Why are apps so meh?

Discussion in 'Apple TV and Home Theater' started by Rogifan, Oct 31, 2015.

  1. Rogifan macrumors P6

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    Most of the content apps I've downloaded so far are just meh. HBO seems to have taken the effort to design something nice:

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    But the rest are boring piles of this:

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    Seriously NBC, that's the best you can do? And this is the Weather Channel app:

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    Again, that's the best they could come up with? I think Apple should be demanding more and not approving apps that look like no effort was put into them. First impressions are important. I'd rather developers take the time to give us some nice looking, feature rich apps. For example, it's currently raining where I am. Why not have the Weather Channel app show a big beautiful image of rain puddles/drops (or perhaps rain animation like the Yahoo and Apple weather apps do) along with a weather summary? Just white text on a plain black screen is so boring. And go with less text. Who wants to read a lot on a TV screen? No one.
     
  2. Wild-Bill macrumors 68030

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    It's the Apple way..... Release first, develop later. Seriously, how can Apple hold developers to a higher standard when they themselves release a product that won't work with its own Remote app??
     
  3. chrfr macrumors 603

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    It's not Apple's job to dictate how an application should look. It's still early in the development process for the Apple TV. There were (and still are) a lot of ugly apps for iPhone when the App Store was first made available for it.
     
  4. CaptTCS macrumors regular

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    Really.. Apple hasn't updated it's Remote Ap in some time. I don't think they ever thought it was very important.

    For me, I never really cared for the remote ap on the ATV3. This new device, though? I think the Ap could be a very useful second remote. Maybe THAT is why they haven't released an AP for the ATV4... Perhaps they want to just sell as many 2nd Siri Remotes as possible, at $70 each, before they offer us a free alternative.
     
  5. ajiuo macrumors 65816

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    The remote app needs to be redesigned so that it, in some way, mirrors what's on your TV... You shouldn't even need to look at the tv at all to brows content and control it.
     
  6. aristobrat macrumors G4

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    This. It seems like for each new Apple platform (iPhone, iPad, Apple Watch), apps go through a cycle where the first ones are usually pretty rudimentary, and then improve from there.

    I remember being amazed with the game Peggle (when the iPhone finally got native apps) because it stood out in a sea of "meh" apps. A year or two later, there were hundreds of games that were that cool. Now there are thousands of games like that.

    Give it some time. If you're really that impatient, that'd be a good reason not to be a first adopter. :)
     
  7. drunkmouth macrumors newbie

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    That NBC app is just the old TVML style. Give it time, they'll all update to proper tvOS apps soon enough.
     
  8. critter13 macrumors 6502

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    Devs had a very short runway(1 month), I have a feeling HBO got an early peek and was able to design something from scratch. Almost all the others are basically the same as the ATV2/3 apps. I think this will change over time. I am glad HBO did something unique so it will push others to follow suit. I think there is still a ton of potential with the ATV4 and it will be a much different device in 6 months.
     
  9. Rogifan thread starter macrumors P6

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    I wish more developers would have gotten more time with it. I know it's early days but first impression are important. If more apps looked like the HBO app I wouldn't be writing this post.
     
  10. BMox macrumors 6502

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    Could someone check the WWE & UFC apps and see if they've had any changes applied to them?
     
  11. Frankied22 macrumors 68000

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    Honestly, my hopes are not high for some sort of app revolution on the TV with the new Apple TV. Apps on TV's have been around for years now, especially with devices like the Roku and Android TV. Yet, no one has made any sort of TV app that has made these set top boxes a huge improvement. Maybe it's time we just accept the fact that people don't care about apps on the TV, apart from the ones that stream the media we want. I mean honestly, what would a revolutionary app on the TV even look like? Or do? The new QVC app is pretty cool I guess. It let's you watch QVC and buy products at the same time. But apps like periscope, airbnb, zillow, etc. on the TV? Who cares? Games can obviously make more of an impact but again, most games made for these set top boxes are incredibly casual and making them limited to using the remote as a controller is very limiting. For people who are really into gaming, they already use a console or a gaming PC they built.

    Who knows, maybe this device will spur developers to innovate with TV apps and make truly special apps, but again, I am not so hopeful after seeing the fate of other set top boxes. I think the new Apple TV is going to have a long and slow beginning. Like the Apple Watch, I think we are going to see an app store loaded with apps that people just won't care about. Right now there is a lot of functionality missing just within Apples own apps. How long will we have to wait for Apple to bring these functionalities? (shuffle playlists, up next queue, iCloud Photo Library support, an updated iOS Remote app, a better UI keyboard, a better home sharing UI, bluetooth keyboard support, better siri that returns your own media, 4K, a podcast app, and the list goes on)

    Right now the new Apple TV is not blowing me away. I have used all these set top boxes and it is definitely a "me too" product. I still think Google has the right answer when it comes to interacting with your TV, and that is getting rid of the TV UI's and just using a phone, tablet, or computer to control your content. I understand this is foreign to a lot of people but it is so much easier when you get used to it. After using a Chromecast for two years, I don't want a device under my TV with it's own logins, photos, music, etc. It makes much more sense to have all that on a phone or tablet, and then just throw whatever media you want to view up on the TV. It works great if you live with roommates because everyone can control with their devices and put whatever they want on. The idea is it is the TV is just an extension of your devices screen. Apple got halfway there with AirPlay but AirPlay has one main limitation and that is if you are AirPlaying a video and someone calls you, or you open a youtube video on your phone, the AirPlay cuts out. You don't get this with a Chromecast because the Chromecast takes the url passed to it and streams it. It frees your phone or tablet.

    A lot of people are put off by the Chromecast because it doesn't have a dedicated remote or UI, but that's the point. Let me ask you all this, look at how many people are in these forums complaining because there is no update to the iOS Remote app for the new Apple TV? Why is it so important to people to be able to navigate the Apple TV or input text with their phone's remote app? It's because using a phone or tablet as a remote and dealing with the UI on that device is way easier to do than use a standalone device connected to the TV with its own UI. That's what the Chromecast gets perfectly. We already have devices that allow easy text input and have great, easy to use UI's. They're called smartphones and tablets. Now, I will agree that sometimes it is better to have a physical remote for quick play/pause or fine tune seeking, but it takes two seconds to open the app you're casting from and hit the play/pause button or seek. Google made it even easier now with the new Chromecast app. From that one app you can play or pause anything you are casting. it even has universal search that will let you search for content from all the cast abled apps you have installed on your device.
     
  12. Gueeds macrumors regular

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    WWE is essentially the same app, can't speak about UFC
     
  13. Aluminum213 macrumors 68040

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    WWE Network is the same as on Apple TV 3
     
  14. BMox macrumors 6502

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    That's disappointing.

    Thanks to those who checked.
     
  15. Rogifan thread starter macrumors P6

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    Well isn't it kind of up to Apple to make apps not suck on the TV? Tim Cook and Eddy Cue say the future of TV is apps. Ok then prove it. Show me what that future looks like.
     
  16. aristobrat macrumors G4

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    Again, the first wave of apps on the iPhone and iPad sucked compared to what's out there now. I guess you weren't an early adopter back in 2007 to be around to post about that?

    I don't see the point of being one the first people to buy a new platform of anything if you're expecting to be impressed from day one.
     
  17. Carmenia83 macrumors 6502

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    tvOS apps are dead in the water until Apple adds a realistic and useable way to browse the App Store. If the app isn't "featured" the only way to browse is to search each letter of the alphabet. Are we serious with this?
     
  18. bluespark macrumors 65816

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    But Rogifan has a point -- in the early days of the iPhone, Apple worked with Google to make the maps app, essentially as a proof of concept as to some of the new ways the device could be used. Apple should be showing us (and developers) the way this time as well. Sometimes ideas need a starter.
     
  19. mostlycharlie macrumors newbie

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    It's been out for two days guys. It's got a great foundation, but it takes time to build good stuff.
     
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    Because Apples convinced the customer that Apple knows best. When you have the power and influence like Apple they can get away with whatever they want to. Look how so many members are impressed with Apples money. Defending just like it's theirs. Taking any comment they don't like and giving the poster a hard time. Apple fanatics can be very hostile. It's tradition. :D
     
  21. lsutigerfan1976, Oct 31, 2015
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    I really think that Apple does need to hold these developers to "some" sense of a higher standard. Same thing with iPhone apps. They don't just let half baked apps in the iPhone app stores. So why is it ok for them to do it with the Apple TV? Most of the apps created for the Apple TV can be down right laughable.

    Some of you will say just wait. But I expect more from Apple. It's why I buy so many Apple products. Cause they usually have a certain level of standards for their hardware and software/apps. Lately it seems they have been more lax. Again I know part of it is the developers of the apps. But it seems like they should have planned for a later release to give devs more time to create and publish apps. And to work out any other kinks along the way.
     
  22. Scarpad macrumors 68000

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    I agree and I'm beginning to see the light on chromecast I have the original and will pick up a two, there are enough streaming apps to cover everything I need , and I always have my phone or iPad around to use as a remote, I really feel this is the way to go
     
  23. aristobrat macrumors G4

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    Were you not around for the initial round of iPhone and iPad apps? IMO, there were a lot of them, with only a very small percentage of them being anything other than "meh" (to the op's point).

    When a truly awesome app came out, it seemed like the majority of owners found out about it pretty quickly (via of word-of-mouth from other owners) precisely because the majority of the app store was a sea of "meh".

    How the Apple Watch launched doesn't look much different.

    To each their own, and I'm definitely not saying that Apple couldn't have changed things to make the Apple TV launch better (in terms of initial app selection), but I'm honestly surprised that anyone who objectively looked at how things went immediately following the initial launch of previous products would have an expectation that the Apple TV launch would be any different than how it is.
     
  24. lsutigerfan1976 macrumors 68000

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    You are talking about when the iPhone and iPad first came out. They were new products. Apple TV isn't a new product. They have had plenty of time to get with developers to put out a more polished product. My other point is, that they released a product that was buggy. There was no shame in delaying the final product to make sure you have a more polished product to put out. And to allow more time for devs to do their thing also.
     
  25. rshev macrumors member

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    My first reaction when I got a developer kit was like "ok, it's a beta-beta product, but it will look much better on release in a month plus time". But nothing happened, they just released it as is. I invested in my app, which now even can't be seen in a category on App Store and sales are worse than worst expectations could be. Apple become something like a "beta" company with such amount of products they simply don't manage to get software done in time.
     

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