Wow and here I am knowing a lot about both and using both regularly. I'm so confused
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Why all the Windows hating?
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Sean
Wow and here I am knowing a lot about both and using both regularly. I'm so confused
Sean
I just don't see how anyone can defend an operating system that you have to work to stay security and free from malware. It doesn't make sense, yet so many PC users simply accept it as part of computing when it doesn't have to be.
How is installing AntiVirus and AntiSpyware software work? Install the software, let it auto-update and run in the background. All of my computers sit behind a hardware firewall and I have never had any viruses, spyware or other security problems with Windows.
I love my Mac Pro and I think OS X is a great Operating System - I just hate people bashing Windows for no good reason.
Sean
How long have you been using Windows?
Hm. No viruses, spyware, or anything... ever... Sounds interesting. I had this argument with another user on MR, but I'd be willing to bet that there are bits of software running on your computer that you are unaware of which are classified as some form of malware. No doubt in my mind, unless you are taking extreme precautionary measures, monitoring scripts and logs outside those that are built into Windows, and scanning on a weekly basis with a multitude of anti-malware software. If you are not doing all of the above (and more doesn't hurt, but we'll keep it simple), then you have something on your system that you don't want. If you ARE doing these things... um, yes, I'd call that work.
BTW, I bash Windows for very good reasons. I've been doing PC repair and security for years, and I make good money doing so because of how secure Windows isn't.
well. you obviously came here without very articulated ideas.
the truth is windows works. but it isnt a great product. has problems inherent in its old programming core. DOS and all the other windows programming which havent been updated in years. in some cases windows is held back due to code over 20 years old.
it isnt like i wont run it as needed. just have problems with conflicts, software installed that wont let itself be uninstalled. virus and spyware.
hey, i have a pc, but i also have a macbook pro. i do know what im talking about. Mac OS X is great, XP is merely ok.
the truth is windows works. but it isnt a great product. has problems inherent in its old programming core. DOS and all the other windows programming which havent been updated in years. in some cases windows is held back due to code over 20 years old.
it isnt like i wont run it as needed. just have problems with conflicts, software installed that wont let itself be uninstalled. virus and spyware.
hey, i have a pc, but i also have a macbook pro. i do know what im talking about. Mac OS X is great, XP is merely ok.
10+ Years
If you class tracking cookies as Malware, then yes. However, if you are classing these as malware then you must also be saying OS X is susceptible to malware.
Sean
I would not include tracking cookies if you prefer I didn't, but I have seen Windows systems brought to a near-crippled state by nothing more than a few tracking cookies alone. Never seen it happen to a Mac.
I'm thinking more along the lines of BHO's, bad services and registry entries, malware living in System Restore, damaged winsock stacks that have gone unrepaired due to previous malware attacks, the plethora of installed items from our good buddy ActiveX
, etc. We both know there are thousands of things that can live in a Windows installation with symptoms unnoticable to the user. Things you'd only find if you know exactly where to look.I know my Mac is clean.
In my experience the people who complain the loudest about Windows are the people who know the least about it. People need to realise that 99.9% of all Windows crashes are caused by 3rd party drivers and not Windows itself. If you installed an application on OS X and it constantly crashed you would just install it rather than spending all your time on Internet Forums spouting rubbish about OS X crashing all the time.
Sean
That was pretty much my point. I've been doing tech support for designers for 15 years, many of whom having been using computers for as long and some longer and yet still they don't know anything about them, because they use Macs, because they don't have to.
This isn't to say that Macs don't have problems, but the bulk of the support I need to dish out is to do with stuff like setting up networks, configuring Mail, upgrading the HD or RAM etc. Most of it is so basic it's terrifying (the instructions "drag Skype into the Applications folder" are apparently not detailed enough). After years of using the OS, every day, they still just use it, they work using it and have never had to know anything more about it than how to turn it on and double-click an Illustrator file.
In the pre-X days you occasionally had to say "reboot", or mess about with extensions, these days almost never.
They don't love their Macs, for the most part they don't even think about them.
The people I support who use Windows on the other hand (who, equally, know very little about it, and don't want to) live in fear of their computers and are constantly frustrated by them. They think about them every time they use them and not nice thoughts either, but they have work to do and so they learn to live with it as though this is something inevitable about computing. That's sad because I know it doesn't have to be that way.
That is why I hate Windows. There is enough sadness and anxiety in life without adding this burden to people's daily lives.
6 years with Windows and now these insane monthly updates and glitches have gotten me off the edge after seeing Mac OS X's good record.
What I don't like about Windows is the same thing doesn't always happen. Like when I installed bootcamp, it didn't have the EyeTV drivers, so it downloaded them and everything was fine. 2nd instal, i do the same and BAM! it can't pick them up this time. One time it recognised my XP serial number, another time it wouldn't upgrade because it was already in use. 30 minutes later on a format and it magically started to work.
I can understand bugs and problems, but please make them work the same every time so I know how to get around them.
I can understand bugs and problems, but please make them work the same every time so I know how to get around them.
I bought a PC 3 months ago for a short term project, I turned the sucker on connected to internet and ran the auto-update - 36 critical updates found !!!
it was more then 4 hours of updating and restarting before I could even install my apps > then update those, - took me total three days to get up and running on my project.
Then I get the spontaneous crashes, driver glitches etc.
I am glad the project is over and I am not forced to work on a PC, the machine I upgraded with 2 gb RAM and ATI X1900 card and it makes a nice weekend gaming machine but I do not allow it on the internet.
I love my macs and OS X
it was more then 4 hours of updating and restarting before I could even install my apps > then update those, - took me total three days to get up and running on my project.
Then I get the spontaneous crashes, driver glitches etc.
I am glad the project is over and I am not forced to work on a PC, the machine I upgraded with 2 gb RAM and ATI X1900 card and it makes a nice weekend gaming machine but I do not allow it on the internet.
I love my macs and OS X
I am glad the project is over and I am not forced to work on a PC, the machine I upgraded with 2 gb RAM and ATI X1900 card and it makes a nice weekend gaming machine but I do not allow it on the internet.
It's just a shame that quite a few modern games wont let you play without a BB internet connection and some ***** software called Steam that uses more system resources than a Java 3rd coming of christ...
I love how DOS and Windows 3.1 for Workgroups (both of which I use every week at work) are more stable than any of the more "advanced" versions I use. 98SE must log one major error requiring a hard reset per hour of production, and a co-worker's 2000 takes at least 15 minutes to boot up and launch three little apps in the morning. The newest XP Pro boxes crap out at least once a week and often hibernate for about 45 seconds too long when being woken up from sleep.
I'd rather run DOS than Windows, and that's no ****.
I'd rather run DOS than Windows, and that's no ****.
What Mac were you using? All the current Macs have enough power to burn through those types of apps.
But so far in my Computer usage XP doesn't offer ME anything my Mac doesn't, and my Mac does it better. If I want something like Windows, i'll go find a Lniux distro similar to XP, but Linux will still have less virus, and be free. I can't understand why anyone would use XP(atleast someone who has the option of not using it)
Allow he sounds a bit like a proud parent of a homebuilt computer, he has some points. A minimally-configured computer will run Windows faster than it will run Mac OS X. It might not run too well but that depends on the equipment.
As pseudobrit asserted, it wouldn't be wise for MS Office to run better on someone else's operating system than on their own, although that was the case from the start, until they started using undocumented APIs.
Still, in my experience, Firefox on Windows didn't run better than the Mac OS X variety. Faster is subjective--I still see people claiming that Safari is faster than Firefox but not for me.
All the pointless posts that are anti-Windows clogging up MacRumors.
Seems they outnumber the "Windows is great" posts by about 10-20k to 1 making us look anti-Windows.
Maybe we need a poll about it...
Edit: Maybe we shouldn't have named the Windows section of the forum, Wasteland.
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check this out....
http://www.vision.net.au/~apaterson/computer/mac_advantages.htm#10.
and it's on the internet, so it MUST be true....
check this out....
http://www.vision.net.au/~apaterson/computer/mac_advantages.htm#10.
and it's on the internet, so it MUST be true....
My first computer was Compaq Presario (one of those desktop PC with small monitor attached), which got me started on typing, emailing, surfing, doing reports and etc. It was Windows 3.1 Fast forward to 2001; I was sucked into Mac mystique at that time as I was not too familiar with it. After a visit at the Apple Store during my business trip in 2001, I had to buy a Ti PB with the first OS X (at that time, OS 9 came with the OEM restore CD) because of the elegance of the whole machine.
I am more comfortable with Mac now than Windows even though I use XP and XP Tablet edition daily. Windows is an okay OS; but, there are some "clumsy" Windows things such as screen flicker when I double click on My Document holder to open on the desktop. In my opinion, Windows OS does not seem like a classy OS. On the contrary, Mac's OS X has some un-Windows-esque elegance. No screen flicker. Not-over-the-board eye candy effects. Unix based stable OS. Just to mention a few.....
I take my iBook to my work every day (becaue iBook is cheap) and I have not seen a single person at my company who is using Mac. Some of IS staff do not like me because I am using Mac (I never mention about pro and con about computer issues with IS people; I would rather be a closet Mac user).
As far as I am concerned, if I am going to buy next Windows PC, I won't buy regular desktop nor notebook. Only Windows model I would consider buying is the tablet PC (because Apple does not make one). If Apple makes it, I am not interested in buying Windows PC with my own money.
Fast forward to 2001; I was sucked into Mac mystique at that time as I was not too familiar with it. After a visit at the Apple Store during my business trip in 2001, I had to buy a Ti PB with the first OS X (at that time, OS 9 came with the OEM restore CD) because of the elegance of the whole machine. I am more comfortable with Mac now than Windows even though I use XP and XP Tablet edition daily. Windows is an okay OS; but, there are some "clumsy" Windows things such as screen flicker when I double click on My Document holder to open on the desktop. In my opinion, Windows OS does not seem like a classy OS. On the contrary, Mac's OS X has some un-Windows-esque elegance. No screen flicker. Not-over-the-board eye candy effects. Unix based stable OS. Just to mention a few.....
I take my iBook to my work every day (becaue iBook is cheap) and I have not seen a single person at my company who is using Mac. Some of IS staff do not like me because I am using Mac (I never mention about pro and con about computer issues with IS people; I would rather be a closet Mac user).
As far as I am concerned, if I am going to buy next Windows PC, I won't buy regular desktop nor notebook. Only Windows model I would consider buying is the tablet PC (because Apple does not make one). If Apple makes it, I am not interested in buying Windows PC with my own money.
takes about as long as installing Mac updates too
And your antivirus, anti spyware, and anti adware updates?
I detect a certain amount of inconsistency in your thread. You suggest disliking the Windows bashing, but then start a new thread which is certainly going to produce more of the same type of sentiment. Or, did you think you would enlightening everyone, make them change their opinion?
I have not been on this site for very long, at least as a contributor. I started reading here in June 2004, that too a very short time. I have always been impressed with the intellect, and knowledge, of the core membership. These folks have it pretty well figured out. It is my observation that most of the bashing is started by the MS-Dell faithful, mostly newbies, who come on here with a serious attitude, and start a thread like "Why Does Apple Suck". I am actually surprised by how much patience members show, trying to give the poster the benefit of the doubt so to speak.
I do not hate windows. I love Macs. I have a strong dislike for the company Microsoft has evolved into. I like doing business with Apple.