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I still have nightmares about Win95 and plug 'n' play.

Ugh, don't remind me! I remember on one of my systems, a 95 reinstall involved removing all the PnP cards, reinstalling Windows, then putting them back in. If they were already there when you installed Windows then it didn't detect the "plug" so they wouldn't "play" :eek:
 
Why all the Windows hating? A good many 'switchers' were probably driven into the open arms of OS X through experiencing many frustrations with Windows. There will, of course, always be users of any product or service who never seem to experience any problems, but for those of us who tired of Windows thank goodness there's a viable alternative for desktop computing.

Windows? Hate it :p
 
In my experience the people who complain the loudest about Windows are the people who know the least about it. People need to realise that 99.9% of all Windows crashes are caused by 3rd party drivers and not Windows itself. If you installed an application on OS X and it constantly crashed you would just install it rather than spending all your time on Internet Forums spouting rubbish about OS X crashing all the time.

... allow for apps that are initiated to load, emblazen a splash screen that doesnt allow me to 1) See the workspace I'm using 2) get rid of or HIDE so that I can continue manipulating/resizing/double-left clicking on an item/window/object in the background ...
Yes, because Microsoft has total control over all 3rd party developers :rolleyes:

Sean :)
 
I'm a Linux user. I prefer it over both OS X and Windows (and yes, I've used them both extensively).

Would you care to elaborate on that point?. I have been a Debian user myself
for a few years, switched to OS X and never looked back. The _only_ thing I
miss from Debian is the apt-get subsystem. So I am very interested in knowing
why after using OS X "extensively", you still prefer GNU/Linux?
 
In my experience the people who complain the loudest about Windows are the people who know the least about it. People need to realise that 99.9% of all Windows crashes are caused by 3rd party drivers and not Windows itself.

Still, my Macintosh has never crashed because of this. I've had two kernel panics, none since OS 10.4.7 was released. In OS X, every application is run in isolation from other apps in the kernel. This means, if one application crashes, the rest of the OS and all the other Apps are still usable, unlike in Windows. I used to have Firefox crashing on my in Windows, which would bring the whole OS down with it. The only thing I could do is a manual restart (pull the plug out). In OS X, Firefox and even Safari have crashed on me a few times, yet the rest of the OS still stays up and running fine as though sweet FA has happened.

If you installed an application on OS X and it constantly crashed you would just install it rather than spending all your time on Internet Forums spouting rubbish about OS X crashing all the time.

An application crashing is mostly due to the application itself. The difference is, when an App crashes in OS X, everything else still works fine. When an EXE crashes in Windows, the whole computer becomes unusable. Don't expect this to change in Vista either, because it won't...



I have used Windows, OS X at length, and Linux every now and then. As most Windows users who you often find bashing Macs haven't used OS X for more than a few hours at once, or maybe never even really used OS X, I just take what they say with a pinch of salt. I know what I'm doing with Windows, which Antivirus software to get and which anti-adware/spyware software to get. I know I have to defrag every day (I did on my Dell anyway) and what not to download. I still hate Windows, despite using it for years. The problem is, 99% of the Windows using population doesn't know what Defragging is. In fact, I would have said that 90% of the people in my family/people I know who complain about their Windows computers running slow respond with "De-whatting?" when I tell them they should defrag.

One of my friends, who is a big time Mac hater got to use a Mac for a couple of hours a few days ago. He hadn't really used one before, and yet he was still always bashing them, saying how Windows was fine for what most people want. He ended up hating OS X even more after using it for a while, for the following reasons:

1. He didn't like the hockey puck mouse.
2. He was used to seeing the spotlight search icon in the top right of my MacBook Pro screen. The workshop where he was using this Mac were still running on OS X 10.1, so they didn't have spotlight.
3. When he clicked the cross in the top left of the Window, it didn't quit the software. I had to explain that this wasn't a reason to hate OS X. It's like saying "I hate Italy because they don't speak English, which I'm used to."
4. He said it was too difficult to remember all the keyboard shortcuts. "Use a mouse like everyone else then".
5. He said the design of Macs were too similar. He said the difference in design between the G5 iMac and the Intel iMac was lazy of Apple. I mean, we all know how great PCs look in comparison...


Mac bashers are by-enlarge VERY narrow minded, and haven't used all the different platforms at length.
 
people say if you set Windows up well, its a nice OS to use. That's true, i've seen it many a time. My school runs on Windows, and its pretty solid, but thats because the person who maintains them stays at the school until 2 in the mornings to get them working nicely.

With a Mac, it doesn't take long at all to get them set up and working nicely. In fact, i reckon if i got given a brand new mac and i couldn't install any software on it at all (except for software updates), i could record an album, make a film clip, make a documentary about the band, make a website, even put it on a DVD with an interactive and attractive menu. All of that using only software that came with the machine. obviously i would need cables and instruments etc, but some macs even have the camera for me to use!

another part of why Macs are great is because of the tight integration between software and hardware. I once watched a guy building a computer for a mate. They had a nice nVidia GPU in it, but when the computer started up for the first time, the OS didn't recognise the GPU, so it made the CPU act as a graphics card. They had to install drivers, reset, install something else, reset again... I did push for him to get a Mac, and if he had have, the setting up process would have taken a fraction of the time. But, alas, his family chose Windows, and now they have a virus in their system which is causing havoc.
 
I mean all this time I've been trying to figure out what type of Macbook Pro I should be getting (15" 2.16ghz or 2.33ghz) -- but with that $500 price difference I could buy a whole 'nother PC. Apple is ripping me off here.

Why? Why must people always start a 'Ohhh, why do you hate windows thread?' and then bring it back to the fact that a Mac is 'x' number of $ more expensive than a PeeCee. No one here cares NewSc2 if you can't afford or don't think its worth the extra. People here just don't give a crap. As far as I care, I'd be willing to pay an extra $1000 to get this:

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Over this:

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Ohhhh, pretty LEDs! **** pretty LEDs. It's foul.

However, to answer your original question you get the windows 'hating' as you put it because, low and behold (Came as a shock to me, you might want to sit down) your...wait for it... On a Mac forum! :eek: Surprised? I know I was. However, you will get a lot more Windows hating threads here Ironic? I'd say!

So to summarize.

1) Unless its constructive (We're all a pretty intellectual bunch, we can handle it) no one cares.
2) It has already been discussed/argued/flamed over these forums a million times.
3) Windows, really, honestly... Is *****! *Points everyone in the direction of the 'Setup a Small home or office network' wizard* My work here is done...
 
Love your answer markleshark. I got a chuckle out of it. ;)

In about 3 weeks I will finally have my imac! So then I will be able to compare both windows and os x. I can tell you one thing. I am so friggin' tired of windows. I put linux into my computer to try it out. I didn't have a live distro so I downloaded it. What a mistake!!!

That is how desperate I had become to get rid of windows! :eek:
Just counting down the days now. November 19th is the BIG day. Luckily I have the day off but hubby won't be happy. :D :rolleyes:

Hopefully he will sit down with me so that we can learn it together.
 
The difference is, when an App crashes in OS X, everything else still works fine. When an EXE crashes in Windows, the whole computer becomes unusable.
Back in the Windows 98 days I would have agreed with you, but I have never experienced this since I installed XP on the day it was released.

Sean :)
 
Back in the Windows 98 days I would have agreed with you, but I have never experienced this since I installed XP on the day it was released.

Sean :)

Well, that wasn't my experience. I suppose that's another thing I really hate about Windows, is how much it can vary between computers. No matter what, even when it was new, my Dell refuses to record MIDI in time in Cubase. However, all other PCs I've used can still do it. I've tried a complete system format, changing hardware etc... on the Dell, and it still refuses to do it correctly. Nobody else can explain it either. The number of people I hear about who cannot get Office/Firefox/iTunes/any other common piece of software to work on their Windows computer for no apparent reason is just ridiculous. I suppose that's a bi-product of the registry...
 
In my experience the people who complain the loudest about Windows are the people who know the least about it. People need to realise that 99.9% of all Windows crashes are caused by 3rd party drivers and not Windows itself. If you installed an application on OS X and it constantly crashed you would just install it rather than spending all your time on Internet Forums spouting rubbish about OS X crashing all the time.

Yes, because Microsoft has total control over all 3rd party developers :rolleyes:

Sean :)

QFT. The answers here illustrate the first sentence well.
But then again, 'who cares on a Mac forum' is also somewhat true, unless there's a functional comparison directly being made.
 
I spent years on Windows machines (95-2004) then I got a PowerBook. Didn't look back. Got a C2D iMac, installed Windows and remembered why I left. I dare not go properly online with it (got a virus on the first day, AVG missed it) using it only for Half Life 2 and the other games.

Rubbish OS. Quick GUI, but all round rubbish. I ran Windows Update and now it no longer automatically logs me in. Why would ANY OS developer chose to do that? Where the **** are the options to change that back? I've looked high and low. Heres to OSX. Cheers OSX.
 
In my experience the people who complain the loudest about Windows are the people who know the least about it. People need to realise that 99.9% of all Windows crashes are caused by 3rd party drivers and not Windows itself.<snip> Yes, because Microsoft has total control over all 3rd party developers :rolleyes:
There is generally less need for 3rd party drivers on a Mac, which is one of the advantages of a Mac over most PCs. Notice that I say less need, not no need.
 
... got a virus on the first day ...
So what porn or warez site were you on at the time ;) :D

I ran Windows Update and now it no longer automatically logs me in.
This happens when you install the .net runtime, as it creates an account for ASP.net to run under. Just login and go to Control Panel > User Accounts and delete the ASP.NET one (if you don't know why this account was created it's safe to say you don't need it)

Sean :)
 
I don't hate Windows... I just like OS X :)

Agreed. I've been running a series of home-made gaming PCs since 2002 and, while they've allowed me to do what I wanted to do, I've had numerous hardware failures and complete Windows reinstalls to cope with as payment. Since I bought my Macbook in April the ONLY reason I use my PC is to play Counterstrike: Source and to store anime.

The Macbook is my little Mazda RX-7, the PC is my Dodge Ram. Sure, the Ram works for what I need it for, but I'd much rather be using the quicker, sexier vehicle.
 
Non-intuitive OS, ugly interface, crashes for no reason, always requires support (custom box or main stream box), doesn't have nice features I use in OS X, doesn't let me do my stuff without trying to help, constant updating from MS to band-aid their OS.
 
Worst. Thread. Ever...

Anyone who defends Windows either knows nothing about Windows, or knows nothing about OS X. End of story.
 
Would you care to elaborate on that point?. I have been a Debian user myself
for a few years, switched to OS X and never looked back. The _only_ thing I
miss from Debian is the apt-get subsystem. So I am very interested in knowing
why after using OS X "extensively", you still prefer GNU/Linux?

I just prefer it. I like getting down and dirty configuring things. It's just my way. There's nothing wrong with the Mac approach, but it's just not me.

And yes, apt-get is amazing. ^_^
 
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