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I'm sure someones already posted and said this but most of the reasons that the original poster was justifying the cost of the Macs over PCs was the included software, although I agree with this, you seem to forget that all of the software is included with the computer. If that really is the reason you don't have the option of not having it and taking off the cost of it off of the PC, you may only want 1 or 2 of the applications or even none of them, why would you want to pay more for something that you will probably never use? Also, not forgetting that if you're upgrading computers or even buying multiple computers, why would you want to pay for the software more than once, at least when you buy a PC you get this choice.

What if I don't want iLife, what if I want to use Microsoft Office still instead of iWork? What if I just upgraded my computer and don't want to pay for the software again? What if I don't want to backup my files? What if I'm not a developer?

If this is the case then surely the people that don't want or don't use the software included with your computer are subsidising the cost of others and those that do, which means its cost would be even more. But then, if its free, its free and included with your computer, you can't pretend like it costs more than it is, its only worth so much if you have a use for it and will use it.

Not to mention that you can get and use iTunes on Windows for free too so that's hardly a point you can use here to justify it either.

However, I do agree with some of the things here and I do justify the higher costs but I guess, it's just for different reasons.
 
Both Dell and MS have posted pages comparing Dell hardware to Apple hardware and Windows 7 to OS X. Needless to say the comparisons are slanted in favor of Dell and MS.

One of the things that drove me away from Windows was MS inability to make its own software work with its own software. A Win 95 machine couldn't see an NT machine which couldn't see an XP machine on the network. It was astoundingly annoying. Now that our household has all Apple gear, we can always always always see one another on the network. What is intermittent is our Linux based file servers. I wish Apple would invest a little more in interoperability with non Apple gear. There are some things a Time Capsule simply doesn't do, like running an ftp server dropbox for our network scanner. Whenever there is a power failure, our Iomega NAS drive goes dark. I've been digging through all the config pages and there is no "come back on after a power failure" switch I can set. If only Time Capsule offered anonymous FTP access, I'd dump the Iomega.

Then there is wifi interoperability. I've tried a number of routers. Apple gear doesn't play well with the ones I've tried from Netgear and Linksys hence the fact I now use an Airport Extreme. So when I bring home my Windows XP SP 3 laptop it loses connectivity to the AE from time to time. While I applaud Apple's ability to make Apple gear work with Apple gear, I with they'd do a little better playing seamlessly with non-Apple gear.

Lastly, I have a complaint about a clash between two pieces of Apple gear. My daughter's iPod Touch got into a sync fight with her Mac Mini. She now refuses to use iTunes on OS X and uses it on her school issued Windows laptop. She never should have been faced with that situation but the damage is already done. She will always remember how both iTunes and her iPod Touch locked up when she connected it. This is clearly an example of how Apple isn't totally bulletproof.

Is Apple gear still worth more? Absolutely. I ran down the comparison shown on Dell's web site and saw the delta between allegedly identical hardware configurations was about $1200. Is it worth an extra $1200 to me to not deal with Windows BS (even on Windows 7)? Yes.

I took over responsibility for a church raffle with many thousands of tickets. I decided to use a ms excel worksheet to track who has which tickets. I started with docs2go on my iPad and created the worksheet then I allowed it to sync with my iDisk. Next, I did another round of data entry from my iPod Touch and let it sync. Lastly, I pulled up the file from my iDisk this morning from a Windows box so I could take another look at it. Sure I could have gotten the same thing done using dropbox or another free service but I'm impressed with the way Mobile Me worked in this instance. I know this raffle example is not the sort of "killer app" one would expect to argue in favor of using OS X as my primary computing platform but it is one example of why I'm happy and will continue to cheerfully pay the "Apple Tax" for the foreseeable future.
 
I agree with everything, however a thing about the hardware. I've seen plently of Windows computers (laptops and desktops) from the late 1990s and early 2000s still running fine. Same goes for Mac. When you go to best buy today, most of the laptops, even the expensive ones are made of flimsy cheap plastic. Macs still do have a solid build, but still have build defects. And with all computers, (Macs and PCs) it seems that they don't last as long as they used too.
My friend has an iMac from 2006 and it died in 2009. I've seen plenty of Apple notebooks have logic board failures. That being said I see the same with PCs too. Regardless of their brand, electronics (computers included) don't seem to be built to last as long. As nice as Macs are, they do use some cheap crummy parts.
 
I agree with everything, however a thing about the hardware. I've seen plently of Windows computers (laptops and desktops) from the late 1990s and early 2000s still running fine. Same goes for Mac. When you go to best buy today, most of the laptops, even the expensive ones are made of flimsy cheap plastic. Macs still do have a solid build, but still have build defects. And with all computers, (Macs and PCs) it seems that they don't last as long as they used too.
My friend has an iMac from 2006 and it died in 2009. I've seen plenty of Apple notebooks have logic board failures. That being said I see the same with PCs too. Regardless of their brand, electronics (computers included) don't seem to be built to last as long. As nice as Macs are, they do use some cheap crummy parts.

I have some anecdotal evidence of your last point. I purchased a Time Capsule and it failed right on schedule in its 18th month. Google or Mroogle for "Time Capsule Power Supply Failure" if you want to see what I'm talking about. And Apple claimed we had "server class backup" in these things. I got mine replaced free because I still had at least one computer backing up to it that was under active AppleCare. Since then, Apple has announced a 100% replacement policy and are refunding those that were replaced before.

I have another bit of evidence to support why I think the "Apple Tax" is worth paying. At the office, we get pdf's all day non stop. Can I "quick look" them in the OS? No. I must launch Acrobat Reader. What a piece of doo doo. I also have a number of freeware pdf viewers but they all have their limitations and I finally had to make Acrobat Reader my default PDF viewer. That's at work. On Windows. At home I have no such problem. I downloade Acrobat Reader when a prof published homework with formulas that were unreadable in QuickView or Preview. I installed it in Applications and only used it when and if I wanted to, unlike windows where Acrobat Reader seems to pop up at the most inopportune times. Well, to put it more bluntly, Windows lacks Quick View. Without Quick View, I must launch pigs like Office 2007 or Acrobat simply to check an invitation for a date or location.

No such nonsense at home on my Mac. I see what I need to see right there in Quick View. And it's named appropriately. I am never more than 5 seconds from the data I need from the time I wiggle the mouse to get out of the screen saver to the time I have the data I came for and that includes entering my OS X password. On windows, simply launching a single application can take half a minute to as much as 90 seconds. Yes, I know I have an older machine with a doofus IT group that inflicted me with 97% CPU devoted to keyloggers and virus scanners but if only Windows had QuickView, I wouldn't be obligated to sit through launching an app merely to examine the contents of an email attachment or a file sitting around I haven't opened in months. I've played with a number of "fixes" on Windows like launchy but QuickView is the sort of thing that really should have been built into the OS. Why didn't MS do it? Have they ever produced a piece of software that could be accused of being quick? While OS X reduced in size going from 10.5 to 10.6 and iLife got faster going to newer versions, everything that comes from Redmond seems to be secretly designed to force people to consider new hardware to handle the intentional bloat. I've gone through numerous iterations of Leopard and Snow Leopard with performance remaining at a reasonable level on my home machine while on my work machine XP has gotten slower and slower with every forced hotfix.

Both my machines are about the same age. My Penryn White Macbook is early 2008 vintage and my Dell Latitude D630 is late 2007 vintage. Both started out fast. One still is fast (guess which) and the other runs like molasses in January. What Apple is selling is Time. It is hard to put a price on Time. But Time spent doing stuff I need to do is far more desirable than Time spent fixing stuff or looking at the @*&%$ hourglass. And yes, I see the beachball from time to time but it is a rare occurance unlike the hourglass on Windows that is my constant companion. I'll come back to this thread (if it's still open) when I get Win 7 loaded at work but given the fact the same IT knuckleheads are in charge I expect it to be at least as slow and bloated as my pathetic XP SP3. And before you start browbeating me about maintenance, I have freed up 20 gig disk space and defragged and cleaned out the temp directory on my XP box ( all of which happen automagically on OS X). I have found that an OS X machine with 0 bytes free runs more smoothly than Windows on an empty volume.
 
I have some anecdotal evidence of your last point. I purchased a Time Capsule and it failed right on schedule in its 18th month. Google or Mroogle for "Time Capsule Power Supply Failure" if you want to see what I'm talking about. And Apple claimed we had "server class backup" in these things. I got mine replaced free because I still had at least one computer backing up to it that was under active AppleCare. Since then, Apple has announced a 100% replacement policy and are refunding those that were replaced before.

I have another bit of evidence to support why I think the "Apple Tax" is worth paying. At the office, we get pdf's all day non stop. Can I "quick look" them in the OS? No. I must launch Acrobat Reader. What a piece of doo doo. I also have a number of freeware pdf viewers but they all have their limitations and I finally had to make Acrobat Reader my default PDF viewer. That's at work. On Windows. At home I have no such problem. I downloade Acrobat Reader when a prof published homework with formulas that were unreadable in QuickView or Preview. I installed it in Applications and only used it when and if I wanted to, unlike windows where Acrobat Reader seems to pop up at the most inopportune times. Well, to put it more bluntly, Windows lacks Quick View. Without Quick View, I must launch pigs like Office 2007 or Acrobat simply to check an invitation for a date or location.

No such nonsense at home on my Mac. I see what I need to see right there in Quick View. And it's named appropriately. I am never more than 5 seconds from the data I need from the time I wiggle the mouse to get out of the screen saver to the time I have the data I came for and that includes entering my OS X password. On windows, simply launching a single application can take half a minute to as much as 90 seconds. Yes, I know I have an older machine with a doofus IT group that inflicted me with 97% CPU devoted to keyloggers and virus scanners but if only Windows had QuickView, I wouldn't be obligated to sit through launching an app merely to examine the contents of an email attachment or a file sitting around I haven't opened in months. I've played with a number of "fixes" on Windows like launchy but QuickView is the sort of thing that really should have been built into the OS. Why didn't MS do it? Have they ever produced a piece of software that could be accused of being quick? While OS X reduced in size going from 10.5 to 10.6 and iLife got faster going to newer versions, everything that comes from Redmond seems to be secretly designed to force people to consider new hardware to handle the intentional bloat. I've gone through numerous iterations of Leopard and Snow Leopard with performance remaining at a reasonable level on my home machine while on my work machine XP has gotten slower and slower with every forced hotfix.

Both my machines are about the same age. My Penryn White Macbook is early 2008 vintage and my Dell Latitude D630 is late 2007 vintage. Both started out fast. One still is fast (guess which) and the other runs like molasses in January. What Apple is selling is Time. It is hard to put a price on Time. But Time spent doing stuff I need to do is far more desirable than Time spent fixing stuff or looking at the @*&%$ hourglass. And yes, I see the beachball from time to time but it is a rare occurance unlike the hourglass on Windows that is my constant companion. I'll come back to this thread (if it's still open) when I get Win 7 loaded at work but given the fact the same IT knuckleheads are in charge I expect it to be at least as slow and bloated as my pathetic XP SP3. And before you start browbeating me about maintenance, I have freed up 20 gig disk space and defragged and cleaned out the temp directory on my XP box ( all of which happen automagically on OS X). I have found that an OS X machine with 0 bytes free runs more smoothly than Windows on an empty volume.

Feel dumb for paying the Apple Tax yet? Try to not compare a recent OS X to an OS released around 10.0 - 10.1
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agree with OP
my sister got a sony laptop for around $2000 with taxes and insurance and shipping and its already on its way out
it makes tons of crackling noises while just doing simple things like going on twitter
i guess its good she got that insurance on it

anyway my friends MBP from 2 years ago is going strong and never had to use his applecare for repairs
 
agree with OP
my sister got a sony laptop for around $2000 with taxes and insurance and shipping and its already on its way out
it makes tons of crackling noises while just doing simple things like going on twitter
i guess its good she got that insurance on it

anyway my friends MBP from 2 years ago is going strong and never had to use his applecare for repairs
My Dell from 2007 is still going good, my Gateway from 2000 was actually still being used as a computer until 2 days ago which just got replaced by my Dell laptop and I switched to an HP Envy 14.

Core i5-450M, 6 GB RAM, 160GBIntel G2 SSD, 1GB ATI 5650, backlit keyboard, 1600x900 350nit screen for $1095
 
apple laptop reliability is about the same as major Windows OEM vendors according to Consumer Reports survey.

Apple desktop Reliability is quite a bit higher.

Apple customer service and support are rated extraordinarily higher than Windows OEMs in CR surverys.
 
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I have another bit of evidence to support why I think the "Apple Tax" is worth paying. At the office, we get pdf's all day non stop. Can I "quick look" them in the OS? No. I must launch Acrobat Reader. What a piece of doo doo. I also have a number of freeware pdf viewers but they all have their limitations and I finally had to make Acrobat Reader my default PDF viewer. That's at work. On Windows. At home I have no such problem. I downloade Acrobat Reader when a prof published homework with formulas that were unreadable in QuickView or Preview. I installed it in Applications and only used it when and if I wanted to, unlike windows where Acrobat Reader seems to pop up at the most inopportune times. Well, to put it more bluntly, Windows lacks Quick View. Without Quick View, I must launch pigs like Office 2007 or Acrobat simply to check an invitation for a date or location.

No such nonsense at home on my Mac. I see what I need to see right there in Quick View. And it's named appropriately. I am never more than 5 seconds from the data I need from the time I wiggle the mouse to get out of the screen saver to the time I have the data I came for and that includes entering my OS X password. On windows, simply launching a single application can take half a minute to as much as 90 seconds. Yes, I know I have an older machine with a doofus IT group that inflicted me with 97% CPU devoted to keyloggers and virus scanners but if only Windows had QuickView, I wouldn't be obligated to sit through launching an app merely to examine the contents of an email attachment or a file sitting around I haven't opened in months. I've played with a number of "fixes" on Windows like launchy but QuickView is the sort of thing that really should have been built into the OS. Why didn't MS do it? Have they ever produced a piece of software that could be accused of being quick? While OS X reduced in size going from 10.5 to 10.6 and iLife got faster going to newer versions, everything that comes from Redmond seems to be secretly designed to force people to consider new hardware to handle the intentional bloat. I've gone through numerous iterations of Leopard and Snow Leopard with performance remaining at a reasonable level on my home machine while on my work machine XP has gotten slower and slower with every forced hotfix.

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Feel dumb for paying the Apple Tax yet? Try to not compare a recent OS X to an OS released around 10.0 - 10.1
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Nice try but no I don't feel dumb for paying the Apple tax one bit. The next time I post an example I will make an effort to be more fair and try something in Windows 7 rather than dusty old XP. I was motivated by convenience. Perhaps I will get my hands on a Win 7 box later this week and update this thread.

I know there is a "preview" pane available in Windows Explorer and I rather like Windows Explorer better than I like the Finder. What I didn't go into in my post is that in OS X, the native format for passing graphical objects around isn't png or a windows metafile, it's pdf. So there is no need to "launch" an application to render a preview pane like the one you posted. On my Windows box, if I enable previews in Explorer, I experience a lag while the OS goes and drags adobe reader into active memory to show me the preview.

I don't know if this is true for Windows 7 and I really don't care that much but for the sake of fairness I will check when I get a chance. You see I was enjoying "quick view" back in 2007 when OS X ran mainly on Motorola processors and the rest of the world was suffering with XP and Vista. Glad to see that Windows has moved another micron closer to being a modern OS.

I'm curious, how much lag was involved in bring up the preview you show in your example? I find that "Quick Look" (I called it by the wrong name in my earlier post) is quick even on my 2.5 year old machine (latest SL) or my 4.5 year old PPC based machine (updated from Tiger to Leopard). I wonder how quick your preview pane will be 2.5 years from now when Windows has had 30 months to stuff itself full of temp files and 14,000 registry entries a second and my Macs continue to prune their own fluff by means of daily, weekly and monthly cron jobs. Yes, I think I'd happily take that bet. As I said in my post, it's all about Time. A computer that saves me Time is ultimately saving me Money.
 
Nice try but no I don't feel dumb for paying the Apple tax one bit. The next time I post an example I will make an effort to be more fair and try something in Windows 7 rather than dusty old XP. I was motivated by convenience. Perhaps I will get my hands on a Win 7 box later this week and update this thread.

I know there is a "preview" pane available in Windows Explorer and I rather like Windows Explorer better than I like the Finder. What I didn't go into in my post is that in OS X, the native format for passing graphical objects around isn't png or a windows metafile, it's pdf. So there is no need to "launch" an application to render a preview pane like the one you posted. On my Windows box, if I enable previews in Explorer, I experience a lag while the OS goes and drags adobe reader into active memory to show me the preview.

I don't know if this is true for Windows 7 and I really don't care that much but for the sake of fairness I will check when I get a chance. You see I was enjoying "quick view" back in 2007 when OS X ran mainly on Motorola processors and the rest of the world was suffering with XP and Vista. Glad to see that Windows has moved another micron closer to being a modern OS.

I'm curious, how much lag was involved in bring up the preview you show in your example? I find that "Quick View" is quick even on my 2.5 year old machine (latest SL) or my 4.5 year old PPC based machine (updated from Tiger to Leopard). I wonder how quick your preview pane will be 2.5 years from now when Windows has had 30 months to stuff itself full of temp files and 14,000 registry entries a second and my Macs continue to prune their own fluff by means of daily, weekly and monthly cron jobs. Yes, I think I'd happily take that bet. As I said in my post, it's all about Time. A computer that saves me Time is ultimately saving me Money.

~0.5 seconds on my $1095 Core i5-450M, 160GB Intel G2 SSD, 6GB RAM, 1GB ATI 5650 HP Envy 14
 
I'm still using my Macbook Pro Core 2 Duo purchased in November of 2006. Upgraded to 320GB HD, 3GB or ram and Snow Leopard. Machine stays on 24/7 and hasnt let me down yet. Thats pretty damn impressive if you ask me. I used to go through 1 PC a year before I got my Macbook. Dell, Sony, Gateway, you name it, I had it. Not saying that those are bad brands or anything. Just saying how long my Macbook has been going and its still not outdated. Maybe a little tired. :)
 
Open a Finder WINDOW.

In that window, does the folder have a thumbnail? NO. That's what I'm talking about.

In Windows, I do this:

- Open the folder.
- Copy an image into the folder.
- Rename it "folder.jpg".

Done. Can Snow Leopard do that? NO. Can it even put a thumbnail on a folder IN A FINDER WINDOW? NO. Now do you get it??

I don't understand. You said it was impossible in Snow Leopard. I proved it was possible. Now you're just making up rules that make no sense. You can create a thumbnail for the folder in 5 seconds, the methods by which you do it are completely irrelevant.
 
I don't understand. You said it was impossible in Snow Leopard. I proved it was possible. Now you're just making up rules that make no sense. You can create a thumbnail for the folder in 5 seconds, the methods by which you do it are completely irrelevant.

I asked if you could make a thumbnail ON A FOLDER in Finder - referring to a FINDER WINDOW. You cannot. Get Info is not the same thing.

If I'm looking at an entire directory full of music - 500 folders deep - I shouldn't have to go to Get Info on each of them, nor should I have to open iTunes to see Coverflow. I should be able to open my Music folder and see images. Windows 7 does, Snow Leopard doesn't. Period. You didn't prove anything except ignorance about what Windows 7 can do.

This is exactly what I'm talking about doing. I correct my stance somewhat:

http://4blues1pink.blogspot.com/2009/11/mac-placing-preview-picture-on-your.html

The problem is apparent:

- Size limitation. Windows will resize any image to fit the folder automatically. Snow Leopard wants a specific size or it conks out.
- The need to go to Get Info to set it on a given folder means one has to do that for every folder that needs an image. Windows will just do it by virtue of "folder.jpg" being inside which makes for a lot faster experience.
- Seems to cause issues with Coverflow (for those that care).

That's more than "5 seconds" to be sure. Tedious. I count that as a failure.


in OSX your music is typically in iTunes, photos are in iPHoto and home movies are in iMovie. There's no need to paste images onto folders.

Different philosophy.

Windows is still folder and file run. Their photo program is just some photo retouching controls patched onto Windows Explorer.

And that methodology works for someone who wants it. I shouldn't have to open one of four apps just to be able to see custom images. If I have a photo folder maybe I want to set an entirely different image as the cover folder. Can't do that in iPhoto. If I have a folder with the Transformers movies maybe I want the logo instead of a screenshot on the folder. Can't do that in iMovie. Maybe I want a sexy shot of Mya instead of her album art on her music folder. Can't do that in iTunes. I should be able to just open a folder and see images on the folders within that FOR ME describe the contents. Maybe I'm just looking to see if I have a folder for a given artist. Maybe I need to drag a few artists to a friend's USB stick. Maybe I'm adding to my media center library. Who knows? Point is, I need it in the folder, not via another app or another utility (Get Info).

For people who don't care, fine. I care. It matters to me.

THE BOTTOM LINE IS, Windows 7 will do it. Snow Leopard will not, at least not the way it needs to be done for me.


Feel dumb for paying the Apple Tax yet? Try to not compare a recent OS X to an OS released around 10.0 - 10.1

I guarantee that 95% of the people posting in this thread have never touched Windows 7 yet are attempting to speak to it as if it were Windows XP. They have no clue just how far Windows has come. Some folks here are the picture perfect example of "blind Apple fanboy" as noted on other tech sites. They can't see beyond the glowing apple and they don't respect/accept that every OS has merits and failings, even Snow Leopard.
 
90% of the Win 7 / OSX arguments wouldn't exist if Apple fixed bootcamp drivers to make windows as usable as in a pc and yeah,
 
THE BOTTOM LINE IS, Windows 7 will do it. Snow Leopard will not, at least not the way it needs to be done for me.
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And thus we see the reason that most people don't like a Mac - Because it's not Windows.

Using a different OS requires some "re-learning." Ever buy a new car and gotten frustrated because you couldn't make the radio do what you wanted or find the correct adjustment for the seat? Bet you didn't trade it in or bash it to everyone... my guess is that you learned to use it THE WAY IT WAS INTENDED by its designer.

Just my two cents...
 
And that methodology works for someone who wants it. I shouldn't have to open one of four apps just to be able to see custom images. If I have a photo folder maybe I want to set an entirely different image as the cover folder. Can't do that in iPhoto. If I have a folder with the Transformers movies maybe I want the logo instead of a screenshot on the folder. Can't do that in iMovie. Maybe I want a sexy shot of Mya instead of her album art on her music folder. Can't do that in iTunes. I should be able to just open a folder and see images on the folders within that FOR ME describe the contents. Maybe I'm just looking to see if I have a folder for a given artist. Maybe I need to drag a few artists to a friend's USB stick. Maybe I'm adding to my media center library. Who knows? Point is, I need it in the folder, not via another app or another utility (Get Info).
For people who don't care, fine. I care. It matters to me.

THE BOTTOM LINE IS, Windows 7 will do it. Snow Leopard will not, at least not the way it needs to be done for me.

Good for you. No one else really cares. :D

You can mouse over an event in iPHoto and can see every photo inside instantly. Take that.

You can put whatever art you want into iTunes. You can put whatever photo you want to represent your event in iphoto in the group first and then its the cover photo.

.....

Maybe you just need to give this point a rest. It's different philosophies. You don't have to like one or the other. But it's like arguing chocolate vs vanilla.
 
I asked if you could make a thumbnail ON A FOLDER in Finder - referring to a FINDER WINDOW. You cannot. Get Info is not the same thing.

If I'm looking at an entire directory full of music - 500 folders deep - I shouldn't have to go to Get Info on each of them, nor should I have to open iTunes to see Coverflow. I should be able to open my Music folder and see images. Windows 7 does, Snow Leopard doesn't. Period. You didn't prove anything except ignorance about what Windows 7 can do.

This is exactly what I'm talking about doing. I correct my stance somewhat:

http://4blues1pink.blogspot.com/2009/11/mac-placing-preview-picture-on-your.html

The problem is apparent:

- Size limitation. Windows will resize any image to fit the folder automatically. Snow Leopard wants a specific size or it conks out.
- The need to go to Get Info to set it on a given folder means one has to do that for every folder that needs an image. Windows will just do it by virtue of "folder.jpg" being inside which makes for a lot faster experience.
- Seems to cause issues with Coverflow (for those that care).

That's more than "5 seconds" to be sure. Tedious. I count that as a failure.




And that methodology works for someone who wants it. I shouldn't have to open one of four apps just to be able to see custom images. If I have a photo folder maybe I want to set an entirely different image as the cover folder. Can't do that in iPhoto. If I have a folder with the Transformers movies maybe I want the logo instead of a screenshot on the folder. Can't do that in iMovie. Maybe I want a sexy shot of Mya instead of her album art on her music folder. Can't do that in iTunes. I should be able to just open a folder and see images on the folders within that FOR ME describe the contents. Maybe I'm just looking to see if I have a folder for a given artist. Maybe I need to drag a few artists to a friend's USB stick. Maybe I'm adding to my media center library. Who knows? Point is, I need it in the folder, not via another app or another utility (Get Info).

For people who don't care, fine. I care. It matters to me.

THE BOTTOM LINE IS, Windows 7 will do it. Snow Leopard will not, at least not the way it needs to be done for me.




I guarantee that 95% of the people posting in this thread have never touched Windows 7 yet are attempting to speak to it as if it were Windows XP. They have no clue just how far Windows has come. Some folks here are the picture perfect example of "blind Apple fanboy" as noted on other tech sites. They can't see beyond the glowing apple and they don't respect/accept that every OS has merits and failings, even Snow Leopard.

You're either kidding me or just failing to make a point.

-There's no size limitation, it works with any image, and image resizing is the most idiotic thing I've seen, it screws up the contents of the image.
- The amount of time you spend on copying+pasting the image on the folder and renaming it on Windows, you spend the same amount on Snow Leopard.
-There are no issues with coverflow whatsoever, you're making this up. Stop being delusional.

Get Info is a part of Finder. I'll repeat. A part of Finder. Your original post mentioned Finder, not a direct Finder window. It's not a separate utility, it's not an app. It's a function from Finder. You use it as a part of the folder. It works well and fast.

And you're mixing subjects, by the way...


As js81 said, you don't like it because it's not Windows.

Also, your argument on those 95% of people is just silly.
 
A user has legitimate complaint and blind Apple fan pretends its nothing. Bravo

Actually it's not a legitimate complaint, since he's discussing preferences. If it just doesn't work like he would like it to, he's probably coming from Windows and has probably never used SL seriously.

A legitimate complaint is about something that either doesn't work properly or not as described/advertised.
 
Actually it's not a legitimate complaint, since he's discussing preferences. If it just doesn't work like he would like it to, he's probably coming from Windows and has probably never used SL seriously.

A legitimate complaint is about something that either doesn't work properly or not as described/advertised.

I heard Macs "just work". By reading this forum it seems they dont. :apple:
 
I heard Macs "just work". By reading this forum it seems they dont. :apple:

Then you mis-understood what is being discussed. This guy is just saying it doesn't work like he would like it to, but that's coming from someone who probably comes from Windows and hasn't gotten used to Macs. They just work, but in a different way.
 
Then you mis-understood what is being discussed. This guy is just saying it doesn't work like he would like it to, but that's coming from someone who probably comes from Windows and hasn't gotten used to Macs. They just work, but in a different way.

They dont "just work" as proven by the numerous problem threads. Should one be angered when they have an issue with a Mac?
 
~0.5 seconds on my $1095 Core i5-450M, 160GB Intel G2 SSD, 6GB RAM, 1GB ATI 5650 HP Envy 14

I would not complain if I were seeing 0.5 or even 5 seconds. On my IT mismangled machine, nothing happens in 0.5 seconds. I should also note that back in the day, when I did my own IT on Win XP at home, it was never as slow as what I deal with around here every day. Still, I don't think I've ever experienced a Windows environment where I could preview files in 0.5 seconds. I would imagine the 6 gig of RAM helps. I don't own a single machine with that much RAM. I've asked for more RAM here but as my machine is due to be replaced in a few months, it would probably take longer to get the extra RAM than to simply wait for the new box.

The time that is stolen from my productivity every day is astounding. Several minutes to get email open, even if I walk away for coffee and come back I sit a long time after clicking to refresh my inbox. This isn't just a Windows thing. I'm not at all happy with Apple Mail either. It's just that on my Windows box, I have the additional aggravation of frequent "freezes" while I'm waiting for my inbox to open. And by freezes, I mean the entire OS is frozen, and I'm unable to even hit ctrl-alt-delete to bring up the task manager. Start up and shut down to and from standby are astoundingly slow. It's like Windows is a spoiled toddler who doesn't want to go to sleep when told. I often toss my notebook in its bag in disgust listening to chirps and beeps while I walk to my car and quite often I'm all the way down the elevator to the first floor by the time the darn thing is groggy enough to fall asleep. Then there is the aforementioned lack of a credible QuickLook. Office 2007 is good for a 90 second delay every time I launch any of its applications. I cannot even preview a document without a prolonged freeze. Acrobat is a horribly slow memory hog that sits there hemorrhaging memory while I'm working on other things. If I want to open a PDF at home, I can see it at full resolution in less time than it takes to hear the mouse click. That's faster than the speed of sound. If I want to be able to edit it, a double click gets it open in Preview in about 0.5 seconds. At this point I have over 50% of the capabilities I would have inside Adobe Acrobat Editor in windows. Then there's McAffee enterprise, with all it's scan settings greyed out by our administrator, humming away scanning documents I created 15 minutes ago.

Remember Apple's last "Vista" ad, "Trust Me"? I often think of that when I suffer through this BS on my work-issued XP box even though most of the issues I experience are caused by our IT department and badly written third party apps. The best advertising Apple ever got was created by all these companies clinging to 10 year old software and treating users like our time is not valuable. But I also think of it when I'm over at a friend's house and they ask me for help with a Win 7 problem and I see the same old dialogs I got sick of years ago. The code base from Windows NT 3.51 lives on in Windows 7. The same annoyances that bother me at the office are one or two clicks away in 7 (which is really Windows NT 7. Vista was 6, or is that pronounced sick?) Apple swallowed a bitter pill a decade ago when they turned their back on decades of spaghetti code and adopted a Unix based OS. Microsoft has yet to even think about such a thing. I open system profiler on my low end Mac computer about 3 times a year. I open task manager to try to figure out what Windows thinks it's doing about 3 times an hour. Like I said, I'll come along later and update my findings once we come out from under XP SP3 but there are those in this thread who claim old windows boxes run "just fine" and I have experience that leads me to believe this is not true.

I have a Macbook with 2gig of RAM and several Mac Minis with 1 gig of RAM apiece. I almost never find myself running for system profiler (OS X equivalent of task manager). Unix likes to keep its swap on a dedicated partition. This is very important to operating system stability. On a windows box, hyberfile.sys and pagefile.sys are on the boot drive. Everything is on the boot partition. When the boot partition fills up, you are all done, often unable to even move the mouse. On a Mac, when the boot partition fills up, the only way I would notice it is if I go to save a large file and it fails. Then I can go free up some space and save the file. No trip to the hardware power switch or "safe mode" required.

Have I ever seen a kernel panic? Yes. Have I ever reset one of my Macs? Yes. I've even reinstalled OS X a few times. But reinstalling OS X is a simple matter of inserting the DVD and picking "archive and install". No settings to replicate. No passwords or accounts to re-create. No freakin' crap-shoot plug and play to sit through. Just a few minutes and all is fresh and clean like the day I picked it up in the store WITH all my files and settings. Oh, and by the way. All the Finder windows I had open are still open after the install. The first time I saw this I was floored. I remember spending hours and hours sweating with windows installs on home built boxes and used HP's and Dells and this was fully automatic.

From surface level features like QuickLook, to underlying features like cron jobs to clean out cruft, to behind the scenes features like easy upgrades and installs, to fewer dialog boxes about stuff I don't need to know or care about, it all adds up. I would estimate that I have saved over 200 hours of (drivers, network failure, virus definition update, cd key number, inability to print, and just plain clicking OK) fuss since going from 4 windows (XP) boxes to 4 Macs. That's way more than half a second.
 

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