The iPod toich 4 had a tiny market share and it was not a premium device. Apple would never had kept two a5 devices around if it was going to drop both, in under a years time. Dropping A5 would mean dropping around 60 percent of iPad users. M
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The iPod toich 4 had a tiny market share and it was not a premium device. Apple would never had kept two a5 devices around if it was going to drop both, in under a years time. Dropping A5 would mean dropping around 60 percent of iPad users. M
Yeah I have an iPad 2 and I don't plan on replacing it any time soon it would cost $500 to replace and that is a lot when the device works perfectly and is used minimally. I also see loads of people with the iPhone 4s here, so I don't think developers will stop supporting it yet.
Yes. I could see Apple stop supporting A5 devices with major iOS updates, but developers would keep supporting them. And Apple would keep supporting them with security fixes.
iPhone 4S will (almost?) certainly not get iOS 9 support, and I would imagine the same fate for iPod Touch 5
No reason why iOS 9 should not run on A5 devices. The 4S has a much larger market share than the 4 did when it lost iOS support. Given around 60 percent of iPad users are on an A5 device I hardly see them dropping a5 support.
That's never gonna happen in terms of developers. If Apple drops A5 devices from iOS 9 developers have not incentive to support them.
Apple has 60 percent of iPad users on A5.., I hightly doubt it will drop them. Plus they are selling a premium iPod touch with A5 at the moment and no premium ipod touch has lost iOS support with in a year of it being sold, plus they are also selling the iPad mini 1.
Not going to happen. iOS 8 already runs quite poorly (akin to iOS 8 on the 4S [due to them having the same exact CPU], iOS 7 on the 4, and iOS 6 on the 3GS and Fourth Gen Touch. It's still usable, though the speed hits are noticeable and not great for a device claiming to be engineered for "maximum funness".
Newest iPod touch or not, top of the line iPod touch or not, successor product out or not, it will extremely likely not be let into the iOS 9 party as won't any other device with either the 800MHz A5 (it and the iPhone 4S) or the 1GHz A5 (iPad 2 and first generation iPad mini).
No iOS device running as slow as the A5 devices do currently on iOS 8 (which is comparably slow to the iPhone 4 on iOS 7 and the 3GS and fourth gen touch on iOS 6) has ever been granted an iOS update past that point. The point where Apple is explicitly having to tweak the builds FOR THOSE DEVICES so they they can actually run acceptably, is the point where Apple readies the next OS that will move past them. That has been the trend for the last four years (or since the beginning if you forget how they pushed the iPhone 3G further than they should have) and there's absolutely nothing to suggest that they won't continue that trend this year.
If one wishes to argue the fact that they are still selling A5 devices, I'd like to point out the nature of the fourth generation iPod touch's discontinuation and its timing before WWDC 2013 and to also note that Apple cares similarly for the fifth generation iPod touch and first generation iPad mini to how they cared for the fourth generation iPod touch in 2013: They see it as an old product that they're going to ride out until it makes as little sense as possible to do so.
I wouldn't be surprised if they were discontinued around April-May and not given support for iOS 9. None of you should be either.
Newest iPod touch or not, top of the line iPod touch or not, successor product out or not, it will extremely likely not be let into the iOS 9 party as won't any other device with either the 800MHz A5 (it and the iPhone 4S) or the 1GHz A5 (iPad 2 and first generation iPad mini).
No iOS device running as slow as the A5 devices do currently on iOS 8 (which is comparably slow to the iPhone 4 on iOS 7 and the 3GS and fourth gen touch on iOS 6) has ever been granted an iOS update past that point. The point where Apple is explicitly having to tweak the builds FOR THOSE DEVICES so they they can actually run acceptably, is the point where Apple readies the next OS that will move past them. That has been the trend for the last four years (or since the beginning if you forget how they pushed the iPhone 3G further than they should have) and there's absolutely nothing to suggest that they won't continue that trend this year.
If one wishes to argue the fact that they are still selling A5 devices, I'd like to point out the nature of the fourth generation iPod touch's discontinuation and its timing before WWDC 2013 and to also note that Apple cares similarly for the fifth generation iPod touch and first generation iPad mini to how they cared for the fourth generation iPod touch in 2013: They see it as an old product that they're going to ride out until it makes as little sense as possible to do so.
I wouldn't be surprised if they were discontinued around April-May and not given support for iOS 9. None of you should be either.
There are not similarities between the 2013 4th gen touch discontinuation and next year. In this case of the 4th gen being discontinued, the 5th gen had been released half a year before, and was there to fill that gap. Apple hasn't released a new touch yet. Therefore it won't discontinue the current touch in a few months.
Apple wouldn't discontinue their main iPod, their main music player, their main standalone media player. Apple needs to keep selling a high capacity standalone music player, and the iPod touch is their only one. Apple only discontinues its products if supplies are unavailable. At the very least, in case iOS 9 does not support A5, Apple will simply replace the A5 chip with the A6 or A7 chip in the current touch design. The A6 cost is barely above the A5 cost, and is lower than the 2012 production cost of the A5. And no R&D costs for this move. This move consists of all pros and no cons; it makes complete sense for Apple.
I think it will get discontinued. In favour of a new one mid next yea. Ios 9 will run on the 5th gen though, with a5 support for at least the touch 5 and iPad mini 1 (and iPad 2 and 4S support would only make sense). Apple prides itself in lack of fragmentation so heading down that road would be a srange move and one likely to annoy that huge lump of people on A5 devices. I sure wouldn't pay the apple premiumum if it meant loosing support and thus usablity within a year.
The thing you both either don't seem to get or seem to be in complete denial of is that Apple no longer cares about having a high-end music player that isn't also an iPhone and that they can and will therefore discontinue the iPod touch leaving a void to be further filled by the iPhone.
This is evidenced by the fact that prior to September 2014, there was a 160GB iPod you could buy and now there isn't anything within 30GB of that when Apple HAS the technology to produce a 256GB iPod touch that they could very easily price at the $400 price point that used to be the traditional price of the high-end iPod touch, let alone a 128GB version. Producing that and putting it on sale would've been no more difficult than issuing the 16GB versions that they put out in 2013 and 2014 respectively.
Also, with the A5 running iOS 8 as poorly as the iPhone 4's A4 ran iOS 7, iOS 9 support is statistically unlikely.
It should also say something that their highest capacity portable music player is now an iPhone.
Also didn't you both incorrectly predict that there would be a new iPod touch last fall?
Apple is adding to its music business, it has iTunes radio, and will revamp its Beats subscription service, and both of these music services require an internet connection. A phone is better for these services. But again, I think Apple could keep around its only high capacity music player without a phone bill. What does Apple have to lose?
Last year, I thought there would be a chance a new iPod touch came last fall. But months before the event, there were no leaks, so I knew Apple wasn't making a new one then.
My one prediction to when Apple might release a new one is within the 6 months before the announcement that iOS drops support for A5 devices.
64GB isn't really high-capacity anymore. It's mid-range capacity, at best. I do believe that they could slap in 64GB or 128GB of storage into the nano and call it a day, or, as I've suggested in numerous threads, order more of the iPhone 4S's 3.5" retina panels and make a new touch-screen iPod with 256GB of flash/solid state storage, give it a basic set of apps (either a stripped down version of iOS or its own OS) call it the 7th Generation iPod, kill the shuffle, touch, and nano, and then the problem you mention is solved. The touch isn't necessary to carry on the standalone music player market, and, really, it detracts from iPhone sales as it is rare that people own and actively use BOTH an iPhone and an iPod touch.
You sure that wasn't just intensely wishful thinking? I mean, don't get me wrong, I want a new iPod touch too. I'd seriously go out and buy myself two as soon as they come out. But, I'm not optimistic that they will come out as, if they were to make a successor to the current iPod touch, there's no reason why they would not have done so already. People with the iPhone 4S have something to upgrade to and now is the right time to make that kind of upgrade. Similarly, in 2012, people with the fourth generation iPod touch had the fifth generation iPod touch to upgrade to.
Now, with iOS 8 running as slowly on the fifth generation iPod touch as iOS 6 ran on the fourth generation and as slowly as the 4S runs 8 and the 4 ran 7, it would seem like the time to have something like that already out. But they don't and I don't see any other reasons why other than they're going to kill it when it doesn't get iOS 9 support.
The window of time for them to do so and have it make any kind of sense (in terms of providing an upgrade path for current iPod touch users) is rapidly shortening.
For one, you don't work at Apple as far as I know, so who really knows what Apple thinks.
Ios 7 on the 4S was definelty slower than ios 8 on the 4S.
Before you start with more condescending personal attacks, you predicted at least the iPad 2 would not get iOS 8.
As I'Ve said before performance is not the only factor in apple delivering an iOS update. It's perfectly reasonable to suggest that Apple could design iOS 9 to run the same as iOS 8 or better. If then there was no performance downgrade for A5 devices then there is no negative to supporting them. Apple also raves about lack of fragmentation and dropping especially the iPad mini, 2 and 3 leaves over half the iPad users stranded on iOS 8. Sure that number will go down but it won't rapidly do so, considering they are still selling the mini.
So it is my opinion that besides possible performance issues, that it is perfectly viable that Apple couldmcomtiune A5 support much like its continued support of older Macs with the latest OSX updates. I also accept it could go the other way, so please I'd rather not have you attack me personally calling be a poor debater, troll, and someone who doesn't know much like in the other thread.
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Well the thing is, that if they support the mini 1 that is still on sale, it is just a minuterised iPad 2 (with upgraded wifi and bluethooth) and if they also support the still on sale iPod touch 5 that is just an IPhone 4S, and let's not forget that the iPad 3 benchmarks under the iPad 2(however that does not take RAM into consideration). So basically if they can support the two most likely to be supported (as they are still for sale) devices, then there is no reason for the iPad 2 and the 4S to miss out.
At the iOS 8 announcement I rememebr whowever was presenting the supported models actually said that Apple try to support as many devices as they can. Plus I've read that Apple engingeers try their best to give older devices support.
No one here does. It's called analysis. It's done based on facts and trends.
If you want to split hairs, fine. Every article I've read harkens it to what iPhone 4 users were dealing with last year.
I was basing that off of the "Every iOS Device gets x updates" patterns, also the fact that iOS 7 was pretty sluggish on the iPad 2 and first generation mini (even if you're in the minority of people that disagree with this).
Also, accusing you of not reading what you were replying to is far from a personal attack. Similarly, assuming you were trolling for disregarding facts that the vast majority of the Internet is in agreement on is not far-fetched. The two of those put together doesn't lend well to your ability to debate either. Sorry you are offended by this.
It always has been historically with iOS updates.
Oh sure. I never said that they COULDN'T. I said that the odds of them doing that were slim.
Apple doesn't design software for maximum compatibility first and foremost. If they can achieve it, they will. But historically, if they develop new APIs and software and the eldest processors can't run it, they'll drop support for them. It happened before and it will happen again.
A5 users are tapering off. iPhone 4S and iPad 2 users are tapering off as 4S owners (that didn't upgrade last year) are upgrading to the iPhone 6 or 6 Plus this year and iPad 2 users are looking to move to a mini or to an iPad Air (be it 1 or 2). The iPod touch sales have been declining (as is referenced by Apple earnings calls) . That leaves the first generation iPad mini, but again (and I know you don't agree with this), the market audience that Apple is targeting with that device doesn't care about updates. Apple will issue security updates for it well past iOS 9's launch (even if those updates are not to iOS 9 itself [like was done with the fourth gen iPod touch and iPhone 3GS]). That's how Apple will see it because they are never kind to their lowest end customers.
Fragmentation doesn't mean that every device isn't supported indefinitely, it means that you don't have many devices with comparably current hardware running different devices. Just because the first generation iPad mini is currently being sold doesn't mean it is being sold with current hardware. That's the key distinction.
I never said it COULDN'T happen. It totally could. I said it WOULDN'T happen, because statistically that's not how Apple rolls with iOS. They have been known to break trends. And you arguing that they won't is silly. Similarly, I'm not arguing that they won't break the trends that I'm citing. I'm arguing that odds are unlikely that they will here.
For the record, this is the first time you've ever admitted, in either this thread or the other one, that you might actually be wrong about something.
Well, you were debating rather poorly, and if you're not a troll, then I'm sorry I called you one (though to be fair, given your stubbornness to ignore facts and not even read what you were arguing against, it wasn't an unfair assumption).
If you find your feelings and/or ego truly hurt, you can complain to the moderators and they'll do something about it.
In the meantime, I'm glad you finally admitted that there's a possibility that you might be wrong. That's commendable progress.
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No one here does. It's called analysis. It's done based on facts and trends.
If you want to split hairs, fine. Every article I've read harkens it to what iPhone 4 users were dealing with last year.[/QUOTE]
http://arstechnica.com/apple/2014/09/ios-8-on-the-iphone-4s-performance-isnt-the-only-problem/
"Needs more speed
We want to open this section by saying that iOS 8 on the iPhone 4S is nowhere near as bad as iOS 7 on the iPhone 4. That OS ran so slowly and looked so different on the iPhone 4 than it did on any other device that it was obvious the hardware was struggling to keep up."
You have no evidence I'm in the minority. Most things I've read say that the iPad 2 runs iOS 7.1.2 quite well.
You've also ignored many facts. Does this make you a troll?
No it has not. iPhone 3G with iOS 4? iPhone 4 with iOS 7?
Now you're ignoring facts such as the 60 percent marketshare. Things like that are not going to come down. Also you have no evidence that people buying the Mini don't care about updates. Longevity is one of the things Apple offers over Android, its part of the Apple brand.
You continue to ignore facts constantly. Go find out what a troll is as well. Also perhaps learn to debate in a non condescending way.
Stop brining it down to a personal level. Funnily enough this is not a personal debate, but for some stupid reason you keep brining it there.
If you want to split hairs, fine. Every article I've read harkens it to what iPhone 4 users were dealing with last year.[/QUOTE]
http://arstechnica.com/apple/2014/09/ios-8-on-the-iphone-4s-performance-isnt-the-only-problem/
"Needs more speed
We want to open this section by saying that iOS 8 on the iPhone 4S is nowhere near as bad as iOS 7 on the iPhone 4. That OS ran so slowly and looked so different on the iPhone 4 than it did on any other device that it was obvious the hardware was struggling to keep up."
You have no evidence I'm in the minority. Most things I've read say that the iPad 2 runs iOS 7.1.2 quite well.
You've also ignored many facts. Does this make you a troll?
No it has not. iPhone 3G with iOS 4? iPhone 4 with iOS 7?
Now you're ignoring facts such as the 60 percent marketshare. Things like that are not going to come down. Also you have no evidence that people buying the Mini don't care about updates. Longevity is one of the things Apple offers over Android, its part of the Apple brand.
You continue to ignore facts constantly. Go find out what a troll is as well. Also perhaps learn to debate in a non condescending way.
Stop brining it down to a personal level. Funnily enough this is not a personal debate, but for some stupid reason you keep brining it there.
Ironically enough, this article was debunked by Gizmodo and several others as being inaccurate. It's also the one article on the Internet that mentions it postively. Even other Ars Technica articles change their tone about iOS 8 on the A5 devices. Nice try though.
I used it myself, I was there. I know it ran poorly. It's irrelevant though as the topic at hand is iOS 8 and iOS 9 and there are more that think ill of the performance of the A5 devices on iOS 8 than don't. Here are the articles in case you actually want to address them this time:
http://arstechnica.com/apple/2014/09/a-slide-into-obsolescence-ios-8-on-the-ipad-2/
http://www.gottabemobile.com/2014/10/23/verizon-galaxy-note-4-release-date-info/
http://bgr.com/2014/09/17/iphone-4s-and-ipad-2-ios-8-update/
http://tabtimes.com/let-not-kid-ourselves-ipad-2-dead-man-walking-ios-7-11611/
http://www.cultofmac.com/303844/got-iphone-4s-ipad-2-never-upgrade-ios-7/
https://www.macrumors.com/2014/11/20/ios-8-1-1-iphone-4s-ipad-2-test/
http://www.geek.com/apple/updating-your-ipad-2-or-iphone-4s-to-ios-8-just-say-no-1604771/
http://www.reddit.com/r/ipad/comments/2l94vq/ios_8_on_ipad_mini_1st_gen/
http://gizmodo.com/ios-8-upgrade-guide-everything-you-need-for-a-happy-up-1635527417
http://arstechnica.com/apple/2014/09/ios-8-thoroughly-reviewed/11/#performance
http://lifehacker.com/how-ios-8-1-1-affects-performance-on-older-devices-1661159736
http://arstechnica.com/apple/2014/1...and-ipad-2-a-little-faster-kind-of-sometimes/
I linked you to a good 10 links that pointed out facts in the other thread. You never addressed them. Instead, you only linked me to the Ars Technica article, which was debunked by at least one of the articles I linked you to. You have been spotty about citing your sources and only cling to since-debunked theories about dated Apple OS support policies and nonsense of "premium" when it comes to a much-ignored product line (and thereby also ignoring Apple's practices when it comes to much-ignored product lines).
The best I can suggest for your theories is that it's hope against hope that Apple is not going to pull a fast one on their budget customers. Sad to say, it's not out of the realm of possibility in the slightest.
Yes, and the things that those updates have in common? They are their last updates. Same will go for the iPhone 4S and iOS 8. Same for the touch, by that same token. Same for the iPad 2 and first generation iPad mini.
Could I be wrong? Absolutely, totally possible. Odds are that I'm not, though.
Where is your evidence for this 60% marketshare? And when is it dated? You do realize that every September/October, it changes drastically as new models are released and as peopled discard older technology, right? Case in point: iPhone 4S users are buying new iPhones in droves and are dropping off as iPhone 4S users. That's a pretty huge percentage of your A5 users gone right there. Similarly, people with the iPad 2 are selling their iPads and buying the Air 2. We can agree to disagree should you remain in denial of this, but unless my eyes deceive me and I'm going mad, it's definitely happening and frequently. I did just help my best friends mother do exactly that this weekend, and she's, by no means, a power user.
Forgive me, my patience with you wears thin the more you don't read and address the things you reply to. If you were to start doing that, a lot of it would surely be restored as you'd actually be debating well and not passionately repeating the same rhetoric over and over again.
Funnily enough, you're the only one taking any of this personally. You may want to lighten up and relax. This is an online forum, none of us know each other in real life, we are arguing. It happens all the time on the Internet.
I think that the IPod touc 5 will be supported by IOS 9 because IOS 9 will correct a lot of bugs and improve the performances
It will run it, that for sure but pretty much is gonna kill it. 8.2 definitely slowed mine a little more.