Why all the hate?

[lost eden]

Did you actually READ WHAT I WROTE?

I said, I go, I purchase a MacBook and REPLACE Mac OS X with Windows. The operative word in that is REPLACE, no working side by side, not working within a virtual machine but REPLACE.

Why would someone pay more for a piece of hardware that offers NOTHING above a generic PC laptop if one isn't even going to run Mac OS X?

I think you too are missing something here. Firstly this;

If you're going to use Windows native applications on Linux, you might as well use Windows and done with it.

is a hugely flawed argument. Care to explain to me why you think that? The way I see it, in the situation given I get all of the benefits of Linux & can still use native Windows applications. Running Windows applications in Linux is not stupid. It means that you can run a far superior OS & still have access to any commercial, proprietary applications that do not have Open Source alternatives.

Also;

Using Windows native applications on Linux is as stupid as purchasing a MacBook and only running Windows on it (removing Mac OS X completely).

This analogy is flawed. The corrected version is this;

Using Windows native applications on Linux is as stupid as purchasing a MacBook and using Windows native applications on OS X.

I'm sure you will agree that this isn't stupid at all, otherwise products such as VMWare Fusion & Parallels wouldn't be so popular.

 

[kaiwai]

Then those applications will never be properly supported under such an environment as Wine. If there was a perfect world, wine would be 100% windows compatible, application wouldn't notice the difference, and one could install updates using wine without any problems.

The fact remains, these are compatibility, not long term solutions. The idea is to allow migration, but eventually have those very applications will become native. Like I said, sure, run them in the compatibility layer, but don't expect support. If you're going to do that, minus the legality issues, you might as well run a pirated version for all its worth.

There is nothing wrong with *NIX, my flat mate as Linux loaded on his workstation to run Matlab and Maple (he hates Windows), but he also has a new SR MacBook. Its the right tool for the right job, and right now, *NIX isn't up to speed when it comes to providing a good user desktop experience - if it were, there would already millions of ordinary users running it.

 

[lost eden]

Then those applications will never be properly supported under such an environment as Wine. If there was a perfect world, wine would be 100% windows compatible, application wouldn't notice the difference, and one could install updates using wine without any problems.

The fact remains, these are compatibility, not long term solutions. The idea is to allow migration, but eventually have those very applications will become native. Like I said, sure, run them in the compatibility layer, but don't expect support. If you're going to do that, minus the legality issues, you might as well run a pirated version for all its worth.

I was agreeing with you up until that last one.

There is nothing wrong with *NIX, my flat mate as Linux loaded on his workstation to run Matlab and Maple (he hates Windows), but he also has a new SR MacBook. Its the right tool for the right job, and right now, *NIX isn't up to speed when it comes to providing a good user desktop experience - if it were, there would already millions of ordinary users running it.

1.) There already are millions of ordinary users running it.
2.) The reason there are not more ordinary users running it is NOT because of a lack of good user desktop experience.

 

[kaiwai]

I was agreeing with you up until that last one.


1.) There already are millions of ordinary users running it.
2.) The reason there are not more ordinary users running it is NOT because of a lack of good user desktop experience.

Who? who is running it? Geeks? they're not ordinary people - I'm not an ordinary person when you compare what I do.

I never said because of a lack of a good user experience; the user interface is more than mature enough to handle the end users requirements; what is missing is a the HUGE cadre of software vendors and hardware vendors which Windows has.

It isn't any fault of Linux, but and the end of the day, whose fault it is, the end user doesn't matter. If he or she can't run the software they want, they find that their hardware isn't properly supported - its not going to matter what the excuses are, the end user isn't going to be happy to run the given OS you're trying to promote.

 

[lost eden]

Who? who is running it? Geeks? they're not ordinary people.

I'm beginning to lose interest in you, this is just pathetic.

I never said because of a lack of a good user experience;

You have a remarkably short memory;

*NIX isn't up to speed when it comes to providing a good user desktop experience

what is missing is a the HUGE cadre of software vendors and hardware vendors which Windows has.

This statement is as much true of Mac OS X as it is of Linux when the comparison is made to Windows, so I'll disregard that one as well.

It isn't any fault of Linux, but and the end of the day, whose fault it is, the end user doesn't matter. If he or she can't run the software they want, they find that their hardware isn't properly supported - its not going to matter what the excuses are, the end user isn't going to be happy to run the given OS you're trying to promote.

Now this is one field that Apple seems to have down to a tee with it's droves of blind followers, who are happy to ignore glaring hardware & software defects & failings of services seemingly 'beacuse it's Apple'. Just the other day I was reading a thread where the OP reported he had just bought his first Mac, in particular a MacBook, which he found to be broken so he took it back to get it replaced with another, which was also broken, so he took that back & is now waiting for a MacBook Pro. What surprised me is that he then went on to remark 'I know that Apple are some of the best computers in the world' despite the fact that both Apple machines that he owned were DOA!

 

[Consultant]

Who? who is running it? Geeks? they're not ordinary people - I'm not an ordinary person when you compare what I do.

You do know Mac OS X is certified UNIX? That's where the millions of people comes from.

 

[heatmiser]

You do know Mac OS X is certified UNIX? That's where the millions of people comes from.

Good point. OS X is just Unix with a better shell, clever marketing, and specialized hardware support. The trick was to make things simple, attractive, and compliant with a pre-approved set of hardware. Ubuntu is a great idea and a similar approach, but the road is much steeper since they hope to be compatible with everything under the sun. Inevitably, trying to please everyone usually results in so-so products for everyone.