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But how bout the GPU's you can obviously run games faster on a dell than on a mac of the same price.

This really depends on what system you are comparing. In the comparison of desktops that i did the imac(the 2ghz model) would play games better then the same priced Dell. As the video card is not on board integrated video like the dells.
 
Why is it that a 1000 dollar imac has 512 ram and 64vram while dell sells the same thing for 400. This is what keeps a lot of people from switching. I have tried to get a lot of people to switch and their main concern isnt compability like most people think it is. Its usually that macs have these crappy specs for high prices. To make things worse they dont even let you upgrade things like graphics cards and processors. Im not trying to criticize Apple. I think they make great computers but they could be getting so much more switchers if they could make theyre system more upgradable and more powerful.

Then don't buy one. They are not budget computers and if they were, they wouldn not be very successful.

Do you write BMW and bitch about their pricing? Nope.
 
Then don't buy one. They are not budget computers and if they were, they wouldn not be very successful.

Do you write BMW and bitch about their pricing? Nope.

Crap analogy.

BMWs are german made cars made in Germany. Other cars are American/Chinese/Japanese made made in America/China/Japan.

BMWs produces like 400 brake HP. Other cars produces 200 brake HP if you are lucky.

BMWs handle way better than other cars. Other cars are... well... other cars.

Macs are made in china just as other PCs are, uses the same crap components (cue in the C2D grainy/uneven backlit LCD screens on the MBPs), and are for all intents are purposes, pretty much the same really.

They also come in limited configurations and forces you to get more than what you need at no benefit to you.

To try and make Apple out to be some luxury or premium thing is just silly, unlike everything else, Apple's quality largely is in its perception and not in the reality.
 
Crap analogy.

BMWs are german made cars made in Germany. Other cars are American/Chinese/Japanese made made in America/China/Japan.

BMWs produces like 400 brake HP. Other cars produces 200 brake HP if you are lucky.

BMWs handle way better than other cars. Other cars are... well... other cars.

Macs are made in china just as other PCs are, uses the same crap components (cue in the C2D grainy/uneven backlit LCD screens on the MBPs), and are for all intents are purposes, pretty much the same really.

They also come in limited configurations and forces you to get more than what you need at no benefit to you.

To try and make Apple out to be some luxury or premium thing is just silly, unlike everything else, Apple's quality largely is in its perception and not in the reality.

You actually think that? Really? I get what you're trying to say, but Macs are more than the sum of their parts.
 
This really depends on what system you are comparing. In the comparison of desktops that i did the imac(the 2ghz model) would play games better then the same priced Dell. As the video card is not on board integrated video like the dells.

Also it depends on what game.

As for the OP's question about why "new" Macs are so expensive: Apple from the beginning have sold their stuff for higher prices that other companies. A Mac is really geared towards people that want graphics work to be done on it etc. I have a Mac because I grew up on it. If you really want to play games, then a Mac really isn't for you. If by chance you have an Intel based Mac you can easily install Windows XP (or if you're adventurous Vista) and run Windows based games as if you were on a generic Dell or HP running Windows. With that said, that pretty much covers why [new] Macs are considerably more expensive than PCs.

I agree with the person here that said Macs are cheaper in the long run when it comes to maintenance. That's so true. I know what I'm doing on my Mac, so I never need to call :apple:. I have friends who have Macs, and they never call me for help. It's just that easy to use.
 
You can't update mac proccessors

I've upgraded lots of processors in lots of Macs. In fact, this company has spent the last 20 years focusing almost exclusively on this market.

Crap analogy.

BMWs are german made cars made in Germany. Other cars are American/Chinese/Japanese made made in America/China/Japan.

BMWs produces like 400 brake HP. Other cars produces 200 brake HP if you are lucky.

BMWs handle way better than other cars. Other cars are... well... other cars.

Macs are made in china just as other PCs are, uses the same crap components (cue in the C2D grainy/uneven backlit LCD screens on the MBPs), and are for all intents are purposes, pretty much the same really.

They also come in limited configurations and forces you to get more than what you need at no benefit to you.

To try and make Apple out to be some luxury or premium thing is just silly, unlike everything else, Apple's quality largely is in its perception and not in the reality.

I see the point you were trying to make, but majority of BMWs sold (lower end 3 and 5 series sedans) underperform their German, American, Japanese, and Swedish rivals in terms of horsepower and acceleration. In fact, one of the biggest complaint I hear about is, even though they handle so well, they're disappointingly slow, especially in their price range. While most brands are reaching towards 300 horsepower or more and ample servings of torque, the majority of 3 and 5 series BMWs sold have BMW's lousy 230 horsepower, 200 lb of torque V6 (and that was only a recent upgrade). They also have unbelievably bad reliability problems in areas that do not relate to their strong and smooth V6s, such as electrical systems.

So, really, if I were trying to make the point you are trying to make (which I disagree with), I would say Apple is exactly like BMW in every way. Well... except for the fact that unlike BMW, there isn't really a large number of competitors that far outperform Apple.

I guess you could call it a crap analogy.
 
Then don't buy one. They are not budget computers and if they were, they wouldn not be very successful.

Do you write BMW and bitch about their pricing? Nope.

Posts like these aren't helpful... The OP asked a question and people are trying to help them answer it. This post does absolutely nothing to solve the task at hand, and is actually very counter-productive, because now a couple of posts have been wasted on telling you that this was a poor post... [The Mac Mini isn't really worth what you get... I would stray from it]

So, to the OP, you've had a lot of good posts here discussing how Macs and PC's are actually close in value, when comparing similar spec'd machines. If all he wants to do is check email, then honestly, he may be just fine with the $400 PC... There's nothing really wrong with that. Apple isn't after that market, so they don't make a machine for you...

Your questions should all have been answered by the previous posts. It may take just showing yourd dad the cool things that Macs can do. My girlfriend bought a Mac just because she saw me working on one a lot and saw how much I liked it, not because I blurted specs at her...

Good luck to ya! Hope we've been of help [except for that guy I quoted...]
 
dpaanlka- Yeah that's a professional company, changing processors on a mac is harder than charing one on a PC. I'm not saying you can't.

Not all BMW's produce 400hp lol, not many do. Unless you fork out 100g's+
for a m3. In Australia, we have cars producing about 400hp+ and 550 torque that are like 50% cheaper.

Mac = Benz
PC = Nissan Skyline with hella lot of mods.
 
dpaanlka- Yeah that's a professional company, changing processors on a mac is harder than charing one on a PC. I'm not saying you can't.

Well obviously you didn't click the link. "Changing processors" for many many Mac models is no harder than buying a new processor board from that company, and putting it in yourself. I get that you're saying iMacs are not upgradeable, but all Macs are not the same. Lots of people are upgrading the Mac Pro and Mac Mini processors already. And tons of people upgrading older Power Macs, certain iMacs, and older PowerBooks.
 
I agree with you 100% on this one. THis is whats keeping me from buying my new iMac, the price. I agree the OS is far better on the Mac and Customer service is better and the harware is better but seriously, i could get an iMac and and HP for the same price but the HP would have double the specs of the iMac and the monitor size would be a 20 inch and not a 17 inch

Seriously the prices are too high. They need to come down. I dont expect Apple to match Dell and Hp's prices. No way, theres products suck. I just want Apple to lower their prices by maybe 200-300 bucks.

You agree that the Apple Mac is a better machine and the OS is better and the customer support is better but you are not willing to pay more for those features?

How do you think those things might be better in the first place?
 
leekohler- Yep i was referring to the iMac but it might get bumped up to 800mhz because of Santa Rosa.

dpaanlka So would i buy able to put a QX6700 into a Mac Pro?
Sorry I forgot to visit the site, hmmm it seems that mostly Powermacs are able to get processors from that site, but anyways I understand now.
 
dpaanlka So would i buy able to put a QX6700 into a Mac Pro?
Sorry I forgot to visit the site, hmmm it seems that mostly Powermacs are able to get processors from that site, but anyways I understand now.

No it's a different type of processor, you can however put 5300 series quad core chips in.
 
Why are macs so expensive?

In australia, mac are getting dangerously close to dell prices (traditionally the cheapest brand of PC manufacturer), although nowhere near the private outlets which will get you an awesome, NASA-like machine for the price of 20" iMac

you can't compare dell's to macs on just processor, ram, HDD and VGA

what's the speed of the ram? what's quality of the VGA? what's the quality of the sound card (if applicable with dells)? what's the speaker quality (again, if applicable)?what's the screen quality, what's the keyboard and mouse quality? what's the webcam/microphone (again, if any)? how much noise does the dell make compared to the iMac?

and that's before we get to the software



but on a tangent, what i've found shocking in australia, is that apart from dell...iMacs are actually cheaper than all the PC's in mainstream stores
i mean...the edu iMac is going for AU$1350 in some places
 
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