Who is Seriously Considering Moving to a Non-Apple Phone?

jblagden said:
If you want awesome specs, check this out: http://www.meizu.com/en/products/pro6/spec.html

Helio X25 10-core processor

ARM® Cortex®-A53™1.4GHz x4 + ARM® Cortex®-A53™ 2.0GHz x4 + ARM® Cortex®-A72™ 2.5GHz x2

ARM Mali-T880 image processor

4 GB LPDDR3 memory

21.16 megapixel camera

3D Press (AKA 3D Touch)

mTouch (AKA Touch ID)​
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Specs only go so far particularly on paper. Apple has shown this year after year. They have stuck with lesser ram, lesser camera mp, dual processors, etc and still manage to hold their own in benchmarks and reviews. I wouldn't hold my breath on the performance of that phone.
 
Already moved to the Samsung Note 7. I've used both OS before and I always go back and forth. I'm not like one of these blind, stupid fuccbois who pledge their allegiance to one company or the other.

I'll return to the iPhone once the bezel on the sides disappear and they improve their screen display.

The iPhone 7 offers nothing of significance to upgrade from the 6S, unless you like to show off and say that you have the newest iPhone. Lol
 
M. Gustave said:
Wired headphones are the tech world equivalent of the buggy whip.

Your iPhone doesn't have USB, Ethernet, FireWire, SCSI, VGA, SD, floppy or CD-ROM drives either. Technology marches on.
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I understand your point, but moving from a standard port to a proprietary port (if you prefer wired headphones) isn't my idea of technology marching on.
 
jblagden said:
I’m curious because, at least for me, the loss of the headphone jack is a big deal-breaker. I think my next smartphone will an an Ubuntu phone. The headphone jack is a very important piece of technology due to its ubiquity, flexibility, and ease of use. Price is also a benefit of the headphone jack; you can get a pair of 3.5mm headphones that sound good enough for $30, while the same is not true with Lighting and Bluetooth headphones due to the need for built-in DACs and amplifiers.

The headphone jack, is the main reason for me wanting to switch to Ubuntu phone. The other reason is the functionality. An Ubuntu phone is much more like having a computer in your pocket, without the limitations Apple puts on iOS devices. Also, having Terminal on my phone would be very useful for work because in my line of work, it can be very useful to be able to use things like SSH, ping, and traceroute, which is something you can’t do on an iPhone.

I won't switch immediately. I’m just thinking about switching in a couple years if the iPhone 7S and the iPhone 8 don’t have a headphone jack.

Who else is thinking about leaving the iPhone? If you’re going to leave the iPhone, which phone operating system would you choose, and why?
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I'm not dependent on 19th century technology.

But that isn't why I am not getting the 7.

I'm not getting the 7 because it's fuglier than my 6s+.

I like a lot of the Android phones, especially HTC. But I hate Android OS. If I ever switch it will be to a Windows Mobile phone.
 
Nope, never. But I'm hoping there are lots of people with your mindset because I make cell phone charms as a little side business on Etsy.
 
jblagden said:
Actually, Apple still sells the 2012 13” MacBook Pro, which has a CD/DVD drive.
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They may still sell one but that's the ONLY one. Point is, they didn't remove it completely and then bring it back
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joeblow7777 said:
As far as being slower, it really doesn't matter. Phones have reached a point that all modern flagships are overpowered for typical users. Who cares if an app opens half a second faster? Even my nearly 2 year old iPhone 6 is still really fast and smooth as far as I'm concerned. The Note 7 also does a lot of things that iPhones don't.

As for the explosions, I've heard that they have delayed shipments to do some extra quality checking, but I don't think that they have recalled units that already shipped. I doubt that the likelihood of a problem is very high on any given unit. It's just their version of a "gate", which is to say, probably blown out of proportion, but they're playing it safe.
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You're probably right, but t's a big enough issue for me to pass on that particular phone.

However there is this: https://www.macrumors.com/2016/09/01/samsung-exploding-batteries-recall-galaxy-note-7/
 
I don't see losing the headphone jack as a big deal, certainly not enough for me to switch to another phone/platform. Apple is still the best out there from a performance, quality, and ecosystem standpoint. All of which are the most important factors to me. Plus, you can get bluetooth headphones for like $20 now. I don't why anyone would want to hold onto wired headphones. Bluetooth technology is fine now and will only get better (Bluetooth 5). The future is not wired, I know that much.
 
M. Gustave said:
Wired headphones are the tech world equivalent of the buggy whip.
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What has come along that offers a better alternative to the average consumer? For people who can hear a difference with lossless music you can already get lightning headphones with their own DAC built in. All of those things that you mention were replaced by something better, the only improvement by switching to proprietary jacks for headphones is extra money for the companies that get to sell everyone new headphones.
 
M. Gustave said:
Wired headphones are the tech world equivalent of the buggy whip.

Your iPhone doesn't have USB, Ethernet, FireWire, SCSI, VGA, SD, floppy or CD-ROM drives either. Technology marches on.
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I think it's more like the tech equivalent of the wheel. It's old and simple, but why would you replace it when nothing has come along that does the job any better? Comparing it to other legacy tech makes no sense because people are still using it. Older tech goes away when something so clearly superior comes along the users abandon the old standard. Nothing has inspired most consumers to give up wired headphones yet.
 
mrkramer said:
I'll stick with older model iPhones that have a headphone jack for a few years and see what direction everyone else goes. In a couple years I'll see what jack can be easily used across devices and go with one that uses it. I don't expect that to be lighting, so Apple probably won't be an option, but they may come around and use a standard.
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There already is a standard. Its called Bluetooth. It's amazing to me how people are interested in reducing cable clutter on just about everything except something that is inconveniently running to their head.
 
joeblow7777 said:
Comparing it to other legacy tech makes no sense because people are still using it. Older tech goes away when something so clearly superior comes along the users abandon the old standard. Nothing has inspired most consumers to give up wired headphones yet.
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There are people out there still using CRT monitors and vga ports too, so what? Technology doesn't change overnight in one massive wave. It's a rolling process, and some company has to lead the way.

The changeover to Bluetooth audio has been ongoing for many years already. I think you're greatly underestimating the current uptake rate.
 
Chew Toy McCoy said:
There already is a standard. Its called Bluetooth. It's amazing to me how people are interested in reducing cable clutter on just about everything except something that is inconveniently running to their head.
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We skip Bluetooth because it has three major failings:
1. Lower audio quality than an analog set in the same price range.
2. A huge pain if you’re going to use a set of Bluetooth headphones with say, your laptop, your iPhone, and your iPad.
3. They have to be charged. It’s difficult to determine when to charge a pair of Bluetooth headphones before they desperately need charging.

Not to mention that with Bluetooth, you have a wireless device attached to your head, irradiating your brain.
 
M. Gustave said:
There are people out there still using CRT monitors and vga ports too, so what? Technology doesn't change overnight in one massive wave. It's a rolling process, and some company has to lead the way.

The changeover to Bluetooth audio has been ongoing for many years already. I think you're greatly underestimating the current uptake rate.
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But again, unlike the other examples, most people are still using wired headphones because there aren't compelling reasons not to.

I've been having this conversation for months now and all I ever get is that it's time to make Bluetooth standard because wired headphones are... Old. As I said, so is the wheel.
 
joeblow7777 said:
But again, unlike the other examples, most people are still using wired headphones because there aren't compelling reasons not to.
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What was the compelling reason to deprecate the CD-ROM drive? Many people still don't have access to high speed internet. The VHS tape? Stereo? (critics saw it as an obvious ploy to sell twice as many speakers and amplifiers).

Most people eventually came to see the advantages, and those that didn't clung to their old tech. There is an obvious advantage to removing a wire tying your head to your phone. The only time I've ever dropped a phone on the street was when the headphone cable got caught on something, and yanked it out of my pocket.
 
M. Gustave said:
What was the compelling reason to deprecate the CD-ROM drive? Many people still don't have access to high speed internet. The VHS tape? Stereo? (critics saw it as an obvious ploy to sell twice as many speakers and amplifiers).

Most people eventually came to see the advantages, and those that didn't clung to their old tech. There is an obvious advantage to removing a wire tying your head to your phone. The only time I've ever dropped a phone on the street was when the headphone cable got caught on something, and yanked it out of my pocket.
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That's the one advantage to losing the wire. On the other hand, there's having to charge your headphones and the arguably inferior sound quality, meaning, less convenient and poorer performance of the one thing that headphones are supposed to do.

I fully understand that for you and no doubt many others it's more than a fair trade off. But for many it's not. Which is why I say there is no clear advantage, because arguably the pros and cons cancel out. Unlike, say, VHS to DVD and other tech transitions where the advantages completely outweigh any disadvantages. There's no reason to push everyone to switch to wireless because some people can't deal with a wire (no offence). Phones have supported Bluetooth for years. There's no reason to eliminate choice in the matter.
 
Paying $650+ for a phone, but finding your price limit for headphones only $30 seems kind of silly, especially when music seems to be really important to you. Buy yourself a good pair of Bluetooth headphones and treat them right. They'll last you several years and you can use them with any phone, regardless of whether they have a headphone jack or not, a lightning port or a type-C port, etc.
 
jblagden said:
I seriously doubt they’ll all ditch the headphone jack. Some might, but I really think most won’t. Admittedly, I also think that what’ll probably happen with the iPhone is that the iPhone 7 will sell poorly due to the absence of the headphone jack and then Apple will bring back the headphone jack with the iPhone 7S.
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Android isn’t the only alternative. There’s also Ubuntu Touch, which is what I’m thinking about switching to: http://www.ubuntu.com/phone
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It's an ancient port and all manufactures will start getting rid of it in 2-3 years after they spend the first year making fun of Apple for removing it.

Bluetooth is really starting to mature and this push will reallly advance the tech behind it.
 
To all of the people complaining that Apple doesn't innovate, well here is innovation. Remove old technology and replace it with the future. You can't please some people.
 
chrisforpm said:
To all of the people complaining that Apple doesn't innovate, well here is innovation. Remove old technology and replace it with the future. You can't please some people.
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Removing something ubiquitous is not innovation. Making a tiny cylindrical workstation which can’t house hard drives and can’t get a GPU upgrade, nope. Being the only computer company to put Thunderbolt in almost of all of its computers right from the start, that’s another matter. But taking away something everyone uses, has used, and will likely continue to use for decades - that’s not innovation - that just makes customers more likely to buy expensive headphones while they’re in the Apple Store right after they buy an iPhone 7 and realize either the headphones aren’t in the box or sound terrible.
 
jblagden said:
Removing something ubiquitous is not innovation. Making a tiny cylindrical workstation which can’t house hard drives and can’t get a GPU upgrade, nope. Being the only computer company to put Thunderbolt in almost of all of its computers right from the start, that’s another matter. But taking away something everyone uses, has used, and will likely continue to use for decades - that’s not innovation - that just makes customers more likely to buy expensive headphones while they’re in the Apple Store right after they buy an iPhone 7 and realize either the headphones aren’t in the box or sound terrible.
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I doubt the 3.5 mm headphone jack will be around for decades to come. It's old technology, being replaced by Bluetooth. One could argue its innovative since no one else is doing it. It has the potential to force the standard from jack to wireless and become mainstream.

Once Apple does it and becomes accepted watch other phone manufacturers follow suit.
 
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