I went beyond a simple downgrade to Snow Leopard... I switched my primary operating system to Ubuntu Linux, relegating my Mac to a secondary computer role. That's how fed up with Lion's bugs I was.
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Who left Lion, and reverted to SL?
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I installed Snow Leopard in the weekend and it's great being able to run ALL Mac software and my Mac works much better.
And my system doesn't hog anymore like Lion did when multitasking with 4 gb of Ram.
Also Finder and gestures works with Snow Leopard much better, Lion was giving me headaches with it's inconsistent gestures ( sometimes 2 finger swipes, but with an other Application you needed to use 3 finger swipes for the same thing. And I was really fighting with the new Finder alot. I just don't like it )
The only good things that Lion adds for me is Launchpad and Mission Control. But I rather have a better computer than having Launchpad and Mission Control.
And my system doesn't hog anymore like Lion did when multitasking with 4 gb of Ram.
Also Finder and gestures works with Snow Leopard much better, Lion was giving me headaches with it's inconsistent gestures ( sometimes 2 finger swipes, but with an other Application you needed to use 3 finger swipes for the same thing. And I was really fighting with the new Finder alot. I just don't like it )
The only good things that Lion adds for me is Launchpad and Mission Control. But I rather have a better computer than having Launchpad and Mission Control.
Well, looks like the thread is going to take a turn. We SN users may be forced to update to Lion, irregardless of our wants with this new MM/iCloud/Lack of SL support fiasco.
Who would of thought to remain on a stable OS that we would revert to using VMWare/windows, to keep our contacts/calendars and mail in sync? irony at it's finest.
Nice job Cloud team @apple- pat yourself's on the back
/sarcasm
Who would of thought to remain on a stable OS that we would revert to using VMWare/windows, to keep our contacts/calendars and mail in sync? irony at it's finest.
Nice job Cloud team @apple- pat yourself's on the back
/sarcasm
I think Lion is pretty snappy from what I have used so far. Not many problems, except for maybe when iCloud is loading on Safari, it cause the heat to go up and fans to start spinning louder. iCloud is quite unstable at the moment too, so probably not Lion's problem.
Mission control and the gestures work quite well. so I am definitely sticking with Lion
Mission control and the gestures work quite well. so I am definitely sticking with Lion
How is the .2 release? Did you test finder hard to see if you can connect to other folders on networked machines?
etc...
did not know they even released .2 tbh
Yes 10.7.2 seems to run far better. In fact, I daresay it runs well enough that I am not thinking about downgrading anymore Especially with the recent iCloud release...
They seem to have fixed the Safari memory issues as well, which were my biggest concern.
Especially with the recent iCloud release...They seem to have fixed the Safari memory issues as well, which were my biggest concern.
Yes 10.7.2 seems to run far better. In fact, I daresay it runs well enough that I am not thinking about downgrading anymore
They seem to have fixed the Safari memory issues as well, which were my biggest concern.
True. 10.7.2 runs better on my mini. Safari also seems more responsive. I still prefer SL so I haven't switched over my other Macs. iCloud is a non-issue to me.
I don't see any reason to put my data on iCloud. I'd rather have it stored locally even with a non-iTunes identity for iCloud.
I don't have a network..
CS5 runs fine
Wacom works
Battery life is back
Safari mem leak is fixed
Those were my complaints
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I never really had problems with the Lion bugs being cited here from the first 2 releases. (Or they were so minor I worked around them).
My issues are the design implementation of Spaces/Expose which will never change unless a 3rd party provides something better so that's moot.
That said, iCloud is what I needed. Finally iCal ToDo's (reminders) actually go to my iPhone with iOS5. I still think Snow Leopard isn't as bloated and is much more responsive. Especially for those of us that don't have SSD's. (Which is what Lion is really meant for).
My issues are the design implementation of Spaces/Expose which will never change unless a 3rd party provides something better so that's moot.
That said, iCloud is what I needed. Finally iCal ToDo's (reminders) actually go to my iPhone with iOS5. I still think Snow Leopard isn't as bloated and is much more responsive. Especially for those of us that don't have SSD's. (Which is what Lion is really meant for).
Any business users finding prime time w/Lion .2 update and folder sharing and networking in windows environments? Better yet?
I am sticking with Lion. I have found solutions to most of my problems. I still don't like mission control, I think is a step backwards but I can live with it.
10.7.2 didn't touch any of the windows sharing issues we were having.
I called AppleCare (edit: months ago) with my issue and the rep was able to reproduce it on his setup. He said it would be fixed in an update. I also gave Apple feedback on their site too.
Maybe the 3rd time is the charm (10.7.3)?
Roger that, Thanks very much for that info. No upgrade for me still, no iCloud for iPhone 4S, and will cross fingers for iCloud SL support I suppose.
Man, I just can't get over how they let this networking issue just slide- absolutely unbelievable.
I never went to Lion because of how bad the reviews and whatnot made it out to be. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure is a great update to snow leopard, but personally I like spaces and exposé, and I don't really think I can get by without that.
Im not a pro or a novice, I don't use my Mac for 'business' but I do use it for work ( a lot of it online )
YES it does have issues that wind me up, However, It does feel like a good OS with a lot of potential!
Im staying with Lion in the hope that the bugs get ironed out soon.
Saying all that, Up until a year ago I was an Avid Windows user, So "Waiting" on a more stable update is something Ive grown used to to over the years lol!
I reverted back to XP many times, HATED vista, And Liked 7 but at that point was getting bored.
So far I've only used Leopard on my eMac and the Jump to Lion for me has been ok, Apart from using the use of some apps and some quirky little bugs.
YES it does have issues that wind me up, However, It does feel like a good OS with a lot of potential!
Im staying with Lion in the hope that the bugs get ironed out soon.
Saying all that, Up until a year ago I was an Avid Windows user, So "Waiting" on a more stable update is something Ive grown used to to over the years
lol!I reverted back to XP many times, HATED vista, And Liked 7 but at that point was getting bored.
So far I've only used Leopard on my eMac and the Jump to Lion for me has been ok, Apart from using the use of some apps and some quirky little bugs.
I think I said this before... but I went from 10.6.8 to 10.7, then back to 10.6.8 and again to 10.7.1, and then back again to 10.6.8, then recently to 10.7.2 for a brief period of... 4 days, before finally going back to 10.6.8 again just 2 days ago.
I just can't tolerate 10.7, I guess. Spotlight indexing grinds me the wrong way every reinstall, even though it only takes approximately 40 minutes to finish. Battery life is really bad under Lion, and I can barely maintain 5 hours of regular usage, or 6 hours while nitpicking through a PDF. I can get 10 hours without trying under Snow Leopard.
The rest is just silly small bugs with third-party softwares and handling multiple monitors and so on. I could tolerate those, but bad battery life is something I can't tolerate on my Macbook.
I just can't tolerate 10.7, I guess. Spotlight indexing grinds me the wrong way every reinstall, even though it only takes approximately 40 minutes to finish. Battery life is really bad under Lion, and I can barely maintain 5 hours of regular usage, or 6 hours while nitpicking through a PDF. I can get 10 hours without trying under Snow Leopard.
The rest is just silly small bugs with third-party softwares and handling multiple monitors and so on. I could tolerate those, but bad battery life is something I can't tolerate on my Macbook.
I was going to b/c I couldn't watch youtube vids but I just did a software update and got lion version 10.7.2 and tis working great now.
Downgraded, recently. I just can't be with an OS that makes my computer screen go black randomly whenever I am using it. Not to mention the long list of annoyances and "features" that just hinder usability and productivity. As well as the overall slowness of the system. My day has already been brighter after leaving Lion.
I wonder, has anyone successfully imported the mailboxes from Lion's Mail into Snow Leopard's?
I wonder, has anyone successfully imported the mailboxes from Lion's Mail into Snow Leopard's?
I originally voted to stick with Lion but I've changed my mind. I've rolled 3 Macs back to snowy.
I won't be upgrading my design firm's Macs to Lion until they fix the issue of not being able to use multiple custom color profiles on dual monitor setups.
There are workarounds that you can do every time you connect, reconnect, bootup, etc, but that is a workaround that we don't have time for. This is a pretty huge issue for those of us in the design and photography field. Whether Lion will play nice with the rest of our hardware remains to be seen, but without the aforementioned issue being addressed I'm not willing to find out.
There are workarounds that you can do every time you connect, reconnect, bootup, etc, but that is a workaround that we don't have time for. This is a pretty huge issue for those of us in the design and photography field. Whether Lion will play nice with the rest of our hardware remains to be seen, but without the aforementioned issue being addressed I'm not willing to find out.
WOW! What an amaizing number of Apple customers dumped their latest OS version. 31% is fairly too much.
Lion is actually not the next Vista. It looks to be even worst.
As for me, how could I imagine about 3 and a half years ago when I went to the Mac Store for my first Mac ever... I had a perfectly running Slackware GNU+Linux dual booting with FreeBSD on my PC. A PC that was way better than the overpriced Mac Mini that I've bought. I had Asus mobo, Corsair DDR3 memory, 1TB WD SATA hdd, Plextor DVD writer, Nvidia 8600 video card and DVB Tuner on my self-build system which costed me no more than 400. And I went for a big downgrade of a late 2007 Mac Mini hardware just to be able to run Mac OS X natively and not cheat Apple by not hacking their OS which I liket at this time. It WAS exactly Mac OS X that drived me to buy my Mac. It WAS power-user friendly then. Leopard just worked like my GNU+Linux but was a bit more user-friendly. Day after day I've noticed the real limitations of choosing Apple's platform for day-to-day usage. However with Lion the limitations went way further making me frustrated. My OS had to decide which downloads are safe for me (hello MacDefender), I had to download latest software at Mac Application Store and thus I had to register for Apple account, because some developers migrated from regular and secure HTTP downloads to MAS downloads. Who is Apple to decide what software should I run on my OWN computer? Not to end here: Lion is even more limited using a classic mouse as HID. I've just spent 30 for a slowly running and even more limited OS than befor and now Apple is willing me to spent yet another 70 for a Magic Trackpad (though dunno where is the magic of this space-eating device).
Well this was all enough to just say NO. I've downloaded latest netinst version of Debian GNU/Linux from one of the thousands mirrors worldwire. It is free in every sense of the word FREE. I've deployed it on my Mac Mini and now my 3 and a half years old computer is living a new life. It runs pretty faster than using Lion. All hardware is working like champain... Yes, even my Apple Remote, my Wireless Keyboard, temperature sensors etc. GNOME is not as bloated as Lion and it never drops my Wireless connection. 64 bit Opera for GNU/Linux is working faster than its 32 bit Mac OS Version.
I am completely satisified from my swith back to GNU/Linux and think that I will never again make the same mistake - buying anything other from Apple and getting into their deadly loop of constant paid software upgrades and hardware upgrades. I'm saving my money just on the verge of the next economic depression which is already coming.
I've registered here just to post how screwed and ripped I feel by spending my money on Mac OS Lion and this should be my last message here. I hope that it helps some of Apple consumers to take their decision without feeling fscked up just like me. It is never late to bring software freedom back to your computer. Reconquer your own computer now and say no to proprietary software with all of its limitations!
Lion is actually not the next Vista. It looks to be even worst.
As for me, how could I imagine about 3 and a half years ago when I went to the Mac Store for my first Mac ever... I had a perfectly running Slackware GNU+Linux dual booting with FreeBSD on my PC. A PC that was way better than the overpriced Mac Mini that I've bought. I had Asus mobo, Corsair DDR3 memory, 1TB WD SATA hdd, Plextor DVD writer, Nvidia 8600 video card and DVB Tuner on my self-build system which costed me no more than 400. And I went for a big downgrade of a late 2007 Mac Mini hardware just to be able to run Mac OS X natively and not cheat Apple by not hacking their OS which I liket at this time. It WAS exactly Mac OS X that drived me to buy my Mac. It WAS power-user friendly then. Leopard just worked like my GNU+Linux but was a bit more user-friendly. Day after day I've noticed the real limitations of choosing Apple's platform for day-to-day usage. However with Lion the limitations went way further making me frustrated. My OS had to decide which downloads are safe for me (hello MacDefender), I had to download latest software at Mac Application Store and thus I had to register for Apple account, because some developers migrated from regular and secure HTTP downloads to MAS downloads. Who is Apple to decide what software should I run on my OWN computer? Not to end here: Lion is even more limited using a classic mouse as HID. I've just spent 30 for a slowly running and even more limited OS than befor and now Apple is willing me to spent yet another 70 for a Magic Trackpad (though dunno where is the magic of this space-eating device).
Well this was all enough to just say NO. I've downloaded latest netinst version of Debian GNU/Linux from one of the thousands mirrors worldwire. It is free in every sense of the word FREE. I've deployed it on my Mac Mini and now my 3 and a half years old computer is living a new life. It runs pretty faster than using Lion. All hardware is working like champain... Yes, even my Apple Remote, my Wireless Keyboard, temperature sensors etc. GNOME is not as bloated as Lion and it never drops my Wireless connection. 64 bit Opera for GNU/Linux is working faster than its 32 bit Mac OS Version.
I am completely satisified from my swith back to GNU/Linux and think that I will never again make the same mistake - buying anything other from Apple and getting into their deadly loop of constant paid software upgrades and hardware upgrades. I'm saving my money just on the verge of the next economic depression which is already coming.
I've registered here just to post how screwed and ripped I feel by spending my money on Mac OS Lion and this should be my last message here. I hope that it helps some of Apple consumers to take their decision without feeling fscked up just like me. It is never late to bring software freedom back to your computer. Reconquer your own computer now and say no to proprietary software with all of its limitations!