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You have got to be kidding me. Teachers are paid to teach, not talk on cell phones. Teachers also have cars and don't rely on others to get things done. On the other hand, kids don't get paid anything to sit in class all day a do 25 problems trying to figure out what angle little johnny has to look up into the sky to see the plane.

Kids also need rides home, therefor they need a cellphone. And iPods are good because they take away boredom. What do kids do when they're bored? They get stoned.

I'm sorry but the way you look at things is completely flawed. Kids have the power.

As a middle school teacher, I think the phone rule should be changed - not erased. I feel it's fine to let kids use cell phones in netween classes. I keep mine on during class because my infant son is at a day care and sometimes they call when he needs to be picked up (he gets sick a lot).

Also as a teacher, I have EARNED my privilege to have a cell phone on during class. My classroom phone doesn't take "outside" calls, so my cell phone is a must.

I don't make or take calls from my mommy because she needs to confirm what time she'll pick me up from school. I let students use my classroom phone to make important calls out.

iPods, cell phones, etc. should be used during free time, not during my test. Not during my lecture. Not during instructional time.

Bottom line: Twenty years form now, students will find another reason to rebel. Complain all you want. One day you will earn your wings.
 
I have problems with school simply because of the scheduling. As a senior, I am taking five AP classes out of my total six classes (the sixth being orchestra). AP exams are over at the end of the second full week of May, yet, graduation does not occur until June 9th. For some reason, I am still expected to show up and, as many of my teachers say, "look busy," until graduation.

I have no problem with the 180-day school year. I just would prefer that the school didn't keep me sitting on my six doing absolutely nothing useful for a month just to fulfill an arbitrary requirement that has nothing to do with my actual level of academic prowess. I can watch movies at home.

I also have problems with teachers that think that their class is by far the most important taught at the school. I get straight A's in every subject except AP Calculus, which is an A-B mix. If I'm getting a 100% in your class, don't yell at me for using my time in a more effective manner than listening to a lecture on information that I already know - such as doing the two hours per night of homework that each teacher feels that it's necessary to assign.

One final item. When teachers assign work, they should at least have the common decency to grade it and hand it back. My junior-year Honors English teacher still has not given back assignments that I turned in during September of last school year.
 
I bet if you had it your way, our school system would be military like. No freedom, work like hell, a minor rule infraction gets you a whipping, and year round school going from 7 am to 5 PM with of course 2 day weekends. You would also probably kill winter and spring break or severely shorten it right? You are practically going to teach the kids under a dictatorship. How is extending the school year going to make students more prepared for the day?

Not military like, just more about what it is supposed to be about...learning. In most cases, it would be like school is today. However I also think that students who are continual problems or whose parents show a lack of concern for their children's progess should be placed in environments that focus them on their studies and eliminate negative outside influences.

Extending the school year gets rid of the three month gap where kids forget what they learned. It seems most teachers spend September and October making sure that students are prepared to move on to the actual material of the course. A move to a year round system where no student moves to the next level without passing solves that, plus reduces the stigma that they are being "held back" because the could be held back only in certain weak areas but advance to the next level in others.

It is simple weeding out the lazy people who will work at Mcdonalds as a career and the people who do come prepared and become a CEO of a company. Why should we inflate the people who are lazy and don't care about their future to where they get better pay at jobs they don't deserve since they were lazy( and continue being lazy at the job).

The problem with your system is keeping the proper balance of bottom-feeders in proportion to the rest of society. If society gets too bottom heavy, it damages the economy and leads to political instability. Not to mention technological progress could rapidly eliminate many low-end jobs in the future.
 
Its bad that you can only get 3 days off of school before they start taking .25 credit off your GPA per extra day. I think its ridiculous the amount of time teachers get off- 15 days a year... out of 180 days. You don't see business executives taking that many days off for being "sick", yes they take vacation time, but teachers have the ENTIRE SUMMER off.

Want to talk about ignorance. I don't know how old you are or if you were a teacher but 90% of my high school teachers are lazy @$$es. Hmmm when do I get papers back.... never. How many sick days have you taken this year.... 3,4,5,6 maybe more. Do you even teach the subject... no you tell us to go home and do it. Do they even know the subject?

Wow man, what an ***hole thing to say. No offense, but I am guessing that you don't know very much about teachers, at all. Both of my parents are teachers, and they work their asses off. My dad has been getting up at either 4 or 5 in the morning for the past 23 years to teach high school in San Jose. And how can you whine about teachers time off in Summer... THEY DONT GET PAID! They get paid to work from 8 to 3, and get paid 0 for any overtime. There is no such thing as paid overtime, any work taken home or done at work is for free.

And how can you say that executives don't have it easy? Know what a bonus is? Doesn't exist in the teaching world. Know what paid overtime is? Doesn't exist in the teaching world. Know what a relaxing job is? Doesn't exist in the teaching world.

Hey, look at firefighters! They can start their carreer fresh out of high school, and already make more money than a teacher makes 10 years into their job. My neighbor is a firefigher chief (ooohhh ahhh he is such a hero, doing all that work!) NOT. He works 3 days and gets EIGHT off. How can you act like teachers have it so easy, when someone like a firefighter has it even easier? And they get paid overtime and massive more amounts of money, too. I am not badmouthing firefighters, I am just saying that people like them simply do not have the right to act like they have it hard. My Dad was at San Jose last night from 6-10PM doing work and catching up. Call that lazy? And all for free!

Teachers are hugely disrespected in this society, and get paid crappy and are treated like they have it so easy, but the reality is just the opposite. And I'm just getting started.
I am the kind of person that doesn't like BS.

And btw those teacher that work 180 days and get 15 sick days that never correct papers wages top out at $8x,000 in my town. Not to mention you have a 10 year contract that pretty much cannot be broken and basically once you have the job you have it for life until you quit or retire.

80,000 dollars!? Pass the joint dude! My parents starting salaries 20 years ago were 11,000 dollars. My dad has been working for 23 years, my mom for more than ten, and combined we make just about 100,000 a year. This is between two people. My Mom works at a college, but since my Dad has been working longer he is making slightly more. You want to get into salaries? You know about raises, right? My Dad hasn't had a single raise in 11 years. My mom just got one last year (the first time in around 7-8 years) and it is a whopping 3%!! Wow, she makes a few hundred a year more than she used to!

Thankfully my parents are very good at handling money, so we are able to live a nice life, and I am thankful for that. But just imagine, if my parents were both firefighters (example, again)! We would be so loaded by now, and not to mention that my dad would definitely be retired by now, taking it that most firefighters retire sometime at or before the age of 50.

Do you want to know why teachers have a bonding contract? First of all, they don't. They only reason why teachers continue their jobs til a very old age is because they cannot live off of the retirement money. My dad will be
65 by the time he can retire and comfortably live off of the retirement fund. My other neighbor is a firefighter as well, and he retired at 45 and makes 80% of his salary. My dad will be working for twenty more years before he can quit. He showed me the chart of how much you get per month (in a check) when you retire at certain ages.

If you quit anytime before 60, you are pretty much making ends meat, and definitely not enough to live even a remotely average lifestyle. At 65, it is still very unreasonable, but guess what! No matter how much you teach past the age of 65, you do not make any more money per month after retirement. So watch what you say before you do even any half ass research.

Furthermore, students have 3 unexcused days off. That means if you skip school or want to go on vacation. If you are sick that doesn't count but after 2-3 consecutive days you need a note by a doctor. Vacations are no unexcused. On the other hand, teachers get 15 sick days a year that they can use for anything. Furthermore if they do not use them one year they add them onto the next year, up to 180 days. Additionally if they never use them they can cash them in for paid days when they retire.

Do you know how much money teachers make for "cashing in" their unused sick days? It is a joke. Just about as pathetic as your argument. Sure they have sick days, but how can you act like it is such a treat? Someone working without sick days must have a tough job. Remember what I said about my firefighter buddy? 3 on, 8 off? Talk about sick days? He is bored he has so many days off, and people like him in this country get treated like gods because they are such "heroic" folks.

Teachers are the real heros, because it takes guts to walk into a profession where you get treated like crap (people tell me dad left and right how "nice" it must be to have the summer off, "and how he is soo special") But when you say something like that to someone like my Dad, he only feels worse because he has it really tough, and people act like he has it so easy, and he can never get any respect.

Also, it takes guts to march into a career where it takes FOUR years (at least) of college to get the job done right, and at the same time see people like firefighters start their job with no college education, and make double the salary as teachers right off the bat, and after all that be treated like hot stuff because they have it so tough. It takes guts to start a career where you know that you will be working until you are a grandparent, just to make enough money to live the end of your years respectively.

To be a teacher, you have to be really really passionate about your profession, because no one in the right mind would start a teaching career unless they really knew that that was what they wanted to do for the rest of their life, and that it will be a fight.

That's my two cents. Take it and keep it.
 
The school system has always been flawed. I almost got suspended once in middle school because SOMEONE ELSE TRIED TO BEAT ME UP. (Being the clumsy kid with Asperger's syndrome makes you prime picking on material)

The school had this idiotically stupid no tolerance rule that extended to the point that anyone involved in the fight gets suspended, even if one did NOTHING to provoke the fight and didn't fight back except to try to protect himself.

The advantage to having a disability is that you get some resources to fight idiotic stuff like that. The school doesn't want to get in trouble for suspending a kid with a 504 plan for not doing anything wrong when they can legally fight back.

But the school system was very messed up, I'm not even going to get in to all the details.


dude...I have Aspberger's too! how old are you right now?
 
@Zwhaler....

thank you...very well said :) i get so tired of hearing kids complain about things they know nothing about. i can't wait to hear the responses to this one!
 
Now these are just my classes, but the classes where the teacher treats the students LIKE PEOPLE, and let them listen to iPods and they interact with the students, people get much higher grades academically and in citizenship.

I'm only 15 and I know people had to walk 5 miles in the snow when they were my age and that we should be thankful for what we have. But why should we walk to school that's 5 miles away now when a bus or our parents can drive us? Our generation can't be made guilty for what people before our time went through!

Kids are just as responsible as they were back in 1960. Teachers expect us to do many things that a teacher could NEVER expect of their student back then. We are required to type everything, know how to use powerpoint, have internet access, do crazy projects that involves driving to multiple stores and back. And that is the least of it.

We're not complaining about what we don't have, we're complaining about being made to feel guilty!
 
Wow man, what an ***hole thing to say. No offense, but I am guessing that you don't know very much about teachers, at all. Both of my parents are teachers, and they work their asses off. My dad has been getting up at either 4 or 5 in the morning for the past 23 years to teach high school in San Jose. And how can you whine about teachers time off in Summer... THEY DONT GET PAID! They get paid to work from 8 to 3, and get paid 0 for any overtime. There is no such thing as paid overtime, any work taken home or done at work is for free.

And how can you say that executives don't have it easy? Know what a bonus is? Doesn't exist in the teaching world. Know what paid overtime is? Doesn't exist in the teaching world. Know what a relaxing job is? Doesn't exist in the teaching world.

Hey, look at firefighters! They can start their carreer fresh out of high school, and already make more money than a teacher makes 10 years into their job. My neighbor is a firefigher chief (ooohhh ahhh he is such a hero, doing all that work!) NOT. He works 3 days and gets EIGHT off. How can you act like teachers have it so easy, when someone like a firefighter has it even easier? And they get paid overtime and massive more amounts of money, too. I am not badmouthing firefighters, I am just saying that people like them simply do not have the right to act like they have it hard. My Dad was at San Jose last night from 6-10PM doing work and catching up. Call that lazy? And all for free!

Teachers are hugely disrespected in this society, and get paid crappy and are treated like they have it so easy, but the reality is just the opposite. And I'm just getting started.


80,000 dollars!? Pass the joint dude! My parents starting salaries 20 years ago were 11,000 dollars. My dad has been working for 23 years, my mom for more than ten, and combined we make just about 100,000 a year. This is between two people. My Mom works at a college, but since my Dad has been working longer he is making slightly more. You want to get into salaries? You know about raises, right? My Dad hasn't had a single raise in 11 years. My mom just got one last year (the first time in around 7-8 years) and it is a whopping 3%!! Wow, she makes a few hundred a year more than she used to!

Thankfully my parents are very good at handling money, so we are able to live a nice life, and I am thankful for that. But just imagine, if my parents were both firefighters (example, again)! We would be so loaded by now, and not to mention that my dad would definitely be retired by now, taking it that most firefighters retire sometime at or before the age of 50.

Do you want to know why teachers have a bonding contract? First of all, they don't. They only reason why teachers continue their jobs til a very old age is because they cannot live off of the retirement money. My dad will be
65 by the time he can retire and comfortably live off of the retirement fund. My other neighbor is a firefighter as well, and he retired at 45 and makes 80% of his salary. My dad will be working for twenty more years before he can quit. He showed me the chart of how much you get per month (in a check) when you retire at certain ages.

If you quit anytime before 60, you are pretty much making ends meat, and definitely not enough to live even a remotely average lifestyle. At 65, it is still very unreasonable, but guess what! No matter how much you teach past the age of 65, you do not make any more money per month after retirement. So watch what you say before you do even any half ass research.



Do you know how much money teachers make for "cashing in" their unused sick days? It is a joke. Just about as pathetic as your argument. Sure they have sick days, but how can you act like it is such a treat? Someone working without sick days must have a tough job. Remember what I said about my firefighter buddy? 3 on, 8 off? Talk about sick days? He is bored he has so many days off, and people like him in this country get treated like gods because they are such "heroic" folks.

Teachers are the real heros, because it takes guts to walk into a profession where you get treated like crap (people tell me dad left and right how "nice" it must be to have the summer off, "and how he is soo special") But when you say something like that to someone like my Dad, he only feels worse because he has it really tough, and people act like he has it so easy, and he can never get any respect.

Also, it takes guts to march into a career where it takes FOUR years (at least) of college to get the job done right, and at the same time see people like firefighters start their job with no college education, and make double the salary as teachers right off the bat, and after all that be treated like hot stuff because they have it so tough. It takes guts to start a career where you know that you will be working until you are a grandparent, just to make enough money to live the end of your years respectively.

To be a teacher, you have to be really really passionate about your profession, because no one in the right mind would start a teaching career unless they really knew that that was what they wanted to do for the rest of their life, and that it will be a fight.

That's my two cents. Take it and keep it.

There are good teachers and then there are bad teachers. In my experience I don't like very many of them. I still get good grades, I am just not impressed with many of their actions or lack of actions. I am not saying that ALL teachers suck but a lot of them in my experience do. And obviously since your parents are teachers you aren't going to put them down are you thus you are being biased.

Big whoop. My dad wakes up at 5:00 and comes home at 8:00. Teachers stop working... when the bell rings at 2:22 at my school they run out. And they obviously don't do much when they work when they get home because I NEVER GET ANYTHING BACK.

And duh your parents don't make a lot of money BECAUSE THEY DON'T WORK SUMMERs. Making 80,000 a year working 1/2 a year sounds pretty good to me. If they made 160,000 working a full year that would be ridiculous. Yes they might have to work in the summer but basically at their own leisure. Relaxing? Hmmm, my friends parents who are both teachers just took themselves and their 4 kids on a 6 week European adventure. The summers before they have gone on trips around the US.

You know what doesn't exist in the business world, taking the entire summer off. You know what doesn't exist also in the business world, taking 15 days off a year because you want to, or 30 because you haven't used any from the year before. I don't think small business owners or business executives take every other monday and friday off like my spanish teacher does. There is nothing you can do about it either.

Funny, all the teachers at my school seem to retire before the age of 55, male or female.
 
Schools don't want to do this because it would cost to much and they would just rather teach just enough to get the funding and test scores.

Schools teach for college and forget about the other kids and just assume they will be failures.


Maybe...but my school is a private school(and could have the cash, but they don't use it for that) and they still teach the "normal" way. Less so then other school, but still it pretty uneven when measuring intellegence.
 
Making 80,000

Just for reference...average teacher salaries were Connecticut ($52,376), Rhode Island ($51,619) in 2003...so your $80,000 figure is the top bracket of teachers, probably those just about to retire and with there Master's degree, not the majority of teachers out there.
 
Is there a reason I am still waiting to get lab reports and essay from last year?

Is there a reason my world civ teacher hasn't returned an essay that was due 10/24/06. Or the test I took 2 weeks ago. Or the quiz before that.

How come my bio teacher only gives back labs and homework at the end of the quarters.

What about the english essay I wrote last a month ago.

Andy why does it take my math teacher over 2 weeks to correct a short math test. And how come she can't add up scores, or even do the math thats she's teaching/ When we ask her to explain the problem she claims we don't have enough time... even on a 1.5hr double period day.

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I hate it when my teacher blows a fuse at me saying how difficult it is to grade 180 papers and she doesn't have time to tell me my grade. "I want to be with my family." she said. HEY! I want to be with mine to, yet I'm not getting 2 extra weeks to do my out of school work!
 
Isn't the average family income in the US $50k?

Not quite...

(from USA Today): From 2001 to 2004, average family income fell 2.3%, to an inflation-adjusted $70,700.

Now I have to search for the average family income where at least one person has a B.A. since the above statistics include all families regardless of educational background.
 
Isn't the average family income in the US $50k?

You should really look at the median income. The average is thrown off by people making HUGE amounts of money. The median income was $43,318 in 2003. )source)

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G5Unit said:
I hate it when my teacher blows a fuse at me saying how difficult it is to grade 180 papers and she doesn't have time to tell me my grade. "I want to be with my family." she said. HEY! I want to be with mine to, yet I'm not getting 2 extra weeks to do my out of school work!
the difference: You have ONE paper to write. The teacher has 180 to read and grade thoroughly. Big difference in time needed.
 
I don't think its the teachers to blame but the whole system, the administration, the bureaucracy, etc. I hear teachers always companing that they can't teach the way they want becasue they have to follow some stupid guideline from the school department. One of my teachers told me they could fire half the people in the administration building and they could get just as much done.... it probably true too. Maybe if the department spent less time writing useless 200 page student handbooks, they could focus more on the students (and maybe even the condition of some of the school buildings).

I think its unfair to blame teachers when test scores are low, etc. I mean, there are some great teachers in my school even though the test scores aren't exactly up there (not that they mean much anyway).
 
You should really look at the median income. The average is thrown off by people making HUGE amounts of money. The median income was $43,318 in 2003. )source)

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the difference: You have ONE paper to write. The teacher has 180 to read and grade thoroughly. Big difference in time needed.

But then again, I have 6 classes of homework, I'm the kid, and I'm not getting paid, where's the motivation?
 
There are good teachers and then there are bad teachers. In my experience I don't like very many of them. I still get good grades, I am just not impressed with many of their actions or lack of actions. I am not saying that ALL teachers suck but a lot of them in my experience do. And obviously since your parents are teachers you aren't going to put them down are you thus you are being biased.

I agree that there are good and bad teachers, but that really doesn't justify your argument. There are good and bad busniesspeople too, but they all get treated equally. It seems that teachers, weather they are good or bad, get treated like the entire US teaching force is made of 100% bad teachers. I don't really need to put my parents down, there is nothing negative to say about them! Trust me if I were able to agree with you I would, but this simply is not the case.

Another thing - when you say good and bad teachers, what are you using to determine weather they are good or not? Homework? Personality? Everyone is different, so I am actually curious on how you judge them, because to me it is unfair to judge teachers on how much work they give, but rather on how much they have helped you in life when it comes to their particular subject. My Dad gets people every week who are all grown up and come back to that particular high school and tell my Dad that he is the best teacher that they have ever had and he was the inspiration that got them where they are today. He has had people come back who later turned out to be CEO, engineers, and even a guy who ended up on the lead team for BMWs vehicle design.

Now I realize that my Dad isn't like the average teacher, and unless your teachers are really horrible people (I won't lie, my Dad works alongside a few) I wouldn't call them horrible teachers.


Big whoop. My dad wakes up at 5:00 and comes home at 8:00. Teachers stop working... when the bell rings at 2:22 at my school they run out. And they obviously don't do much when they work when they get home because I NEVER GET ANYTHING BACK.

And duh your parents don't make a lot of money BECAUSE THEY DON'T WORK SUMMERs. Making 80,000 a year working 1/2 a year sounds pretty good to me. If they made 160,000 working a full year that would be ridiculous. Yes they might have to work in the summer but basically at their own leisure. Relaxing? Hmmm, my friends parents who are both teachers just took themselves and their 4 kids on a 6 week European adventure. The summers before they have gone on trips around the US.

A little background on my Dad: He was born into a family of eight, lived in a 1000sq foot house for awhile and grew up in Pleasant Hill. He went to UC Berkely, graduated with honors, and got a degree in German Literature, and later went on to get a Masters degree in Educational Leadership. My father is obviously a smart man, so he knew what he was doing when he entered the teaching industry. Unlike your school, my dad drives for about an hour to get to San Jose eachmorning, and is at work before I wake up at 6:30 each morning. He leaves school at 3:00, and gets home at around four. He often times goes back to work later in the night to get his work done; he refuses to take work home, he would rather drive back to San Jose and get it done there.

It is unfair to act like all teachers are exactly like yours. Honestly, I have never heard about a school getting at 2:22, so again, it is unfair to act like all teachers work less than they really do. About your comment about not getting anything back - do you get graded on your assignments? If at the end of the quarter, you have an A in the class, the teachers obviously graded all yours papers, and most likely a simple request can be made to get them handed back to you. But if at the end of the quarter you have an F, and you have done all of your work, then we have a problem.

Another thing - you say my parents don't work summers, like they have a choice! My parents would love to work summers and get extra pay. But this is not an option, and please don't exaggerate and act like they only work 180 days. Sure, they go to school 180 days (that is not counting the at least 10-20 teacher work days that exist each year) and teach their kids, but there is much more to it than that. My mom grades many of her kids' papers on the weekend. That is work too. My Dad has to spend much of the summer planning out every single aspect of one of his 3 cirriculums. By the way, he is fluent in Spanish, German, and French, which is what he teaches. That is work too.

If teachers did ALL of their work in the 180 days that they actually go to and from school, they would be awake 24 hours a day. Keep in mind, all of this extra "work" is not only expected, but fully unpaid.

You know what doesn't exist in the business world, taking the entire summer off. You know what doesn't exist also in the business world, taking 15 days off a year because you want to, or 30 because you haven't used any from the year before. I don't think small business owners or business executives take every other monday and friday off like my spanish teacher does. There is nothing you can do about it either.

Funny, all the teachers at my school seem to retire before the age of 55, male or female.

Oohh, this is going to be a fun one to talk about. Taking it that you have a bias towards buisness people, I'll word this differently than I originally intended. One of my Dad's mottos in life is "Everything you do, you gain something and you lose something" This holds true to this situation. Teachers gain summers off, but they lose all of their pay for those 2 and a half months. Busniess people don't have summers off, but they work more and essentially get paid more. Busniess people get lots of benefits that teachers don't get. Bonuses, free tickets to Hawaii (it has happened more than once to several family friends in the busniess industry)... I could go on, but I have more important things to say.

Do you know what AMAZING benefit teachers do not have, but pretty much everyone else in the world, *especially* busniess owners, have? Tax writeoffs. If my father were writing this, he would go on for hours. My family knows tons of people who are in the busniess industry, that write off ABSOLUTELY everything. We know people in the real estate industry who will take a trip to all these fancy places and write it off, claiming that "We brought potential customers on a vacation because they may give us busniess" They could buy a Cabin in Tahoe and say "Every year, we bring potential customers up to our cabin because it helps busniess" They write off every single drop of gas they put in their written off sports cars and gas guzzling SUVs. Guess what teachers can write off! Somthing like fifty dollars worth of school supplies per year. How pathetic! The IRS won't ever touch people who abuse tax write offs, because there are too many of them.

Quick question. Do you go to private school? Just asking. It very rare to see teachers retire that young where I live. I have a teacher in his mid fifties who, like I said before, is planning to retire in his mid sixites. For your school, this is probably because your teachers have wealthy spouses, which eliminates the need to work longer than they want to.

There is so much more to say about this, but after a certain point it just becomes meaningless.
 
Just for reference...average teacher salaries were Connecticut ($52,376), Rhode Island ($51,619) in 2003...so your $80,000 figure is the top bracket of teachers, probably those just about to retire and with there Master's degree, not the majority of teachers out there.
And a mere $38,000 for pinellas county floriduhh.
 
But then again, I have 6 classes of homework, I'm the kid, and I'm not getting paid, where's the motivation?

A free education (if you're attending a public school). The chance at a better future and career. Personal educational fulfillment. Garnering skills that you'll use later in life. Not getting in trouble with your parents ;)

Six assignments to do vs 180 to grade. Idly writing A, A, A, B+, B, A, A, etc. on papers and not leaving any comments on the papers, although quick, offers no benefit to the student. Saying WHY a student got a C+ lets them know how to improve on future assignments. I know when I get a paper that a professor hastily graded, it makes me so angry. I want to know HOW to improve. In what way was my thesis vague? How can I better cite the text for next time?
Or conversely, why did I get an A on that? What did I do on that one that I haven't on others?

She's taking so long for your benefit. It's not like she's getting completely trashed instead of reading your assignment. Lesson plans, family stuff, taking care of her own children, in addition to general life crap (laundry, car repairs, doctor's visits, vet visits) all takes time. They aren't paper grading machines.
 
I agree that there are good and bad teachers, but that really doesn't justify your argument. There are good and bad busniesspeople too, but they all get treated equally. It seems that teachers, weather they are good or bad, get treated like the entire US teaching force is made of 100% bad teachers. I don't really need to put my parents down, there is nothing negative to say about them! Trust me if I were able to agree with you I would, but this simply is not the case.

Another thing - when you say good and bad teachers, what are you using to determine weather they are good or not? Homework? Personality? Everyone is different, so I am actually curious on how you judge them, because to me it is unfair to judge teachers on how much work they give, but rather on how much they have helped you in life when it comes to their particular subject. My Dad gets people every week who are all grown up and come back to that particular high school and tell my Dad that he is the best teacher that they have ever had and he was the inspiration that got them where they are today. He has had people come back who later turned out to be CEO, engineers, and even a guy who ended up on the lead team for BMWs vehicle design.

Now I realize that my Dad isn't like the average teacher, and unless your teachers are really horrible people (I won't lie, my Dad works alongside a few) I wouldn't call them horrible teachers.




A little background on my Dad: He was born into a family of eight, lived in a 1000sq foot house for awhile and grew up in Pleasant Hill. He went to UC Berkely, graduated with honors, and got a degree in German Literature, and later went on to get a Masters degree in Educational Leadership. My father is obviously a smart man, so he knew what he was doing when he entered the teaching industry. Unlike your school, my dad drives for about an hour to get to San Jose eachmorning, and is at work before I wake up at 6:30 each morning. He leaves school at 3:00, and gets home at around four. He often times goes back to work later in the night to get his work done; he refuses to take work home, he would rather drive back to San Jose and get it done there.

It is unfair to act like all teachers are exactly like yours. Honestly, I have never heard about a school getting at 2:22, so again, it is unfair to act like all teachers work less than they really do. About your comment about not getting anything back - do you get graded on your assignments? If at the end of the quarter, you have an A in the class, the teachers obviously graded all yours papers, and most likely a simple request can be made to get them handed back to you. But if at the end of the quarter you have an F, and you have done all of your work, then we have a problem.

Another thing - you say my parents don't work summers, like they have a choice! My parents would love to work summers and get extra pay. But this is not an option, and please don't exaggerate and act like they only work 180 days. Sure, they go to school 180 days (that is not counting the at least 10-20 teacher work days that exist each year) and teach their kids, but there is much more to it than that. My mom grades many of her kids' papers on the weekend. That is work too. My Dad has to spend much of the summer planning out every single aspect of one of his 3 cirriculums. By the way, he is fluent in Spanish, German, and French, which is what he teaches. That is work too.

If teachers did ALL of their work in the 180 days that they actually go to and from school, they would be awake 24 hours a day. Keep in mind, all of this extra "work" is not only expected, but fully unpaid.



Oohh, this is going to be a fun one to talk about. Taking it that you have a bias towards buisness people, I'll word this differently than I originally intended. One of my Dad's mottos in life is "Everything you do, you gain something and you lose something" This holds true to this situation. Teachers gain summers off, but they lose all of their pay for those 2 and a half months. Busniess people don't have summers off, but they work more and essentially get paid more. Busniess people get lots of benefits that teachers don't get. Bonuses, free tickets to Hawaii (it has happened more than once to several family friends in the busniess industry)... I could go on, but I have more important things to say.

Do you know what AMAZING benefit teachers do not have, but pretty much everyone else in the world, *especially* busniess owners, have? Tax writeoffs. If my father were writing this, he would go on for hours. My family knows tons of people who are in the busniess industry, that write off ABSOLUTELY everything. We know people in the real estate industry who will take a trip to all these fancy places and write it off, claiming that "We brought potential customers on a vacation because they may give us busniess" They could buy a Cabin in Tahoe and say "Every year, we bring potential customers up to our cabin because it helps busniess" They write off every single drop of gas they put in their written off sports cars and gas guzzling SUVs. Guess what teachers can write off! Somthing like fifty dollars worth of school supplies per year. How pathetic! The IRS won't ever touch people who abuse tax write offs, because there are too many of them.

Quick question. Do you go to private school? Just asking. It very rare to see teachers retire that young where I live. I have a teacher in his mid fifties who, like I said before, is planning to retire in his mid sixites. For your school, this is probably because your teachers have wealthy spouses, which eliminates the need to work longer than they want to.

There is so much more to say about this, but after a certain point it just becomes meaningless.

At my school, if teachers chaperone a trip, they get to go for free, whether that be to something 1/2hr or to china.

Anyways I will cut to what I believe makes a good teacher
1) Knows what they are teaching
2) Knows how to teach the subject
3) Can connect and relate to students
4) Corrected Papers, gives feed backs
5) Makes class interesting (not vital but helpful)

Some work I never get back, most just come back 2-3 weeks after I did it.

My science teacher last year, would take as little 1/8ths points for things. One time I did get 3pnts off because in an equation I used an "X" instead of a Dot for multiplication. He was so anal about things it drove people insane. I don't even feel like talking about this though. I'm not saying teachers can't be hard graders, but there is a difference between a hard grader and someone that is a completely anal.

These are my complains about my current teachers
1) World Civ 10 honors: Never hands anything back on a timely basis and is more concerned about teaching social skills and how to treat other people than World Civ (World History). Additionally, the class is not inspiring and honestly all the work we do feels like busy work. You go home, read the chapter, do the work, then go back to school reinforce it with busy work, go home and reinforce it more with more homework. I also believe she is mentally unstable. Things like "I hate myself" and "I'm a failure" make you wonder when she is actually serious. Additionally, one time a kid joked to her "You haven't said anything intelligent today" and she stormed out of the room and didn't come back for 3 days.
2) English 10 honors: The teacher is a hard grader but I think she does a good job teaching. Class is very boring but I think she is a good teacher. She doesn't connect to children that well but better than other teachers. Sometimes papers are turned back 3 days later, sometimes a couple weeks. She does a good job correcting though, she writes comments everywhere, but unfortunately you cannot read it because her writing is so sloppy.
3) Spanish 3: Spanish teacher is horrendous. Her personality is absolutely vile. She doesn't teach. We have a quiz every other day on things we're not even taught. She shows no enthusiasm in teacher and I've never ever ever ever received one of my projects back
4) AP Bio: The teacher is good but does not return things back until the end of the quarter when she has to have her grades in. We do get tests back pretty quickly because she uses the "scantron" bubble in sheets. She connects to students and is enthusiastic though. She is a little disorganized though.
5) Algebra II Honors: Where shall I start. I honestly don't know if this lady knows what she's teaching. She makes so many mistakes, people always have to help HER though the problems SHE should be TEACHING. She can't even add, I can't even count the number of times she's added up my quizzes wrong. When we ask for help, she says there's not enough time. I cannot even describe how horrible of a teacher she is. She doesn't connect well with the students well and has nooooo classroom manegment skills.
 
A free education (if you're attending a public school). The chance at a better future and career. Personal educational fulfillment. Garnering skills that you'll use later in life. Not getting in trouble with your parents ;)

Six assignments to do vs 180 to grade. Idly writing A, A, A, B+, B, A, A, etc. on papers and not leaving any comments on the papers, although quick, offers no benefit to the student. Saying WHY a student got a C+ lets them know how to improve on future assignments. I know when I get a paper that a professor hastily graded, it makes me so angry. I want to know HOW to improve. In what way was my thesis vague? How can I better cite the text for next time?
Or conversely, why did I get an A on that? What did I do on that one that I haven't on others?

She's taking so long for your benefit. It's not like she's getting completely trashed instead of reading your assignment. Lesson plans, family stuff, taking care of her own children, in addition to general life ennui (laundry, car repairs, doctor's visits, vet visits) all takes time. They aren't paper grading machines.

And I am not a pointless math questions answering machine either.

Right now I am learninghow to find the agnel of a triangle and we are only given so much information. So we aew using the tan and sin etc on my calculator.


This is the most pointless math ever! If I ever want to get into a field that requires this I am going to be forced to RElearn it anyways. Why learn it now? Every year we are taught new ways of doing the same thing, just as a filler.

What they SHOULD be teaching us is how to be a smart consumer(because school is all about being sucessful right? Why no teach us how to manage our money?) what is wrong with our government, and trying to help us find something that we REALLY like to do. By making us do 50 math problems on how far the ball is from Jimmy, they are setting us up for a boring, repetitive life. Nuff said.
 
This is the most pointless math ever! If I ever want to get into a field that requires this I am going to be forced to RElearn it anyways. Why learn it now? Every year we are taught new ways of doing the same thing, just as a filler.

What they SHOULD be teaching us is how to be a smart consumer(because school is all about being sucessful right? Why no teach us how to manage our money?) what is wrong with our government, and trying to help us find something that we REALLY like to do. By making us do 50 math problems on how far the ball is from Jimmy, they are setting us up for a boring, repetitive life. Nuff said.

Re: Math...learn it now because colleges will expect you to be at a certain level if you want to go into a math intensive field.

Re: Consuming...don't buy anything that you don't NEED. Buy Macs and not PCs. Don't eat junk food...end of story. Save all the rest of your money for college.

Re: Government problems...don't worry, you'll have plenty of time to debate this over coffee when you are in college...then go to the protest rallies!
 
Anyways I will cut to what I believe makes a good teacher
1) Knows what they are teaching
2) Knows how to teach the subject
3) Can connect and relate to students
4) Corrected Papers, gives feed backs
5) Makes class interesting (not vital but helpful)

I suggest you keep up your good work at school and get your Ph.D in Education, so you can help end these problems by teaching the teachers of the future.
 
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