Yes and a lot Mac users don't even use Photoshop. I have many friends and family who are Mac owners. If you asked pretty much all of them about Broadwell and Skylake they would have no idea what you're talking about. If you asked them about Dual Core vs Quad Core you would get the same reaction. The average Mac user only knows very basic stuff. The rMB is perfect for anyone who is in need of a computer that can do everyday tasks. Intensive graphic design or gaming doesn't fall under that category. A professional in that field would already know the rMB wasn't for them and most gamers prefer PC. Therefore anyone complaining about the rMB is just looking for attention or looking for an argument. It's not meant for a small fraction of people. Period.
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Yes and a lot Mac users don't even use Photoshop. I have many friends and family who are Mac owners. If you asked pretty much all of them about Broadwell and Skylake they would have no idea what you're talking about. If you asked them about Dual Core vs Quad Core you would get the same reaction. The average Mac user only knows very basic stuff. The rMB is perfect for anyone who is in need of a computer that can do everyday tasks. Intensive graphic design or gaming doesn't fall under that category. A professional in that field would already know the rMB wasn't for them and most gamers prefer PC. Therefore anyone complaining about the rMB is just looking for attention or looking for an argument. It's not meant for a small fraction of people. Period.
I meant not running it in the sense that you won't be able to do heavy duty work in photo shop using this machine, if your professional your never going to buy this machine to run a thousands of dollars software when you can use the full capabilities of that software at the speed necessary in order to make money
This machine is perfect for people who work with documents, emails, internet.
I'm not going to buy it to run AutoCAD or revit, and I doubt anyone who makes money off using photo shop or the same ilk with use it as there main machine either. Why buy a machine that will do things 10x slower than buying a machine that will do it a lot faster. And a lot of times in the professional world time = money.
This will run photo shop, but the performance will not be to scratch, and you might as well save your money and use other alternative software.
10x slower? Performance will not be to scratch? Do you just make things up as you go along?
If you plan to batch process hundreds of files in Photoshop or run AutoCAD on this machine, you're buying the wrong machine.
After someone rebutted your statements logically, all of the sudden you have changed your tune. You went from making bold statements like the following...
"Poor chipset by today's standards." - Laughably not true.
"You won't be able to use photo shop, or cad software, software that requires machines that are actually powerful." - this is also completely untrue since the computer has plenty of power. Save the CAD argument but I have no clue why anyone building anything in CAD would do so on this machine.
"Right now the chips make it as powerful as your cheap netbook and there is nothing wrong saying that." - There is something wrong with saying that because it's not true. You don't seem to be able to grasp how technology works.
...to making weak statements with hedged language like "heavy" and "professional." How sad a display it has been for you.
I'll just go back to assuming you're making things up as you go along.
Haha, the display is night and day better, it's not even close. It's a game changer like SSD - once you've used it you cannot go back.
The MBA screen was very nice...... in 2011.
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I guess what your typical duties involve.... day to day.
I'm curious.
I've been lurking for quite awhile now reading these threads about the power of the new chip and heres what I can say:
The new processors are the 1.1Ghz 5Y31, 1.2Ghz 5Y51, and 1.3Ghz 5Y71. All of these processors have been reconfigured to apple's standards and have a TDP of 5 watts (instead of the typical 4.5), and with that TDP are able to maintain 9hours battery life. The thing many people are forgetting is that these chips are not only supported by 8GB ram and SSD drives, but they are also being placed on apples new logic board, not to even mention the OS!
So, even if you were to look at similar processors with screens with higher resolutions such as the Yoga 3 Pro (3200x1800) (Macbook is 2304x1440), which runs the older 5Y70 chip running on 4.5 watts, you could only gage that as a lower end expectation of the new MacBooks potential processing power at best. Especially because Lenovo botched the design.
I am a designer who needs to run adobe illustrator regularly and I will be using the 1.3GHz as my main machine.
And stated earlier by another user, if you actually run energy drainage and clock speed analysis of adobe products, they use about the equivalent to safari running several tabs. Even older computers run these programs fine. These are new processors from Intel, to assume they can't run some software is literally insane.
And at the end of the day do you think that apple's going to produce a chipset thats not going to overheat with use? They didn't invest the innovative attention they did to make that kind of a product, and they never have.
As someone else on the form suggested; "Telling me to buy the rMBP instead of buying the rMB due to a power difference is like telling me to buy a Corvette ZR1 over a BMW."
The new processors are the 1.1Ghz 5Y31, 1.2Ghz 5Y51, and 1.3Ghz 5Y71. All of these processors have been reconfigured to apple's standards and have a TDP of 5 watts (instead of the typical 4.5), and with that TDP are able to maintain 9hours battery life. The thing many people are forgetting is that these chips are not only supported by 8GB ram and SSD drives, but they are also being placed on apples new logic board, not to even mention the OS!
So, even if you were to look at similar processors with screens with higher resolutions such as the Yoga 3 Pro (3200x1800) (Macbook is 2304x1440), which runs the older 5Y70 chip running on 4.5 watts, you could only gage that as a lower end expectation of the new MacBooks potential processing power at best. Especially because Lenovo botched the design.
I am a designer who needs to run adobe illustrator regularly and I will be using the 1.3GHz as my main machine.
And stated earlier by another user, if you actually run energy drainage and clock speed analysis of adobe products, they use about the equivalent to safari running several tabs. Even older computers run these programs fine. These are new processors from Intel, to assume they can't run some software is literally insane.
And at the end of the day do you think that apple's going to produce a chipset thats not going to overheat with use? They didn't invest the innovative attention they did to make that kind of a product, and they never have.
As someone else on the form suggested; "Telling me to buy the rMBP instead of buying the rMB due to a power difference is like telling me to buy a Corvette ZR1 over a BMW."
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I just returned an 11" MBA. Yes, it's a dream in terms of weight. The actual footprint on a desk or table isn't as much different as it should be (frickin' bezel
). But the screen is simply unusable IMO. Color is poor and viewing angles are terrible. The display lags when you scroll, unlike the 13" retina display even when set to "more space 2."The dongle for charging and data access is likely to be annoying if you use it much, and it's not clear to me how people like me who have two different HDDs plugged into their laptop are going to make that work with the rMB (will hubs work via the dongle, and how well it works if it does work).
I just returned an 11" MBA. Yes, it's a dream in terms of weight. The actual footprint on a desk or table isn't as much different as it should be (frickin' bezel
The dongle for charging and data access is likely to be annoying if you use it much, and it's not clear to me how people like me who have two different HDDs plugged into their laptop are going to make that work with the rMB (will hubs work via the dongle, and how well it works if it does work).
Your two HDDs should work just fine if you get an adapter and a USB hub. I'm hoping Apple (or some third party) come out with some kind of a docking station type of module. I'd never take it places but I could just leave it at my desk foe when I need lots of peripherals.
There will be plenty of accesories and HUBs available. USB-C isn't like Thunderbolt where it is damn expensive and rather rare to find on computers. You can compare it more or less to the normal USB that we have and you can expect similiar HUBs just with more versatility due to the USB-C standard. There is also no real need to get the Apple dongle. Belkin and all those others will have them ready pretty soon is my guess.
On hubs - my experience may be way out of date, but in early USB 3.0 days the hubs didn't necessarily work very well, especially with multiple drives attached. A lot could have changed since then - here's hoping. I don't mind using the dongle for those occasions. My question is whether it's going to work, and work well, for multiple external drives...
It better work well, or I'll be returning my rMB. I love the portability but at work I must connect to many peripherals at the same time.
Wrong tool for the job. You need an iPad 3!
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I love this expression, I think it's kind of true in many instances.
I definitely think the new MB is more than capable most peoples' everyday tasks. My only concern is the GPU's ability to run scaled resolutions smoothly, we'll see.
I have a 15" rMBP with 16GB RAM because there are situations where that power comes in handy. I frequently run Windows in a VM, I do some light video editing, and I was (and will as soon as LR 6 comes out) working with RAW photos in LR. I could this on a 13" rMBP, but these apps just fly and I appreciate the 15" display.
However, I know some people at my university who buy 15" rMBP and I think they just want to, as you said, "flex their nerd [financial] muscles". One guy in my class just uses Apple's Notes app to take class notes and some other people I was talking to had a MBA said they just use Safari. These people clearly could get by on the MB.
I am figuring that if I run Handbrake I should be able to do Cubanos...wondering if the anti-stick coating on the display will hold up?
This will be my main machine, I am in no way a power user. I'll be getting the 1.2 512 Spacy Grey, Simply Mac gave me $880 for the first retina MacBook 15in base model. Decided it would be easier to just do everything with them vs trying to sell it, and they will have it the 10th (had to be sure of that or would of canceled). I'll be using it mainly for web browsing, viewing videos/movies, listening to music, iTunes syncing the biggest thing I can think of is rooting when I have the occasional android phone and it will easily be able to handle that. Cant wait for the 10th and to be all space greyed out with my phone, tablet, and laptop I know it's silly but it was a factor in deciding to upgrade.
not silly. i have nine macs, all white except my cube and i'm thinking of painting that.
I was planning on the new MacBook being my main machine but I just picked up a refurb MBA. I couldn't pass it up for the price and it has everything i need since im not a heavy user. In about 2 to 3 years time I will upgrade to the new MacBook and it will then be my main machine.
I want to replace my iMac core 2 duo 2.66 for a new macbook as my main computer but need to see how the review go as far as speeds.
I am considering it as the third option. My plan is to do emergency work and quick fixes on Photoshop while on the road. My main computer is a MacPro but I am very curious about the small footprint of the 12".
In the end I will mostly use for Mail, Safari and watching media, so that's why the size is so appealing to me.