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Can't wait to see some dude at a coffee shop with his Macbook, iPod touch, iPhone, iPad and now an additional iPad mini all sprawled out pretending to be doing something. :rolleyes:

would you be recording it with your transformer while talking to your friends on your galaxy s3, and closing your kindle so you can pick up your asus netbook to leave in disgust?
 
Remote?

I'm sure I'm not the first one to say or think this, but is there any chance that all of these mockups and screens and parts are actually for the remote to the Apple TV set? Or is that nuts?
 
Finally, in addressing pricing on the rumored iPad mini Gruber suggests that Apple could approach the $199 pricing seen on the Kindle Fire and Nexus 7 by leveraging its massive supply chain and economies of scale to bring its own costs down to the neighborhood of $150 and still maintain profitability. But even pricing of $249 could be competitive depending on hardware features and factoring in the benefits of Apple's extensive iOS/iTunes/App Store ecosystem for customers.

Sometimes Gruber drinks so much Cupertino Kool-aid that he goes irrational. This is one of those.
Apple will have some scale discounts but they aren't building the same device. If all were building 7" tablets that might be a differentiator, but they aren't.


After building this argument that the iPad mini is much bigger (i.e., bigger screen , bigger case ) than the 7" tablets he then invents a hole in which Apple can buy much bigger components at cheaper prices. That's right the bigger LCD panel (40% bigger), bigger glass (more Gorilla glass) , coupled to the likely bigger battery ( to power such screen ) Sure the resolution is lower, 163 mini ppi vs. 216 ppi of the Nexus 7, but that would only compensate for making them more even. Not a 22% reduction in cost due to scale. I doubt Apple scale gets them 22-25% discounts lower than what Amazon/Google's builders are getting on contract. It is likely smaller than that.


It seems far more likely that Apple will charge a price like $299 (keeps with their standard _99 pricing for all iPads without cellular radios. ) and justify being higher priced than the 7" tablets for exactly the reasons outlined. "It is really an much bigger 8" tablet" so you should pay more. Bigger screen... pay more.. MBA 13 costs more than MBA 11. MBP 15 costs more than MBP 13". iPad costs more than iPod Touch. It isn't like they haven't structured this argument in part before.


If the component costs for the iPad mini are $210 then a $299 price point would give Apple 30% margins. Very much in line with what they get now. The $100 increments for 8 or 16GB Flash increase in the "better" iPad mini will only fatten they cash horde even more with even larger margins. Similarly if there are Cellular radio options versions. There is so much markup in those "add ons" that even $230 in component costs on the entry model (23%) would fatten Apple's coffers.

Remember also that Apple most likely will include more components than the Nexus 7 or Fire. Two cameras ( iPod Touch , iPhone, and iPad have two cameras )... .the mini is going to have none or just an extremely weak VGA front facing one? Probably not. Probably a better speaker than those two. Probably Bluetooth 4 ( Nexus 7 has but fire doesn't). Apple is likely going to machine tool the case out of aluminum... don't think Fire/Nexus are spending as much on case components.


My guess is that the iPad2 would either disappear when the mini appears or will disappear when iPad 2013 appears. In the latter, case there would be a period where iPad 2 and mini's overlapped in price. In short, selling "last year's iPad" was just a stop-gap measure until they get the "mini" version online to hit the lower price point with a device with lower costs because it is smaller, not because it is older.

iPad mini $299 $399 $499
iPad 2013 $499 $599 ......

fits Apple's historic pricing patterns.

A $299 price point would still be pretty aggressive. The Samsung Galaxy Tab 2 7.0 is $249 at amazon
http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Galaxy-Tab-7-Inch-Wi-Fi/dp/B007P4VOWC

They can use the "bigger" argument for the extra $50 in cost.


P.S. The $299 helps them save iPod Touch pricing too.

If they went to just two Touch price points.

$199 (16GB) $299 (32GB)

then the 32GB iPod Touch could more easily overlap with the $299 (16GB) iPad mini. The difference is storage; which Apple uses in iPad differentiation now. ($399 touch and $399 iPad 2)

Right now the $199 8GB Touch is crippled too much. Same price can get a Nexus 7. At least with 16GB it has a storage advantage to offset the screen size deficit.
 
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You can be sure the 7inch, if and when it comes out, will include retina. Apple ain't going to step backwards.:)

No chance of a retina. Besides it's not going backwards just because Apple chooses to use another resolution. There's going to be a lot of demand. About the only drawback for people on a budget, is there will probably be a $100 premium on the price.

The Nexus 7 selling for $199
The iPad 7 selling for $299

Most people will gladly pay the premium, it's what Apple has proven time after time. They can charge the highest prices and still sell them by the boat load. Steve Jobs greatest skill was as a brilliant salesman.
 
I didn't realize Gruber worked for Apple in Cupertino and was not bound to a NDA like the rest of the company.

Gruber is one of their unofficial leak sources when they want put some control on the spin in the rumor market. Whether he is overtly used by them or is very cautious to get multiple sources It certainly increases the likely that they will use him as he commonly labels almost every Apple competitor as bozos.

He is usually pretty careful to use data/rumors/etc that is already out there and then construct a narrative around that as opposed to "someone at Apple told me that this is the exact answer". This whole thing is dependent upon whether 7.85" is what Apple is using or not. The only thing he needs confirmation out of Apple sources is weather that is the targeted size or not. Or even a "is this way off track? yes or no"


If increasing the iPhone screen height (and leaving width constant) works for new iPhone larger diagonal screen, then doubling the size from 3.5" to 7" would likely work too with some relatively minor layout issues (button target sizes not being one of them if approximately size buttons work on the 7.85" screen.) . But it would either be 7" or 7.85".

The part I don't buy is that users will hold a 7.85 tablet substantially closer to their eyes then a 10" iPad.... unless the difference is between holding (because no light enough for extended periods) and not holding ( iPad propped on lap/desk/etc ).
 
First of all Jobs comment about a 7" tablet being too small to be usable was asinine to begin with considering he`s the man who produced the 3.5" iPhone/iPod touchscreen.

Second of all this article is assuming the aspect ration of a mini iPad will be 4:3 instead of 16:9 for no discernible reason at all.
 
I have no doubt that new ipad is the best tablet in the market. but present ipad is too big & heavy. I found that 7 inch or little big one seems to be perfect to hold on my hands for a long time (from my experience with amazon kindle fire) that's why I didn't buy ipad yet. if Apple will release ipad mini (whatever they call), I will consider to buy. most of all, price is matter. I think $249 is reasonable.
 
First of all Jobs comment about a 7" tablet being too small to be usable was asinine to begin with considering he`s the man who produced the 3.5" iPhone/iPod touchscreen.

Second of all this article is assuming the aspect ration of a mini iPad will be 4:3 instead of 16:9 for no discernible reason at all.

Steve always denied what he was making next. It's called having a competitive advantage. You never tell your compeditors what you're doing next.
 
Second of all this article is assuming the aspect ration of a mini iPad will be 4:3 instead of 16:9 for no discernible reason at all.

The underlying reason is to run unmodified iPad targeted apps on a smaller screen just shrunken in size. The rational is that the 100's of thousands of iPad apps will "just work" on the smaller iPad. It kind of ignores that the content will be smaller (e.g., text) but the what is being targeted is the apps.

If just apply the classic iPad DPI 132 and classic iPhone DPI 163 then get the 132/163 => 81% iPad screen 9.7 . 81% of 9.7 ==> 7.85" . So the inference is that Apple will just shrink iPad apps and present them on the screen running them 'as is" just smaller. Sort of how the MBA 11" screen is now... smaller fonts/text/icons because slightly cranked up pixel density increase.


If you change the aspect ratio the iPad apps won't fit on the screen. The iPhone apps really wouldn't fit either without tacking on big borders for the new expanded space (similar to the compatible mode the initial iPad ran iPhone apps in at first ). If just try to stretch the 16:9 content then will have adverse side effects.
 
It will replace the ipod touch.

I don't think a non-pocketable iPad, basically a large iPod touch, will replace the regular iPod touch. It's too far away in size and usage.

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It WON'T replace the iPod Touch. It doesn't fit in your pocket . . .

^^^

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I'll buy this just to use in my car - gps etc. - cd slot mount
the iphone is TOO small
and the current pad to huge.

You're right. It would be nice if car-makers could put a miniature iPad in the car with special software in place of the jukebox, GPS, clock, stats, and other stuff.
 
Steve Jobs would have not approved it.

What makes you think that?

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So where's my stylus? I wanna draw and write on my tablet, ****it. Not exist in some ethereal Zone of Self Defined Innovation where the finger is king, because by God we said so.

Can't you just buy a stylus, a.k.a. a stick, and use it with your drawing apps?
 
I think $249 is reasonable.

$249 is reasonable, but I'm expecting it'll be more around the $299-$350 range. It's still priced low enough to be appealing to people who want the cheaper option, but still high enough that Apple can maintain their profit margins.

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Can't you just buy a stylus, a.k.a. a stick, and use it with your drawing apps?

Yeah, and I probably will here soon. But pressure sensitivity is a nice thing to have, and I lament it's absence on the iPad.

As is, a quick light stroke across the screen will net you the same results as pressing down with the stylus and dragging it across slowly. With a digitizer, a light stroke will give me a thin, light line, pressing down a thicker, heavier one. It feels a lot more natural and realistic.
 
It WON'T replace the iPod Touch. It doesn't fit in your pocket . . .

It may not replace but it is likely to substantially cannibalize iPod Touch sales unless Apple substantially shifts the iPod Touch value proposition ( lower price or dramatically increase storage or substantially better cameras or ... )

And the whole "doesn't fit in the pocket" argument didn't work so well when it was commonly used against the iPad before it was introduced. "Nobody is going to buy an iPad... not portable enough... it doesn't fit in your pocket".

A less expensive iPad people will buy. When the Touch was the only option there going to be more buyers. When their are options, the number will drop.
 
If there's anybody who can make a cheap tablet in aluminium, it's Apple because they have so much experience and manufacturing investment done already.

I'm sure Asus is making some money out of Nexus 7. It's just that Google is not charging any profit on top. If Asus can make that for $200, I don't see why Apple cannot make a $250 tablet.

Moot, the original comment was Apple being able to make a 7" tablet for at or under $200.

For $250, sure . . . . maybe . . . we'll see. But for $200 or less? Not a chance.

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As for $150 hahahahahahahahahahaha yeeeaaahhhh rrriiiggghhhhtttt!

it won't. means it keeps costs down + higher profit margin, and gives them an easy feature to use for upgrading in the next 1-2 years.
 
$249 is reasonable, but I'm expecting it'll be more around the $299-$350 range. It's still priced low enough to be appealing to people who want the cheaper option, but still high enough that Apple can maintain their profit margins.



I'm hoping it's in the $350 range. What's most important is that Apple keeps making record profits. I'm confident that most here will agree. :D:D
 
I didn't realize Gruber worked for Apple in Cupertino and was not bound to a NDA like the rest of the company.

for the most part most journalists look to him to confirm things. 95% of the time he doesn't comment unless he's sure. sometimes he gives an opinion tho.
 
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