solution for a "LE" setup.

 

[UltraNEO*]

Well that is not completely true.

The 003 has 4 x mic/DI/Line in + 4 line in, option to expand to 16 via ADAT, and 18 with ADAT + SPDIF.

Remember also that while the 2626 may be 699, you have to buy PT M-powered as well. Pro Tools LE comes with the 003.

Regarding the pre's it comes down to taste. I really like the pre's in the 003. Of course its no avalon VT 737sp but they definetly gets the job done. My previus M-Audio products didnt.

Also the Digi 003 comes with seperate monitor + alt monitor outputs, 2x MIDI out and so on.

Bottom line, its not as much a "no-brainer" as you would think to choose between the two. I personally had many discussions with myself, before deciding on the 003 Rack factory over the 2626.

All the best

Macchino

WOW Macchino! This really sounds like someone I personally know. Cause I've been asking myself those dame questions... over and over again. After being unsure I posted this thread.. hoping people's input will help me decide.

Now I've made the decision to upgrade, I gotta returning the MBox2 Pro 'toy' for something more versatile. I think if everything goes smoothly, on Wednesday the 003 R+ will arrive! Finger's crossed!

Though right now, I'm still wondering how I should managed the software issue. I don't mean the DAW itself cause they're the same as far as I can see... It's the Factory plugins at appear to be different. Looking at Digi's site, the 003's come with a more valuable plugin pack, compared to the MB2P.

How you think this exchang should be managed? My reseller are more than keen to swap out the factory bundles but what's the difference? What's missing?

 

[Teej guy]

Regarding the pre's it comes down to taste. I really like the pre's in the 003. Of course its no avalon VT 737sp but they definetly gets the job done. My previus M-Audio products didnt.

Forgot to mention that you can't use the previous M-Audio stuff as a decision factor. The ProFire stuff is in a completely different league, M-Audio have really stepped up their game.

 

[Macchino]

WOW Macchino! This really sounds like someone I personally know. Cause I've been asking myself those dame questions... over and over again. After being unsure I posted this thread.. hoping people's input will help me decide.

Now I've made the decision to upgrade, I gotta returning the MBox2 Pro 'toy' for something more versatile. I think if everything goes smoothly, on Wednesday the 003 R+ will arrive! Finger's crossed!

Though right now, I'm still wondering how I should managed the software issue. I don't mean the DAW itself cause they're the same as far as I can see... It's the Factory plugins at appear to be different. Looking at Digi's site, the 003's come with a more valuable plugin pack, compared to the MB2P.

How you think this exchang should be managed? My reseller are more than keen to swap out the factory bundles but what's the difference? What's missing?

Well, on the pro tools installer disc you can choose wether to install mbox factory or 003 factory. You just choose to install the 003 content, and get your reseller to swap the mbox iLok to a 003 iLok., that should do the trick;-)

if you ordered a 003 R+ factory the iLok is in an envelope in the box, and you shouldnt have any problems when you installed the content.

 

[Macchino]

Forgot to mention that you can't use the previous M-Audio stuff as a decision factor. The ProFire stuff is in a completely different league, M-Audio have really stepped up their game.

Ok

 

[UltraNEO*]

Well, on the pro tools installer disc you can choose wether to install mbox factory or 003 factory. You just choose to install the 003 content, and get your reseller to swap the mbox iLok to a 003 iLok., that should do the trick;-)

if you ordered a 003 R+ factory the iLok is in an envelope in the box, and you shouldnt have any problems when you installed the content.

Yeah I know... but that's the thing is... The reseller won't swap-out software that's been registered. Hence, they'll take out the factory envelop from the 003R+ prior to shipping. They've asked me to keep the one from the Mbox.

Get me?

 

[Capt Underpants]

I'm a logic user right now. After a year of working my way through the program, I feel like I've reached a decent level of proficiency.

I'm taking a recording class the first summer session, and the campus studio has a Pro Tools HD setup, so that should be interesting.

If I like Pro Tools, I may upgrade my MOTU to a BLA modded 003. We'll see.

 

[UltraNEO*]

I'm a logic user right now. After a year of working my way through the program, I feel like I've reached a decent level of proficiency.

I'm taking a recording class the first summer session, and the campus studio has a Pro Tools HD setup, so that should be interesting.

If I like Pro Tools, I may upgrade my MOTU to a BLA modded 003. We'll see.

I wonder which work flow you'd prefer after???

 

[Macchino]

Yeah I know... but that's the thing is... The reseller won't swap-out software that's been registered. Hence, they'll take out the factory envelop from the 003R+ prior to shipping. They've asked me to keep the one from the Mbox.

Get me?

Ok, Then let them keep the iLok, but you have to get the registration cards for the 003 Factory, or have digidesign email you the registration info. Then you can register it online yourself, and transfer the licenses to your iLok (i think) via your digi account, and iLok.com. You should probably call digidesign pre-sales support, and have a chat with them, in order to get it completely right;-)

 

[UltraNEO*]

Ok, Then let them keep the iLok, but you have to get the registration cards for the 003 Factory, or have digidesign email you the registration info. Then you can register it online yourself, and transfer the licenses to your iLok (i think) via your digi account, and iLok.com. You should probably call digidesign pre-sales support, and have a chat with them, in order to get it completely right;-)

Ahh.. Never thought of doing it that way. Perhaps when I give them the serial number for the 003R+ they'll know it's part of the 003+ factory pack? I'll call them tomorrow, cause today is a stupid bank holiday!

 

[Benguitar]

from what ive read, and heard from other musicians, Logic is the better/more professional way to go. And Protools seems to be for the advanced amature

I'm currently using Logic Express 8.