except he wasnt. is the ipad an iphone? not really. technically maybe. an ipad smaller than the one now isnt an ipad. maybe steve was making a point instead of trying to be right or wrong. the ipad is the right size, period. steve knew it and i know it.
Got a tip for us?
Let us know
Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
Why Apple's 7.85-Inch 'iPad Mini' Isn't a 7-Inch Tablet
- Thread starter MacRumors
- Start date
- Sort by reaction score
except he wasnt. is the ipad an iphone? not really. technically maybe. an ipad smaller than the one now isnt an ipad. maybe steve was making a point instead of trying to be right or wrong. the ipad is the right size, period. steve knew it and i know it.
...
as to the people saying you can't hold this in one hand, I can hold a full size iPad in one hand this should be no problem. Also yes the iPod touch starts at $199 but does that mean this couldn't be $199 as well? No it does not simply because the iPod touch hasn't been updated for 2 years meaning that they could drastically cut the cost on it due to the parts being far cheaper now. I am guessing they do $149 for the touch and $249 for this new iPad and $199 for a touch with a bigger screen (like the new iPhone) and upgraded internals
as to the people saying you can't hold this in one hand, I can hold a full size iPad in one hand this should be no problem. Also yes the iPod touch starts at $199 but does that mean this couldn't be $199 as well? No it does not simply because the iPod touch hasn't been updated for 2 years meaning that they could drastically cut the cost on it due to the parts being far cheaper now. I am guessing they do $149 for the touch and $249 for this new iPad and $199 for a touch with a bigger screen (like the new iPhone) and upgraded internals
That would be a pretty weak device. iBook as an app is good -for storing reading documents, PDFs, even books if they had a good selection which they dont. I find the Store to be pretty lame. Both Google and Amazon.com beat Apple on books! Why would it be cheaper?? The opposite is more likely.
The only reason why the amazing Steve Jobs did not realize that a "Mini" would the perfect size to be my constant companion:
Steve did not carry a purse everywhere like I do.
Any iPad takes up too much space and adds too much weight to any of my purses.
A Mini would give me more usable screen space when I'm out and about than my iPhone, and I wouldn't have to worry about my iPhone battery drain as much.
If I only carried a wallet, maybe I wouldn't 'get it' either.
the purpose and joy of using an ipad is the size of the screen. the product was never meant to be smaller or bigger. a car with two wheels is called a motorcycle, not a minicar. why you are comparing your need for a smaller device is a moot point. the ipad wasnt meant to be stuffed in your pocket or jammed in your purse.
Two iPod Touch products and an iPad mini? Very unlikely. Growing the Touch screen along with the iPhone screen ( if that is the direction Apple goes with the iPhone) likely means the Touch won't see a price decrease since the screen component cost is going to go up.
Part of this whole scaling the iPad logical metrics down ~20% is to offload the work required to augment apps. If Apple is going to a different "small screen" is would be better if both the Touch and iPhone both tracked to the same size. ( just like they did before). With limited screen supply seems more likely that Apple would bump the iPhone screen this year and the Touch would follow next.
There is really little pricing room to sell "last year's" Touch at even lower prices. That's somewhat the role the $199 model has already been in. Besides, they have already been selling "last year's" Touch for over a year now. If the want to "cripple" it they just leave the lowest end model with just 8GB of memory. If they wan the Touch to have better market traction they'll bump the minimal storage up to 16GB. 8GB is a tad small and even with most of these "sold at cost" 7" tablet options.
That or understand that Job was a marketing guy to his core. A lot of the stuff out of his mouth was marketing double speak and as such the stuff I flush down the toilet is worth more.
Just like jobs said Apple would never make a phone, Apple never would make a tablet ect. It was marketing speak or project not known to public so the crap that comes out my rear is worth more.
Uh, it could also be that it didn't make sense at the time. But time and technology do not stand still and things that did not appear to be viable options in 2010 may be viable in 2012. Holding anyone to a statement made years earlier is a little unrealistic.
I actually use the el cheap-o's I linked to on Amazon, and 5 out of 6 of them work surpisingly well (one is a dud for some reason). It's definitely a different feel and you definitely use a different kind of stroke, but you get used to it.
I, too, would love a serious digitizer on the iPad, but as-is it is great for sketching and notes.
+100
Jobs was so good at marketing saying "X is crap, you don't need that" which just meant "we don't sell that (yet)" - then later on announcing it as the answer to your prayers when they do sell it.
No one's saying that the larger iPad isn't useful or shouldn't be sold or was meant to go in pockets or purses.
They're saying that a smaller one THAT can do those things, is useful as well, no matter what Jobs claimed.
Too many people get caught up in the bogus idea that it has to be one OR the other, when it's really one AND the other.
EXACTLY!!! Too many people act like a 7 inch iPad is an indictment of their full size one or that no one else should need one because THEY don't like want one.
The market for a smaller iPad can be quite large based portability and price front. That doesn't mean there won't still be a strong market for a bigger more capable (both is size and technology) device.
I'm sure I'm not the first person to have thought this, but anyone else wonder if this is the remote for the new apple tv instead? Or perhaps the remote will simply be an iPad? Then again, perhaps there will be no remote at all and it will simply be voice recognition.
I don't see this being the case. An iPod is a portable media player. 7 inches isn't traditionally portable, unless you have giant pockets or are wearing a sports coat.
Actually we should really call it what it is, which is a 20cm tablet. That's why there's this weird 7.85 measurement anyway. All this stuff is designed exactly in metric, and then they just convert the numbers to not freak out the American market.
Another example of someone telling someone else what they want. There is a demand for the product, deal with it.
maybe
I would have to see what the product has to offer. If it is anything short of the new iPad I will skip out on this one for the time being until they refresh it. A smaller version of the new iPad would be great with similar specs I don't expect it to up to par with the current iPad but the Retina Screen would be nice
I would have to see what the product has to offer. If it is anything short of the new iPad I will skip out on this one for the time being until they refresh it. A smaller version of the new iPad would be great with similar specs I don't expect it to up to par with the current iPad but the Retina Screen would be nice
Please don't assume what answers I will and won't like. I like answers that answer my question, and according to the quote notification system, you were the first to answer it, so thanks. I had forgotten having read about Steve wanting to create the tablet initially.
Very much yikes! I've barely played with an Android tablet for longer than half an hour, and I'm not saying that Android is better by any stretch of the imagination, but I do think that iOS is better suited for smaller screens than iPads. Not to say the core of iOS couldn't used with a few more tweaks to make an even better OS for tablets!
Maybe, but at times it was just mere months. The whole netbook situation was only about 7-8 months before Apple released the 11" Air and charged more for it than any netbook on the market.
No matter how you slice it, Apple's mistakes were always saying that a certain market or product didn't make any sense, instead of; "we have some ideas." When Jobs mentioned how things made no sense, then had to backtrack every Apple zealot's heart skipped a beat, then they suddenly forgot what he said not too long ago.
It depends on your definition of portable. It seems that many change the definition to whatever they need to justify their claim. Portable should be anything that a person can take with them and/or a device that runs off of an independent power source that's easy to pack up and take with you.
We have a fly pack in our university, it's essentially all the guts of a TV studio minus the cameras. It's about 400 lb but all things considered it is mobile.
A 7" iPod Touch is still VERY portable compared to a 15" iPad, or a 18.4" Alienware laptop.
Not everyone wants a device with a 3" screen and only enough battery life for a few hours.
I actually think iOS is better suited for the iPad, and Android for mobile devices. iOS is just CRAMPED on that tiny screen'ed iPhone and iPod Touch. It's barely useable IMHO and I've been using it for years on and off.
They need to make the iPod Touch and iPhone screen larger, or do something about that sea of unending icons.
Android biggest benefit here is that I don't have to have ALL of my icons on my home screen . . . all the time. Apple needs to take a page from the Android/Palm/Windows Mobile book on that one.
Now, as far as tablets are concerned, iOS is a much better OS to run on a device with a screen that large. The Android tabs don't seem to utilize all that extra space well at all.
Last edited:
Pretty much any kind of coat has pockets, actually. And, living in the Seattle area, I wear a coat of some sort or another most of the year.
Plus I wear cargo pants most of the time.
So, yeah - a 7 or 8 inch tablet would qualify as "portable" for me. Just like millions of current Kindle users (including me) consider those devices "portable".