I am curious why so many want a camera in their Touch. I really see little to no value in this feature. Since there is no phone capability the only way to move pic off of it is via a dock or wifi. I live in the San Francisco area and its hard to locate free wifi. I actually don't find may in the internet based apps on my 16 g 1st Gen Touch of much value - I use it really as a media player when not a home, and its almost at full storage capacity. Also I have a cellphone (company provided) that has a camera, and I usually have it with me, so I have a camera. If you're carrying a Touch and a cellphone, why do you need two devices in your pocket with cameras? Personally, I rather have Apple skip a camera in the 4th Gen Touch and increase the battery size for longer life in it.