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Who left Lion, and reverted to SL?
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I have tried Lion, but when I found out that I was unable to play certain games, I downgraded again. I did keep the Lion wallpaper 
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I stayed with Lion. However, I have noticed a fair share of annoying bugs. I'm just hoping Apple releases updates soon. I also hope Apple works on better migration of dual monitors and full screen apps.
All the bugs (or annoying things) I've notice so far:
1)iMovie audio issues when editing video
2)Disk Utility Partition issues with my Drobo
3)Mouse pointer sometimes just disappears
4)Super slow boot and shutdown times
5)When closing my MBP and opening it back up, the wifi does not automatically connect
Those are all the ones I can remember off the top of my head.
All the bugs (or annoying things) I've notice so far:
1)iMovie audio issues when editing video
2)Disk Utility Partition issues with my Drobo
3)Mouse pointer sometimes just disappears
4)Super slow boot and shutdown times
5)When closing my MBP and opening it back up, the wifi does not automatically connect
Those are all the ones I can remember off the top of my head.
As with any new OS X release, I really wanted to like 10.7. And it certainly some handy features and improvements over 10.6. Still, I reverted back to 10.6 on my main machine. Reasons:
3) Slower than Snow Leopard on same machine. Fans kicking in earlier/more often.
2) Address Book & iCal dumbed down: While I certainly don't like it, it's not really the new look. Apple just made 2 of my top 7 most used Mac apps more cumbersome to use than their Snow Leopard precedessors. I have about 15 different calendars in iCal. I need to be able to toggle them on/off quickly in order to make sense of it all. Likewise, I have several address book groups - the previous 3-column layout is just so much more efficient.
1) Rubber-band scrolling: Granted, I may be extra-sensitive about this*, but it is just driving me crazy.
In Finder windows I want to see a folder's contents - no more, no less.
In Safari I want to view web pages - no more, no less.
When I scroll, I want to be able to scroll to the ends of a web pages or Finder lists - but not friggin' "beyond" that!
When I reach the end of a scrollable area, just stand still, thank you very much!
Not only is there no point in temporarily showing me greyish empty space.
No, Lion even moves part of the actual contents of a scrollable area farther out of sight than necessary, only to have them "bounce back" with some silly animation!
* A few weeks ago, I just practically lost my eyesight on one eye.
My other eye felt noticeably more strained due to Lion's rubber-band effect with its superfluous movements and animations.
(Not making this up. My eyes are used to quickly moving with content. I had a habit of skimming trough text and scrolling faster than anyone I know. And I still do. I'm neither old or slow yet.)
3) Slower than Snow Leopard on same machine. Fans kicking in earlier/more often.
2) Address Book & iCal dumbed down: While I certainly don't like it, it's not really the new look. Apple just made 2 of my top 7 most used Mac apps more cumbersome to use than their Snow Leopard precedessors. I have about 15 different calendars in iCal. I need to be able to toggle them on/off quickly in order to make sense of it all. Likewise, I have several address book groups - the previous 3-column layout is just so much more efficient.
1) Rubber-band scrolling: Granted, I may be extra-sensitive about this*, but it is just driving me crazy.
In Finder windows I want to see a folder's contents - no more, no less.
In Safari I want to view web pages - no more, no less.
When I scroll, I want to be able to scroll to the ends of a web pages or Finder lists - but not friggin' "beyond" that!
When I reach the end of a scrollable area, just stand still, thank you very much!
Not only is there no point in temporarily showing me greyish empty space.
No, Lion even moves part of the actual contents of a scrollable area farther out of sight than necessary, only to have them "bounce back" with some silly animation!
* A few weeks ago, I just practically lost my eyesight on one eye.
My other eye felt noticeably more strained due to Lion's rubber-band effect with its superfluous movements and animations.
(Not making this up. My eyes are used to quickly moving with content. I had a habit of skimming trough text and scrolling faster than anyone I know. And I still do. I'm neither old or slow yet.)
LION!!! The beachballs are increasing when I use Safari. Especially when visiting certain sites (cough GIZMODO cough). I have had to force quit more times than I'd like (uhh, I'd like none at all) and it's pretty irritating. Other than that, Overall I love the OS so far and find it just as useable as SL. The gestures work well for me and my laptop runs fast with it. A few software updates to squash the bugs and It'll be great.
The issues with colour profiles I've run into so far:
a) the i1 display tools aren't supported in Lion. I've been using my SL calibrated profiles. They don't appear to have fixed issues with UI elements turning too purple either.
b) I can't for the life of me figure out how to apply a different profile to each display. Whatever I do ends up in the same profile being applied across both displays. Completely unacceptable. See: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3190334?start=0&tstart=0
Most of the finder stuff is just preference as opposed to anything that will severely impact usability. At this stage. Lack of shortcuts to network drives and Mac HD etc in the sidebar (but I was able to restore most of this with preferences).
The finder prefs for trying to get unified views across all finder windows have kinda taken one step forward, and then the same one step back. It's basically no different to what it was in Snow Leopard - you can't pre-set a consistent view for all the finder windows you will ever open.
I also had issues with SMB shares - it's just unreliable at this stage. Had to restart multiple times per day because my system would just sit there with a spinning indicator trying to load directory listings. This may be due to our server not being officially Windows (linux samba), or some issue with our setup/config - but either way, Snow Leopard had less problems.
Interestingly I love it on the iPhone. It's smooth as silk and feels natural.
I hated it on Lion. I'm generally not one to get motion sick, but that's the closest thing I can describe. It just felt like it was screwing with the speed of my using the computer, and it was a little stuttery - so I couldn't help but get the feeling that it was wasting resources/cpu/battery/WHY
As much as I like a clean look - it certainly makes entries harder to identify. At least you can now change the sidebar icons' size. (Though the preference should definitely NOT be hidden in System Preferences rather than Finder preferences, as it affects Finder but not other programs like iTunes.)
To be fair, happy campers are unlikely to open, let alone to vote and contribute to this thread.
Why do you say that, I made it a completely non biased poll?
Would you word it differently?
None of our polls are scientific since they rely on people to actually 1) go onto this website, 2) read the poll, and 3) respond to it. People who go to a site like this tend to be more tech savvy. In order to get a better sense we'd need to poll a randomized sample of Lion users and ask them.
It's not the wording but a selection bias, as pointed by the previous poster.
Case in point: If I were completely happy with Lion, I would probably have missed this thread and not have voted here. I have been an occasional reader/poster for a while but I am certainly frequenting this forums much more than usually - researching ways to fix things on my Lion install.
And then, working for an Apple reseller and supporting my family in all things Mac, I know a ton of people who have never ever registered as a user in an internet computer forum, let alone a foreign-language one (macrumors.com). Most of these people simply never use or notice many of the things mentioned in this thread. They don't use Spaces, Expose, dual monitors, Samba, NAS storage and the like.
My mom hardly notices anything to be "different" since I upgraded her computer to Lion. If anything, "the internet now reopens the pages just as they were before she turned the computer off" (Resume/Safari) and she now can "make video calls with her son easily" (Facetime). So for her, "the new program" (Lion) is certainly better than the old one.
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It's not the wording but a selection bias, as pointed by the previous poster.
Case in point: If I were completely happy with Lion, I would probably have missed this thread and not have voted here. I have been an occasional reader/poster for a while but I am certainly frequenting this forums much more than usually - researching ways to fix things on my Lion install.
And then, working for an Apple reseller and supporting my family in all things Mac, I know a ton of people who have never ever registered as a user in an internet computer forum, let alone a foreign-language one (macrumors.com). Most of these people simply never use or notice many of the things mentioned in this thread. They don't use Spaces, Expose, dual monitors, Samba, NAS storage and the like.
My mom hardly notices anything to be "different" since I upgraded her computer to Lion. If anything, "the internet now reopens the pages just as they were before she turned the computer off" (Resume/Safari) and she now can "make video calls with her son easily" (Facetime). So for her, "the new program" (Lion) is certainly better than the old one.
Good points, and taken. I do suspect though that being with the tech savvy forum; at least we get people who are more OCD with their macs.
Hence, we beat it up pretty bad.If Apple doesn't get the SMB shares issue resolved, I'm switching back. My wife has had a few bugs and I can feel the heat of "why did you upgrade my iMac?" (because she's noticed some oddballs issues too).
I'm thinking Apple may correct my sharing issues with my Windows computers. But if they don't, I'm reverting back to Snow Leopard.
I like some things (Mail, look of address book and calendar, etc.) but not sure if I want to live with my sharing problems.
I'm thinking Apple may correct my sharing issues with my Windows computers. But if they don't, I'm reverting back to Snow Leopard.
I like some things (Mail, look of address book and calendar, etc.) but not sure if I want to live with my sharing problems.
I had to go back.. It was making my macbook really slow.. kept on getting the beachball, funny how I wasn't getting this hardly ever in SL.
Our company has advised not upgrading to Lion just yet, so I'm waiting for an update to 10.7 before trying again. Snow Leopard and the MacBook Pro 2010 models just seem made for each other, and I've managed to find alternate applications to make up for the downgrade:
DropCopy to replace AirDrop
QuickPick is a fine Launchpad, allowing selection of desired application icons in your preferred format
BetterTouchTool has been set up to provide three-finger swiping gestures for Spaces and Exposé
The most important reason for downgrading was lack of CoolBook support and a 20% (minimum) reduction in battery life.
DropCopy to replace AirDrop
QuickPick is a fine Launchpad, allowing selection of desired application icons in your preferred format
BetterTouchTool has been set up to provide three-finger swiping gestures for Spaces and Exposé
The most important reason for downgrading was lack of CoolBook support and a 20% (minimum) reduction in battery life.
I just reinstalled SL on my son's new 13" MBP (luckily, it came with SL disks, just prior to Lion launch). He's leaving for college in a few weeks and the MBP won't enter sleep mode without closing the lid/choosing sleep from the 
menu; for us, this is the single biggest reason to go back to SL.
If they get the problem worked out in 10.7.1, will probably upgrade over winter break.
I'm keeping Lion on my late 2008 15" MBP, as I am not having the sleep issue since I removed iStat from my machine.
menu; for us, this is the single biggest reason to go back to SL. If they get the problem worked out in 10.7.1, will probably upgrade over winter break.
I'm keeping Lion on my late 2008 15" MBP, as I am not having the sleep issue since I removed iStat from my machine.
Love Lion. Zero problems. Unlike some "pro's" I can accept change, and it has been for the better.
If you like the keyboard, try cmd + ~ instead of expose. Personally, I miss spaces more than expose.
This is an easy one line fix in terminal. Google for it.
I'm running Lion on my mbp and don't have any issues. There are things I don't like about it, like Launchpad and natural scrolling, but I just don't use those. Everything else seems to be working fine.
On my iMac, however, I'm still on SL. My wife hates change and if I were to upgrade it to Lion she would not like it. Once she gets use to it on the mbp then I'll upgrade the iMac to Lion.
On my iMac, however, I'm still on SL. My wife hates change and if I were to upgrade it to Lion she would not like it. Once she gets use to it on the mbp then I'll upgrade the iMac to Lion.