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I own a vcr. I also own a 3.5 floppy drive and a zip drive ;)

I still have a USB 3.5 floppy drive lying around somewhere. Though I don't think I've used it since 2002 or so. I should break it out again, because I've got a big box of old floppies, and I bet there's all kinds of cool stuff on them I've forgotten about over the years.

As for a zip drive? No. I don't have one of those. Never hated myself enough to buy one. :p
 
I still have a USB 3.5 floppy drive lying around somewhere. Though I don't think I've used it since 2002 or so. I should break it out again, because I've got a big box of old floppies, and I bet there's all kinds of cool stuff on them I've forgotten about over the years.

As for a zip drive? No. I don't have one of those. Never hated myself enough to buy one. :p

Since I play with old Macs, I actually use both types of media with some frequency.

Zip drives are a great(and reusable way) to transfer data onto and off of Macs. I have an external SCSI ZIP drive that will work with any Old World ROM PPC Mac and many 68K Macs. Many x600, G3 and G4 era PowerMacintoshes(or PowerMacs, depending on exactly how old you're talking about) had ZIP drives built in. I have a USB ZIP drive to use with newer computers. With really old stuff, you need to boot off of a floppy and pretty much all programs are run off a floppy disk. Everything from System 1 through OS 7.5.5 is available for Download from Apple(plus many other programs). These are all in the form of floppy images, and you need an OWR Mac with a built-in floppy to be able to write the images to a disk. It's really handy to use a newer computer(newer meaning something like a G5, as somewhere along the way Apple removed the ability to write to HFS standard volumes) to download a bunch of images and then use your OWR Mac(usually I use a G3 running OS 8.5) to take the images off the ZIP disk and make floppies from them.

Unless you're collecting old Macs, though, they're pretty much useless :)
 
Unless you're collecting old Macs, though, they're pretty much useless :)

Since I'm primarily a PC guy, that's probably why I never took to them.

Well, that, and the fact I remember how people initially loved them, then quickly turned around and started hating them back during their heyday. The one thing I heard most was "yeah, I got a Zip Drive...but it doesn't work".
 
Since I'm primarily a PC guy, that's probably why I never took to them.

Well, that, and the fact I remember how people initially loved them, then quickly turned around and started hating them back during their heyday. The one thing I heard most was "yeah, I got a Zip Drive...but it doesn't work".

That is funny (and - more pointedly, and poignantly - it is true, which is one of the reasons it is a bit bitter/sweet funny).

However, one of the things that I find fascinating is the number of technological breakthroughs I have lived through - some of which seemed earth-shattering, and unbelievable and irreplaceable - at the time - which have turned out to have become obsolete in an extraordinarily short space of time.

For all of the fashionability, and the 'being in-the-hip-moment-coolness' there are a great many of these technologies that one will never have to learn, or master. One can learn some, master others, and completely ignore yet others, - as suits ones needs - and that is fine. One doesn't have to learn every new form of technology; just be open to learning the ones that count.
 

The sad fact is, as good an idea as they were, they were destined for obsolescence, being an uncomfortable half step between the old and the truly better.

Even if they were somewhat reliable, CD-Rs were quickly becoming affordable at that exact moment, and USB driven hard drives were just around the corner. They were bound to fail in the market.
 
The sad fact is, as good an idea as they were, they were destined for obsolescence, being an uncomfortable half step between the old and the truly better.

Even if they were somewhat reliable, CD-Rs were quickly becoming affordable at that exact moment, and USB driven hard drives were just around the corner. They were bound to fail in the market.

No argument at all.

Speaing personally, I never got the hang of them (although, I must concede that TV was never a large part of my life); I could see the convenience, but, to be honest, it was never an unthinking part of my life. (And, 'unthinking' is the level of ease that was needed, but was never offered, by that technology. Not unless you were ten years of age; an utterly sober when you thought to try to programme this infernally complicated piece of equipment).

Sure, CD-Rs, (and , indeed, some time later, CD-RWs) were not all that far away - I remember being awestruck when they came out. And I recall my stupefied astonishment - and yes, awe - when I was shown a USB stick in Belarus, (and how to use it) by a colleague, a fellow observer, during an appalling election around a decade ago, and being enormously impressed by the technology and the sheer size of this ultra portable device.... And then, the challenge of tracking them down when I returned home, and being stunned at the prices charged. And willingly paying them, for the convenience and size…….
 
No doubt improved interfaces have made it easier to record with a DVR.
No doubt that HD video can provide a better picture.

Now how about some disadvantages?
As noted by the original questioner... having to pay 35/month to acquire those benefits.

Loss of control...
If you switch cable providers, lose your recordings.
If the cable provider chooses to stop providing service/equipment to support your access, lose your recordings.

Yes, there are distinct advantages to the newer tech, but don't gloss over the distinct disadvantages that come along for the ride... And given a mix of advantages and disadvantages, different people make different choices. ; )
 
This is just a curiousity thread. Who here on MR still uses VCRs for recoding movies and watching old VHS Movies? I myself use VCRs for recoding AND movie watching. Although I have a DVD-Recorder, I never use it because I don't like the aspect that you cannot play recorded DVD-RWs in any DVD Player but the recorder it was recorded in. I use the VCR over a DVR because I am cheap I don't want to be the cable company's bitch by paying an extra $35 a month for the DVR box and service. Waste of money I have a VCR I have no need to waste money on a DVR.

Why not get a video capture card and just download them into digital form.... forever.
 
We have a combo DVD/VCR. It can record, but it's never been used for that. In fact, it rarely even gets used at all. We watch DVDs in the BlueRay player, as it's tied into a full sound system and even with DVDs the picture quality is better(HDMI vs. composition on the combo player).

I still have some tapes I enjoyed as a child that get played occasionally for my nephews and other kids when they come over(thinks like Thomas the Tank Engine). There are things like classic Disney movies that we haven't bothered to update with DVDs(I still love the Brave Little Toaster).

Honestly, though, you get used to the video quality of DVD and especially BlueRay and it's hard to go back to watching VHS tapes.

Ha, small world! I LOVE "The Brave Little Toaster"! I still have the tape somewhere around here! Most of the tapes i have are from my youth days, "Rocko's Modern Life", "Caitlin's Way", 101 Dolmations (both the cartoon and the movie). 99% of the tapes haven't seen the light of day for 10 years or more. The most recent movie i taped was "Snow Day" and that was several months ago, and i have yet to even watch it. I will occasionally have a desire to watch an old VHS tape, Since i cannot stream them online with my Macs. I have plenty of movies on Tape. Most of the movies are retail most of my recorded tapes are shows. The last VHS movie i bought i believe was "Last Action Hero" a year or 2 ago at a garage sale. I tend to ALWAYS look for VHS movies at garage sales.

EDIT: I dont have bluray costs to effin much and not worth it the movie collection just inst there. Watching standard deff movies on DVD vs VHS not too much of a backwards motion. Most HD programs on TV you can't even tell the difference between them and their SD counterpart on a SD Channel.
 
Very good post. And yes, agreed, that is exactly the reason why the one replaced the other.

In my house of adults, parents plus brother & self, in the early 1990s, I'll confess that this timing nonsense was a challenge. (And yes, agreed, remembering to set the clock of the VCR, especially if there had been an unexpected brief power cut for some reason - who can forget that winking, blinking 12:00?) No, it was not intuitive. Actually, I remember being advised to 'find a 10 year old' to do the needful. Problem was, in a houseful of adults, we none of us knew any ten year olds…...




Ah, yes. Very enjoyable picture, all the same, - thanks for posting it - as I rather like cats (and , indeed, dogs)……and I have long been a fan of Kevin Spacey.
I haven't had a VCR that had a external display on it for over 10 years. The only VCR i currently have with one is my DVD/VCR Combo. I use the Living room VCR Mainly as a distrubuter to provide cable TV to the rest of the house so I dont have to pay the fees of added cable boxes....... Damn Digital Transition

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Why does no one offer a simple DVR that works like a VCR...no subscription, no cable company needed.

that right there is why I don't have or plan on using a DVR. When a DVR like this comes to the market I will most likely be the 1st in line to get one.
 
I haven't had a VCR that had a external display on it for over 10 years. The only VCR i currently have with one is my DVD/VCR Combo. I use the Living room VCR Mainly as a distrubuter to provide cable TV to the rest of the house so I dont have to pay the fees of added cable boxes....... Damn Digital Transition

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that right there is why I don't have or plan on using a DVR. When a DVR like this comes to the market I will most likely be the 1st in line to get one.

Already came and went. Like a decade ago. Tivo was the OG DVR that wasn't tied to your service provider but there were others.

There are a number of PC based DIY DVR solutions out there that use capture cards, and control the cable box via IR. Windows Media Center used to have a pretty good 10ft interface for scheduling and controlling up to 4 tuners, but I think it's since been discontinued. XBMC might be another solution.

http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hdpvr2.html
 
No argument at all.

Speaing personally, I never got the hang of them (although, I must concede that TV was never a large part of my life); I could see the convenience, but, to be honest, it was never an unthinking part of my life. (And, 'unthinking' is the level of ease that was needed, but was never offered, by that technology. Not unless you were ten years of age; an utterly sober when you thought to try to programme this infernally complicated piece of equipment).

If you're talking about programming VCRs, I'll say this:

I'm allegedly pretty tech savvy. I grew up surrounded by computers and electronics. They've been a part of my life for as long as I remember. But I've only ever programmed a VCR once, and it wasn't an easy thing to do.

To spare my ego, I convinced myself it was always 12:00 at all times. 24 hours a day, every day, 7 days a week, it was noon or midnight. Nothing else but.

Needless to say, I was always fashionably late for everything. School. Work. Dates. Court hearings...

Sure, CD-Rs, (and , indeed, some time later, CD-RWs) were not all that far away - I remember being awestruck when they came out. And I recall my stupefied astonishment - and yes, awe - when I was shown a USB stick in Belarus, (and how to use it) by a colleague, a fellow observer, during an appalling election around a decade ago, and being enormously impressed by the technology and the sheer size of this ultra portable device.... And then, the challenge of tracking them down when I returned home, and being stunned at the prices charged. And willingly paying them, for the convenience and size…….

Same here. I've seen a CD press in action before. The fact that the technology had reached the point that this little device that I could hold in one hand, one that looked and acted exactly like any other optical drive, could replicate a job (though not in exactly the same way) that once took a fairly good sized machine to do absolutely blew my mind.

I thought the same thing about the iPhone when I first laid eyes on it. I had seen plenty of smartphones up to that point, but even the best of the best struck me as nothing more than a glorified digital notepad. Some of them were powerful enough to play Snake on. Neat, certainly. But nothing that drove me to enviousness and covetousness.

But the iPhone? It was a small computer you could fit in your pocket, capable of doing lighter versions of tasks you'd normally associate with a full sized PC. The moment I saw it, I was piqued. When the iPhone 4 came out with it's high res screen, I had to have one.

When I think about it, it's the miniaturization of technology that impresses me the most. When something isn't just capable, but capable and efficient.

...though the tragedy of it all is, as impressed as I was by it, I've kinda come to hate my iPhone. Because of it, I'm always getting calls and texts, usually at the worst possible times. Damn people.
 
If you're talking about programming VCRs, I'll say this:

I'm allegedly pretty tech savvy. I grew up surrounded by computers and electronics. They've been a part of my life for as long as I remember. But I've only ever programmed a VCR once, and it wasn't an easy thing to do.

To spare my ego, I convinced myself it was always 12:00 at all times. 24 hours a day, every day, 7 days a week, it was noon or midnight. Nothing else but.

Needless to say, I was always fashionably late for everything. School. Work. Dates. Court hearings...
I never had problems setting up VCRs to record... It was fairly simple on every VCR I used. Now setting up the recording timer on late-model VCRs (back when you could BUY a VCR that didn't have a DVD Player clinging to it) programming it without a remote..... that was a difficult task on MOST VCRs, usually completely impossible. Luckily my past 2 VCRs have a MENU button on the VCR itself, So i can do timer recording from the unit itself. Comes in handy since the VCR in the living room (Symphonic) is impossible to program a remote for, makes it a PITA when ACTUALLY watching a tape, but easy as pie to program.
Already came and went. Like a decade ago. Tivo was the OG DVR that wasn't tied to your service provider but there were others.

There are a number of PC based DIY DVR solutions out there that use capture cards, and control the cable box via IR. Windows Media Center used to have a pretty good 10ft interface for scheduling and controlling up to 4 tuners, but I think it's since been discontinued. XBMC might be another solution.

http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hdpvr2.html

TiVO DVRs (ones actually manufactured by TiVo not a 3rd party) made it impossible to record anything without a TiVo subscription and an Internet Connection, I know I bought 2 of them over the past 5 years.
 
Yes I do. I have a one of those USB capture boxes so I play my tapes into it then drop them into iMovie or openshot clean them up a bit and burn them to DVD or just save them on a hard drive. I also do it for other people for $5 a movie.
 
Why not get a video capture card and just download them into digital form.... forever.

Yes I do. I have a one of those USB capture boxes so I play my tapes into it then drop them into iMovie or openshot clean them up a bit and burn them to DVD or just save them on a hard drive. I also do it for other people for $5 a movie.

Of these two, which would be the more convenient way to go? I'm not worried about how easy it may be yet, but comparing that to a place that offers such a service (they want $15 to convert VHS to DVD, but don't take into account the length of the tape or the speed of the recording on the tape), this may be the cheaper way to go.

BL.
 
no VCR

I enjoy watching movies on Blu Ray DVD. The BEST!! But I sure do miss the good old days, where we had to insert a video tape into the VCR. I remember the days when we had to stop the movies because the tape had too much dust that was affecting the quality of the show/movie. HAHAh!
 
I haven't had a VCR that had a external display on it for over 10 years. The only VCR i currently have with one is my DVD/VCR Combo. I use the Living room VCR Mainly as a distrubuter to provide cable TV to the rest of the house so I dont have to pay the fees of added cable boxes....... Damn Digital Transition

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that right there is why I don't have or plan on using a DVR. When a DVR like this comes to the market I will most likely be the 1st in line to get one.

In the UK at least you can. I've had a DVR/DVD combo for years and never paid for any TV service.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Panasonic-DMR-HWT130EB-Recorder-Freeview-Tuners-Black/dp/B00BYUGN74
 
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I still use a vcr to play favorite old movies my mother in law recorded over the years before she died. You just can't find many of these old movies anymore.
 
I still use a vcr to play favorite old movies my mother in law recorded over the years before she died. You just can't find many of these old movies anymore.

I've got a stack of old VHS tapes of movies my dad recorded off of HBO overnight when he worked at Radio Shack back in the 80's.

I don't even know if they'll still play or not, and I don't have a VCR handy to find out. I'd love to try, though.
 
FWIW, when I had DishNetwork at my apartment, their set-top boxes(or at least the basic ones) didn't have DVR functionality built in. They did, however, have a USB port on the back.

For $10 a month, you could plug your own external into the USB port and they would enable DVR functionality from your STB. I actually thought that was a decent idea, as you could put whatever size drive you wanted on. Of course, the drive formatting and the recordings are all proprietary, so you can't-for example-plug the drive into your computer and watch from there. Once you discontinue the service, the drive is useless without the STB, and all you can do is reformat it and use it for something else.

The Motorola DVRs that the cable companies around here use have about a dozen ports on them, including several USBs and one or two Firewire ports. The cable companies I've dealt with disable everything but the coaxial in port and the various video out ports(i.e. coax, RCA, S-Video, Composition, and HDMI).
 
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