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Discussion in 'MacBook Pro' started by Newtons Apple, Jan 9, 2017.
After reading about all the troubles I find myself unable to hit the "buy" button.
Honestly, I find these devices too expensive. I'd have too high of expectations and I'd find every flaw with it.
If you're second guessing it, there is a reason. People ignore their gut feeling then complain.
If you can wait, I would.
I returned mine and gonna wait for next refresh\update.
What is stopping you guys from going ahead with the purchase ? Just trying to see if ya'all points match with mine !
I am waiting because I already have a 2015 15" rMBP with dGPU. It runs fine but has a lesser screen and no USB-C. Also, I prefer it's keyboard to the new keyboard.
My thoughts at this point are there seem to be a number of minor issues that need to shake out with the new MBPs and the market in general. These include battery issues, dGPU video issues, availability of a good dock solutions, and more USB-C peripherals. I also want to see if Kaby Lake helps with 4K video playback. My plan is to re-evaluating an upgraded when 2017 refresh occurs.
Are we sure 2017 there would be a Kaby Lake refresh for sure??
They're about £500 more expensive than they should be, IMO. It's a shame, really, as I really liked them, but couldn't justify keeping mine.
Bought the 2015 15" model to hold me over for 3+ years.
Yep, I cancelled my early order but have not ordered again.
There is never a guarantee of that, but given that Intel presented at CES the high power KabyLake chips used by the MBP, I think the chances are high.
And other companies are moving forward. Microsoft previously stated they would update the Surface Line with the new chips in 2017.
The 2016 15" is a better computer than the 2015. Better screen, dGPU, battery life, SSD speed, external monitor support, runs cooler, quieter, better speakers, Touch ID, touch bar, size/weight. Much more powerful ports. Whether those are worth the difference in price is a subjective thing, but they do cost money to produce.
I've tried two different 2016 15" versions; the base and the mid-level. Both were returned in favor of the 2015, which is a superior overall experience for me. Plug and play, no need to replace cables or deal with dongles, no touchbar (a useless distraction to me), better battery life (yes, really), better keyboard, better trackpad, and better appearance (subjectively). Oh, and none of the bugs and annoyances of the 2016 versions (graphics glitches, battery, poor trackpad palm/wrist rejection, etc.).
I'd wait for at least the 2017, assuming Apple can extract its head and grace everyone with what should be in the 15" MB to begin with.
Still waiting for mine to get to my local Apple Store (13 inch, TouchBar, 512 gb, 16gb RAM). Despite all of the negativity, I'm still remaining optimistic about my purchase thus far (granted, I didn't pay full price) but I still won't hesitate to return it if it's not completely to my liking. The few of the Apple Store employees were honest about the battery life issue, and the one guy he's only seen a few people have weird issues & all of them were the 15 inch models.
I was gonna wait for Kaby Lake after reading a few of the first impressions/reviews but changed my mine for a few reasons:
1.) My current Air is getting pretty long in the tooth (see my sig). Really tired of my drive always reaching max capacity and being tied to wall because of the battery.
2.) The Touch Bar pro's won't be coming down in price for a long time. Maybe they'll knock off $200 across the line in the next revision but frankly, I'm more inclined to part with the $200 now then stick with my current machine. People forget that the Retina machines were expensive when the they first came out ($2199 for the 15 inch and & $1699 for the 13 inch, with the same HD 4000 graphics as my Air pushing nearly twice as many pixels, LOL). It was only over time that they became more "reasonable".
3.) Kaby Lake will only be a minor improvement at best over the current machines. Longer Battery life? Sure, maybe 30-45 minutes. Better graphics? Slightly. Faster CPU? Hardly.
The belief that the 2015 15" has better battery life than the 2016 is common but mistaken, according to objective tests. Both Ars Technica and Notebook Check applied the same tests to both models when new, and found that for normal use the new model has better battery life.
The other points made in favor of the 2015 model are mostly based on subjective preferences, and not preferences shared by most people.
Battery life on the two different 2016s I've tried was objectively worse than on the Mid-2015 and Mid-2014 15" models I have.
Doing exactly the same tasks, the 2015 did best, lasting 7 hours and 6 minutes, followed by the 2014 at 6 hours 32 minutes; the base 15" 2016 at 5 hours and 2 minutes, and finally the mid-level 2016, which lasted 4 hours and 10 minutes.
We'd all be interested to see the data behind your assertions, which are, as written, factually baseless.
Concerning objectivity, I think it's generally best to accept controlled tests done by experts. Many new MBP owners have made mistakes in how they test battery life, such as doing it while indexing is running in the background. I have no idea under what conditions your comparison was made, but it's contrary to the results obtained by experts.
You can easily verify for yourself whether most people share your subjective preferences by reading what other people say in forums like this. See, for example, the current discussion of the keyboards, or older discussions of the trackpads.
Don't thing so, indexing also working on old machine and mistakes already apply on old versions, as premium price of new MacBook, most people use it for professional task found it worst. If professional upgrade their system, they get some improvement such as speed and light, better speakers and faster graphic but no reason for paid upgrade especially for working need face up the quality and non-stable,
however only P3 screen is the most factor for upgrade.
The power reduce because 14nm introduced, but the battery performance reduced by battery smaller.
Skylake can be long battery performance for normal task because reduce of idle power and more precision frequency control but for professional usage it not help.
Evec, it's true the new battery is smaller, nonetheless tests show better battery life for the new machines for normal use. For heavy-duty tasks, the two machines are closer. But neither machine will last long for heavy-duty use on battery, so most people don't count on them for that.
New models do typically have some additional problems at first, but they generally get fixed soon enough.
What's worth paying more for depends on one's needs. If one does video editing, for example, the 2016 is a big improvement over last year's model, especially the one that lacks a dGPU. But it's mostly smaller things that change from year to year.
I will not buy all apple products again. I have some Apple product. They all coming with hardware issue.
Mbp Early 2009 13", kernel panic, replace hdd cable. Now dead wifi/bluetooth and speaker.
Mbp Early 2011 15", discrette graphics issue. Need 2-4 months if following Apple replace program, mbp going to Singapore. 1-2 weeks if replace graphics chipset (same type, but newer product, 2012/2013) by local technician.
Slow (it's really slow, firmware update not helping) router Airport Extreme is replacing by Mikrotik.... $50 router with full of feature.
Mac Pro Late 2013 (buying at 2015), can't turn on after update from 10.9.5 to 10.11.5, then clean install 10.12.2, the problem still there. Power supply issue?
Yes, it's make no sense.
Just curious, how did you get the clean install done if you couldn't start it? I feel bad for the hard luck you've had with your machines.
As always, tricky to say what Apple will do when with MBP upgrades. Intuitively, seeing the diminished space devoted to computers at Apple Stores in Osaka and Tokyo (and big box outfits) to make room for iPhones, iPads and watches, seems like MBP will not play a big part in Apple's near-term strategy. Probably the most we can hope for soon will be quiet QA improvements in the hardware and not-so-quiet OS fixes to accommodate MBP glitches. As someone hoping to pull the trigger in the next few months, I'd be content with that.
We would similarly be interested in learning the factual basis for your claim that "many" MBP owners "made mistakes" when testing battery life.
We'll wait . . .
Oh, none? Of course not.
Henceforth, anything you write will be summarily ignored, as you can't be bothered to address facts. Or perhaps Consumer Reports "made mistakes" in their testing of the new MBP, but not in the hundreds of others they've tested?
As for forums providing a check on what "most" people prefer:
The plain fact that many have tested their battery life while indexing was ongoing, relied on the "time remaining" figure, and have made other errors has been well established in these forums, which you're free to verify for yourself.
Consumer Reports' results don't contradict anything I've said, as far as I've seen. If you think they do, please quote them. Thanks.
Again, you can easily verify the objective facts by checking the results of those who know what they're doing, or for subjective matters, what others actually say. Good luck.
Ordered it, cancelled it and then thought...it is not that important anymore. The MacBook 12" is good enough for most people except 3D modeling, video and panorama montage. All my 13" and 15" has been hooked up to an external monitor, so better off with Mac Pro and MacBook 12.
Out of all the stuff Apple has released after Jobs departure, the MacBook is the most revolutionary product because of the weight, thinness and that it is noiseless. It's the computer I wanted since I first bought a Mac in 2006. Finally a computer that I like to bring with me.
Not even a kilo.
Waiting. Trying to wait patiently, but I'm reading forums like a lunatic.
The new MBPs look great and I want one - especially comparing my 2008 MB screen to my iPhone7 screen: I'm ready already. I would like the complaints over the battery to settle down and any firmware updates or software optimizations to come through and convince me that the new machine can be a long-term machine for me.
It would be great if I could get a replacement before this one melts down or becomes intolerable to use. On the other hand, if I could drag it to 9 years (in good condition), I would feel like a bad ass.
In the mean time, I tried to improve my 2008 MB by cleaning under the keys. I read about how I could snap the keys off, clean under them, and snap them back on again. Don't do that. They snap off and they snap back on, but my typing has been greatly compromised. I'm an idiot.
Yes, i thing so. The best device of near years is MB12 and iPhone 5s/SE.
I have 2015 mb12 in my home, this is my only one device, it can fulfill almost our need, only restrict is long compile time for working for programming of large project.
I wish to upgrade with MBP but this overpiced and so many issue, also OSX become much more bug.
However, the Windows side also is poor, the Windows 10 OS is very worst. I try to found a machine that may run Linux, but PC laptop also have much bug such as XPS have a huge bug and the cost down so much, use TLC ssd........
The mbpr is good if fixed the initial bug and reduce price, it just overprice especially touch model.