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I don't mean to nitpick or revive this thread unnecessarily, but I think this is an example of simple carelessness:



https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/13147437/

Typos and other simple errors are also still relatively common. I think something like this could have easily been caught with a quick once-over.

I was going to comment on this particular story too. I posted it in the topic but then realised it would be more at home here. First, looking through the topic, not many people considered it newsworthy to begin with and Jordan questioned why people hadn't sent it in previously if it had been around for a while. The biggest thing that is bothering me with Jordan's posts, currently, is that he includes information that is completely arbitrary. A good example is when he goes off on a tangent and starts talking about where placement of the CID/CVV is on certain credit cards:

Apple already requires credit card users to reenter the 3 or 4 digit CID number from the back of their credit card (front in the case of American Express)

Not saying that it's harmful, but more just totally irrelevant. It could be written simply as "Apple already requires credit card users to re-enter the 3 or 4 digit CID number from their credit card." I'd say 99% of users would know where the CID/CVV on their credit card is located if they've already set up a card on their account...
 
The biggest thing that is bothering me with Jordan's posts, currently, is that he includes information that is completely arbitrary. A good example is when he goes off on a tangent and starts talking about where placement of the CID/CVV is on certain credit cards:

Not saying that it's harmful, but more just totally irrelevant. It could be written simply as "Apple already requires credit card users to re-enter the 3 or 4 digit CID number from their credit card." I'd say 99% of users would know where the CID/CVV on their credit card is located if they've already set up a card on their account...

I agree. Excess information isn't necessarily harmful, but it can be frustrating to read on a continual basis. It is also not the mark of a professional writer. Knowing what the ideal amount of information to provide is something that shouldn't be a novel concept for this level of work.
 
the second and third news stories on macrumors today remind me of this thread, somewhat..

firstly "Facebook iPad App Developer Quits After Repeated Launch Delays", and the later published "Facebook iPad App to Launch at iOS 5 and iPhone 5 Event?".

the original article speculates that Verkeoyen thought the iPad FB app would never see the light of day. surfacing rumors now claim that an Oct 4th release of the app is rumoured.

i would just like to know since when has social media become THAT important that it merits two news stories (granted, they are slightly separate issues, as opposed to updating the original thread), or is it just a slow news week?
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A bit of a thread resurrection, but this feels like the appropriate place to draw attention to what seems to be a chronic condition.

Here are two recent front page stories:

How an iPad Speeds Reporting from NASCAR's Pit Row
Friday May 25, 2012 11:28 am PDT by Jordan Golson

Dave Burns has been covering stock car racing from pit road for seventeen years, including spending the past twelve covering NASCAR's premiere Sprint Cup Series. These days he's a Pit Reporter for ESPN, covering Nationwide and Sprint Cup practices, qualifying, and races, all over the course of a single weekend -- every weekend -- for months at a time.

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Facebook Launches New iPhone App Dedicated to Posting and Sharing Photos
Thursday May 24, 2012 11:18 am PDT by Jordan Golson

Facebook today released a new standalone iPhone app dedicated to posting and sharing photos on the 900-million strong social network. Facebook Camera aims to make using photos on Facebook "faster and easier", according to a press release.

The app, much like the Facebook Messenger app launched last year, is designed to streamline a single Facebook feature that users are constantly interacting with, rather than using the clunkier Facebook iOS app. Photos are such a large part of Facebook that the company recently spent $1 billion to purchase photo sharing service Instagram.

Facebook built the app to make it much easier for mobile users to share multiple photos to the network -- something that is cumbersome in the standard Facebook app. Facebook Camera, made by a dedicated Photos team, streamlines browsing photos that friends have posted, a task which is all many users want to use Facebook for. From All Things D:
Facebook seems to have learned a heck of a lot from Instagram. Photos in Facebook Camera are full-bleed, spanning the entire width of the iPhone’s screen (which was probably tested when Facebook tweaked the photo experience for mobile last week). You’re able to comment and like photos directly from the stream. And of course, there are filters (albeit ones with names nowhere near as fun as Toaster or Valencia).

More than this, it’s very lightweight. The app moves much faster than browsing photos within Facebook’s proper app. And by introducing a separate camera app, it’s another way of bypassing the cumbersome, clicky process of adding pictures via the main Facebook app.


Instagram and Facebook Camera may seem like competitors -- and within Facebook they will be, sort of. Ellis Hamburger reports for The Verge:
The Facebook Camera team has been working on the app for months, and Mark Zuckerberg reportedly kept his desire to purchase Instagram close to the vest, as if he almost impulse-bought it. Had the Instagram deal never occurred, Facebook Camera wouldn't really be much of an Instagram competitor anyway, lacking any mobile-only social circles and hashtagged sharing around specific topics. "Enhancing the Facebook photos experience on mobile is long overdue," Facebook's Derick Mains told me. "We really had to step up our game, and we're committed to building Instagram independently."
Facebook Camera is available free on the App Store.

Sadly, I think we've all come to terms with the butchering of English, but both of these articles (I would put that in quotes, but as I understand it one needs to pluck two adjectives and insert them haphazardly) seem to have a tenuous connection to what the core purpose of the site, or at least the front page, really is.

I can understand that the Facebook Camera app is potentially an important development for iOS users, but it seems to lower the bar for front page status so low as to make it effectively worthless. This wasn't a new company entering the App Store, or even a new service really. It was one existing app gaining an adjunct. Was there a similar story when ESPN expanded its offerings beyond the Sports Center app? How about when Angry Birds launches a new version? Am I going to get a rousing article if Pandora launches a special Justin Bieber streaming service (come to think of it, I would appreciate some warning if that were to happen)?

Maybe this is something that could have been mitigated by a stronger writer. Do I really care what Facebook's longterm strategy is? Maybe, but I didn't expect to read it here, and I certainly would have expected more than the vague musings of a writer who can't avoid colloquialisms.

The NASCAR story, however, clearly betrays a lack of editorial prowess. It has nothing to do with MacRumors. Nothing. This would be akin to writing an article about how a biologist found a way to fold proteins on their Macbook Pro. MacRumors would never have published such drivel in the past.

Of course I expect that some chorus of sycophantic posters will respond by saying, "well then just leave; no one is telling you to keep reading." Yes, that's true, I don't have to read anything here. However, I used to enjoy reading the front page here. Perhaps I was spoiled, but regardless, I don't enjoy seeing something I once liked spiral down into a "dark abyss" (there we go).

I also realize that the staff, Arn included, don't really care about my opinion, no matter how greatly the opposite is feigned. The money is still flowing, traffic is good, most people seem to like it. If this type of writing is paying the bills, then who am I to expect a change? I just thought the site had more class.
 
I actually agree with you. To me, it seems like authors don't really care where the articles go as far as front page versus the individual blogs.

I will give them this, though. MacRumors is amazing compared to other sites such as Cult of Mac, who will post anything, regardless of source, as if it were truth. Articles that only serve as click bait. MacRumors doesn't do that.
 
agreed. staggeringly bad story for front page. its become habit when i see who writes the article, i just read the headline and not the content, but that also has become too painful to do.
 
It is clear that the front page is only for press releases now and not actual rumors.

I know you guys are after unique views but come on, if you don't have a rumor to report just don't post anything.

Might as well just turn over the reporting to the AP wire service.
 
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I don't know a lot, but I bet that these human-interest stories and basically everything on the Mac Blog page are going to be the mainstream of the site soon. It wouldn't surprise me at all to one day find a "Rumors" tab after the blog tabs. Traffic is what it's all about, and if this is what gets it, expect more. It's a bland, complacent, stupid world out there. I won't complain about anyone's writing skills since they're all still far beyond the other sites of this nature, as unfortunate as that may be, but I do miss the thrill of coming to MR and hoping something new and exciting had been posted while I was away. I hope I'm wrong, and I hope that the public's appetite for mediocrity doesn't erode our favorite Apple news outlet.
 
The NASCAR story, however, clearly betrays a lack of editorial prowess. It has nothing to do with MacRumors. Nothing. This would be akin to writing an article about how a biologist found a way to fold proteins on their Macbook Pro. MacRumors would never have published such drivel in the past.

I completely disagree. The NASCAR story is about the shifting use cases for information users: what gear they take on the road, what ordinary and novel use cases they have for hardware/software, how all of it alters the quality of what those users deliver in their work. The article was noteworthy to see where leading-edge users are creating content on tablet devices -- and leaving their laptops at home. This article will also make this weekend's NASCAR race far more interesting for MR fans interested in such things.

MacRumors covers "news and rumors [the audience] care about", and I definitely care about stories like this.

Of course I expect that some chorus of sycophantic posters will respond by saying, "well then just leave; no one is telling you to keep reading."

...or maybe some just disagree with you.

I also realize that the staff, Arn included, don't really care about my opinion, no matter how greatly the opposite is feigned. The money is still flowing, traffic is good, most people seem to like it. If this type of writing is paying the bills, then who am I to expect a change? I just thought the site had more class.

Believing that the staff doesn't care could well be a good reason to leave. But I'm not a sycophant.
 
I guess you missed Jordan's Amazing Alex post. Dude, he coined the term "Angry Birdiverse".

Excellent post by the way.

All I can respond with is

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I hope I'm wrong, and I hope that the public's appetite for mediocrity doesn't erode our favorite Apple news outlet.

I think the bullet has left the barrel. Nothing from the official response to this thread and similar complaints in the past has indicated that there's to be any deviation from the lowest common denominator.


I completely disagree. The NASCAR story is about the shifting use cases for information users: what gear they take on the road, what ordinary and novel use cases they have for hardware/software, how all of it alters the quality of what those users deliver in their work. The article was noteworthy to see where leading-edge users are creating content on tablet devices -- and leaving their laptops at home. This article will also make this weekend's NASCAR race far more interesting for MR fans interested in such things.

MacRumors covers "news and rumors [the audience] care about", and I definitely care about stories like this.


The problem is that none of this is relevant to the mission statement of MacRumors. I can believe that you might find it interesting (and resist all desires to point out that this is NASCAR...), but it doesn't make it relevant to the front page of the site. If NASA invents warp drive tomorrow, I would find it interesting, novel, and no doubt many readers would be excited to learn more. But that doesn't make it relevant to the site. This isn't supposed to be a blog about the applications of existing hardware; there are other sections of the site for that, and an entire internet's worth of podcasts and blogs for that. Just because you might find it interesting doesn't mean it belongs here.

...or maybe some just disagree with you.

They shouldn't if they can follow a basic syllogism. There's no accounting for taste, but logic shouldn't be a fair weather phenomenon.

Believing that the staff doesn't care could well be a good reason to leave. But I'm not a sycophant.

I don't believe you are, and it wasn't really directed towards someone who takes the time to explain why they liked that "piece of journalism." But, that kind of lazy canned response has been no stranger to this neck of the woods:

For the vocal minority, feel free to keep writing histrionic posts about how awful I am.

Note that this was about 10 months ago, and that the same criticisms about front page writing have been leveled for about 1 year now. I'm amazed at my own capacity to care about a site that has so obviously let itself lose its integrity, but I can assure you that most of the "vocal minority" (there we go, again) won't care forever. Apathy is the deadliest curse for a community-driven site.
 
Perhaps keep the writer in question off the front page and dedicate him the "blog" part of the site.

I wish this suggestion was taken...I can't believe this is still an issue.

The Nascar article has generated a two page "feedback" thread...
 
I wish this suggestion was taken...I can't believe this is still an issue.

It seemed like it had been that way for the past couple of months, a majority of his posts were on the blog with a limited number on the FP. Now all of a sudden it appears that has changed.
 
It seemed like it had been that way for the past couple of months, a majority of his posts were on the blog with a limited number on the FP. Now all of a sudden it appears that has changed.


And it's already time for it to go back like that!
 
Ask yourself, how many people constantly criticising Jordan have applied to become a writer...?

Then ask yourself does envy play in to any of this continued criticism?

Seems again the same old people complaining, I'd be extremely interested to know if they've applied to be a writer.

It's also funny, anyone who complimented Jordan on his article was down voted. :rolleyes:

Your daily jackass.

Me.
 
Ask yourself, how many people constantly criticising Jordan have applied to become a writer...?

Then ask yourself does envy play in to any of this continued criticism?

Seems again the same old people complaining, I'd be extremely interested to know if they've applied to be a writer.

It's also funny, anyone who complimented Jordan on his article was down voted. :rolleyes:

Your daily jackass.

Me.


Except he has been criticized well before applications for writers were being taken....
 
Except he has been criticized well before applications for writers were being taken....


True, I just find it unfair on him. Arn must approve these articles, so why isn't everyone making threads attacking him? I wonder...

If Arn doesn't approve the stories, then I rest my case. I just can't help feel certain individuals are wanting Jordan's position.
 
Ask yourself, how many people constantly criticising Jordan have applied to become a writer...?

Then ask yourself does envy play in to any of this continued criticism?

Seems again the same old people complaining, I'd be extremely interested to know if they've applied to be a writer.

But that theory doesn't hold up to even the most simplistic analysis does it?

How would being critical of the site's editorial policy help you to get a writer's job?

Your daily jackass.
If you say so.
 
Note that this was about 10 months ago, and that the same criticisms about front page writing have been leveled for about 1 year now. I'm amazed at my own capacity to care about a site that has so obviously let itself lose its integrity

You're not the only one who is amazed. I have dozens of private conversations a day with my fellow MR readers. We all marvel of your capacity to continue after so many months. How long will you go on? Is there an App available to track the days? :rolleyes:

but I can assure you that most of the "vocal minority" (there we go, again) won't care forever. Apathy is the deadliest curse for a community-driven site.

Well, it is a [small] minority. In the spirit of this month's MR community activity, a particular quote comes to mind: It takes all types.

Paul Ford's blog post The Web Is a Customer Service Medium captures the sense of entitlement that all of us have on the Internet from time to time. It's healthy to care, but unhealthy to care excessively.


The problem is that none of this is relevant to the mission statement of MacRumors.

What mission statement? :confused:

I can believe that you might find it interesting (and resist all desires to point out that this is NASCAR...), but it doesn't make it relevant to the front page of the site. If NASA invents warp drive tomorrow, I would find it interesting, novel, and no doubt many readers would be excited to learn more. But that doesn't make it relevant to the site.

A NASA story about warp drive would be interesting and appropriate -- if Apple's tech were somehow intimately involved. This story is interesting because it charts how users are shifting from paper-based (and laptop-based) solutions to iPads. We're still very early in the transition to tablets; detailed portrayals of the first to make that transition are indeed interesting to many users.

This isn't supposed to be a blog about the applications of existing hardware [...] Just because you might find it interesting doesn't mean it belongs

And just because you don't find it interesting doesn't meant it should be excluded. This is where you over-extended.

Some articles interest me; some don't. I skip the ones that don't. Did you read the Paul Ford article?
 
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True, I just find it unfair on him. Arn must approve these articles, so why isn't everyone making threads attacking him? I wonder...

Given the silly, inane mistakes we witnessed nearly a year ago, I think it's obvious Arn doesn't (or at the very least doesn't always) review the articles before they go up. Perhaps that's changed in the last year, but based on Jordan's continued bad habits/ mistakes, I don't think that's the case.

If Arn doesn't approve the stories, then I rest my case. I just can't help feel certain individuals are wanting Jordan's position.

That's a rather interesting interpretation on your part. :freud:

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You mean there isn't a Freud emoticon?
 
You're not the only one who is amazed. I have dozens of private conversations a day with my fellow MR readers. We all marvel of your capacity to continue after so many months. How long will you go on? Is there an App available to track the days? :rolleyes:



Well, it is a [small] minority. In the spirit of this month's MR community activity, a particular quote comes to mind: It takes all types.

Paul Ford's blog post The Web Is a Customer Service Medium captures the sense of entitlement that all of us have on the Internet from time to time. It's healthy to care, but unhealthy to care excessively.




What mission statement? :confused:



A NASA story about warp drive would be interesting and appropriate -- if Apple's tech were somehow intimately involved. This story is interesting because it charts how users are shifting from paper-based (and laptop-based) solutions to iPads. We're still very early in the transition to tablets; detailed portrayals of the first to make that transition are indeed interesting to many users.



And just because you don't find it interesting doesn't meant it should be excluded. This is where you over-extended.

Some articles interest me; some don't. I skip the ones that don't. Did you read the Paul Ford article?
The problem with these articles and the front page in general is that they are supposed to be rumors not press releases or op ed peices.
 
The problem with these articles and the front page in general is that they are supposed to be rumors not press releases or op ed peices.

FloatingBones has been here for six years, he remembers the golden olden days. ;)
 
The problem with these articles and the front page in general is that they are supposed to be rumors not press releases or op ed peices.

Every page says it: news and rumors you care about. @CalBoy talks about some different mission statement for MacRumors. AFAICT, those six words are the mission statement -- at least for the front page, Mac Blog, and iOS blog.

FloatingBones has been here for six years, he remembers the golden olden days. ;)

That's only the time I was a registered user. I'd been lurking for far longer than that. ;)
 
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