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Why aluminum isn't the cause of the bending reports - Interesting read

If the iPhone 6 is prone to bending then it really doesn't matter if the cause is the chassis layout, the material used, or the fact that it's assembled on the site of an old Indian burial ground: Apple need to make it less bendy.
 
christyd20 said:
As I said, I haven't put excessive force... I love the plus, have no reason to try and bash it! I love apple so not trying to bash them, if you don't accept what I'm saying, then I don't give two ****s, trying to tell people who are clearly interested in this issue about my experience today, if nobody cares, then I'll not bother
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I care, I'm just trying to find out what kind of force makes it bend. At first you say "never put any force on it at all". That makes it sound like magic bent it. Now it's " I haven't put excessive force on it". Words matter. I'm very interested in this but you have to be factual. Don't mean to bust your balls or anything as I'm very interested in what is causing it. Are your jeans pockets tight? When I put mine in the front pocket and am sitting or driving, the phone has room to move and does not have pressure on it. Same with you? Maybe a tight pocket when sitting will put enough pressure to bend it. Heck, I don't know. I know that it probably wont bend on its own, so something has to be putting pressure on it to bend it. The truth is out there!

And I am sorry to that your is bent. I'm sure Apple will fix you up with all the attention this is getting.
 
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The only force this phone has been under, my 5 was under until last Friday, I have loose jeans, plenty of room for it to move, the only time it's in my pocket while I'm sitting is driving, it's only a slight bend/curve from the volume buttons up, and that's with me being EXTRA careful with it. I thought the bending thing was nonsense, obviously I'm not at all happy now.
 
christyd20 said:
The only force this phone has been under, my 5 was under until last Friday, I have loose jeans, plenty of room for it to move, the only time it's in my pocket while I'm sitting is driving, it's only a slight bend/curve from the volume buttons up, and that's with me being EXTRA careful with it. I thought the bending thing was nonsense, obviously I'm not at all happy now.
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Good thing is they will replace it. Get over to an Apple store lickidy split.
 
christyd20 said:
As I said, I haven't put excessive force... I love the plus, have no reason to try and bash it! I love apple so not trying to bash them, if you don't accept what I'm saying, then I don't give two ****s, trying to tell people who are clearly interested in this issue about my experience today, if nobody cares, then I'll not bother
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Please post pics. I have a 6+ on order and am seriously considering changing to a 6 due to this issue.
 
christyd20 said:
I've been getting it in the neck from anyone and everyone about the bending plus, I've been saying it must be the users fault.. I can see my plus starting to bend today, and I have been carrying it around like an egg, taking it out of my pocket every time I sit, never putting any force on it at all, really devastated to see the thing starting to curve
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Are you serious? I too have been of the opinion that people are just not being careful, but if you really have been being careful and it's bending, that's just disappointing. Can you post a pic please?
 
christyd20 said:
The only force this phone has been under, my 5 was under until last Friday, I have loose jeans, plenty of room for it to move, the only time it's in my pocket while I'm sitting is driving, it's only a slight bend/curve from the volume buttons up, and that's with me being EXTRA careful with it. I thought the bending thing was nonsense, obviously I'm not at all happy now.
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Exchange it at the Apple Store pronto. Let us know how it goes.

Also, did you have a case?
 
christyd20 said:
The only force this phone has been under, my 5 was under until last Friday, I have loose jeans, plenty of room for it to move, the only time it's in my pocket while I'm sitting is driving, it's only a slight bend/curve from the volume buttons up, and that's with me being EXTRA careful with it. I thought the bending thing was nonsense, obviously I'm not at all happy now.
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I'm sorry if this sounds mean but I'm fed up of claims regarding bent iPhones without proof. Please post a picture of your phone if you don't mind to verify your claims.
 
christyd20 said:
The only force this phone has been under, my 5 was under until last Friday, I have loose jeans, plenty of room for it to move, the only time it's in my pocket while I'm sitting is driving, it's only a slight bend/curve from the volume buttons up, and that's with me being EXTRA careful with it. I thought the bending thing was nonsense, obviously I'm not at all happy now.
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Is it possible the phone has enough room in your front pocket to move diagonally? That would place the phone horizontally across your thigh; subjecting it to a much larger force from your jeans (especially since the horizontal phone position will tighten up some of the slack in loose fitting jeans).
 
If this reddit post is true, then why doesn't the regular iphone 6 bend? Doesn't it have the same internal geometry, materials and thinness at the volume buttons?
 
This entire "gate" is amusing..

Being a professional CAE/FEA engineer and watching the comments posted is excessively painful at times.

Look - what has been said regarding the geometry of the phone's design is correct. Making a larger/longer lever arm and not increasing its cross-section is a recipe for structural failure - any second year ME can tell you that. (And just FYI - Geometry in a design sense DOES mean the physical shape of the part - the geometrical properties of the CAD data.. Just to mess with your brain - in the Automotive industry we call CAD data MATH DATA.. because its a mathematical representation of the 3D points in space that define the vehicles components).

What isn't being addressed - or at least is not being addressed directly (or often) is the failure rate.

Products are designed to survive a certain failure rate.. typically to a six-sigma specification... what that means is that 99.99966% of the manufactured units will not have a failure.

So - lets look at this example. If apple sold 10M units, and 100 bent... that would be a 99.999% success rate. But we arent talking about 100 bent phones... its much less than that..

So - the next question from the pi$$ed off masses is "But NO phone should fail, they have to fix this right??!!"

Well - in that case, now you have to play the engineering trade-off game. You can have two of three things - but NOT all three. Cost, Quality or Speed. You can have the phone Fast and Cheap, but it will have poor quality. You can have it Perfect and Cheap and wait a long time (i.e. years not months for development).

I think Apple manages very well to balance their time to market, price and quality. The price is a premium due to the rapid development schedule, and high quality materials. If you wanted an unbreakable phone - it would likely be 1) thicker and / or 2 cost a LOT more (i.e. be made from titanium alloy or something).

If you really want to lose sleep tonight - think about the fact that your car was designed - typically based on a 4 sigma tolerance or less (99.38% yeild), by over 100 independent engineers and suppliers who all are beat up daily to cut cost and improve bottom line any way they can.
 
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Escher2112 said:
If apple sold 10M units, and 100 bent... that would be a 99.999% success rate. But we arent talking about 100 bent phones... its much less than that..
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I would guess that we're already talking about well in excess of 100 bent phones, at a time when the vast majority of owners are still treating them with kid gloves. What happens when the novelty wears off and users start to take their phones for granted?

My hunch is that Apple will be happy to get away with a 99% success rate over the course of a year.
 
mojolicious said:
I would guess that we're already talking about well in excess of 100 bent phones, at a time when the vast majority of owners are still treating them with kid gloves. What happens when the novelty wears off and users start to take their phones for granted?

My hunch is that Apple will be happy to get away with a 99% success rate over the course of a year.
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Agreed... its still pretty early...

...and I should revise my previous statement - I can't say they "More than adequately designed the phone", because we don't know what their failure criteria were.

My bad...
 
Not only are the videos of people bending them ridiculous it is completely different from any kind of force you'd have in your pocket. all the pressure they are putting with their thumbs on the back is in one spot which probably equals the force they are also pulling with. So until someone can get the phone to bend showing something equivalent to what would be experienced in ones pocket I'm not buying all this. For all we know they could have been slightly bent from the factory.
 
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