Why are people in here so mean?

[xPad]

Got a link to some examples in particular?

Regarding IPP - Tech podcast after tech article that is actually going into detail about IPP is pretty disappointed with it. It's more about the fact they rushed it out with all KINDS of IOS interface issues and incomplete/unaddressed areas and then the lack of accessory availability.

Were you talking beyond IPP?

With few exceptions, the reviews have been universally positive. They have had caveats regarding pro apps, but beyond that, you're imagining things.

And exactly the sort of negativity the OP is talking about.

Not to mention, accessory availability has absolutely nothing to do with the quality of the iPad Pro, and will be all but forgotten in short order. In bringing it up, you show how weak your overall argument is.

 

[AbSoluTc]

Here's the thing a lot of these reviewers are forgetting - just because it doesn't work how you expected/wanted, doesn't mean it's the same for everyone else. I see the IPP as a computer replacement for many people that browse, email, shop, watch content and the like. This wasn't marketed as a replacement for an office computer or the like. People are putting their own spin on it and are disappointed that it won't replace X because of Y. Nobody said it would. Nobody. The only thing that was said was it could possibly replace computers for some people. If you fit in that group, perfect. If you don't, whats the problem?

These reviewers shouldn't be reviewing these things if they can't have a neutral opinion.

 

[turbineseaplane]

With few exceptions, the reviews have been universally positive. They have had caveats regarding pro apps, but beyond that, you're imagining things.

And exactly the sort of negativity the OP is talking about.

Not to mention, accessory availability has absolutely nothing to do with the quality of the iPad Pro, and will be all but forgotten in short order. In bringing it up, you show how weak your overall argument is.

Simply not true on the podcasts. You simply couldn't be more wrong about the accessories as the pencil in particular is 90% of the push with this new device from Apple.

Check out Happy Hour or the recent ATP. It's precisele what I just said above. Lots of niggles with lots of potential and a huge bummer that accessories are scarce.

And besides that I had iPad Pro, it's not right for me and it has a lot of problems right now. That's my opinion based on actual ownership. It is not negativity it's being realistic and honest.

 

[turbineseaplane]

I've seen a lot of mixed impressions; the consensus seems to be (from what I've seen) that the iPP is an exceptional tablet with a great screen and the best stylus in most people's experiences, but that as an office productivity device or computer replacement it's limited in its usefulness. I don't know that I would characterize that as disappointment, just incredulity that iOS is ready to serve as a desktop OS replacement.

All kinds of iOS interface issues? I haven't see almost any complaints about UI issues, except for perhaps app scaling due to apps not being adjusted for the iPP's resolution. Is that what you're referring to?

I'm referring to countless Apple applications that simply don't know how to use the space and were clearly thrown together… Messages is a great example but there are several.

Folks. Take off the blinders. It was rushed out to meet the holiday season. We all know how the shopping season works.

 

[mcdj]

Why are people in here so mean?

By "here", I assume you are referring to planet earth in the 21st century. The answer is that as humans gain better scientific understanding of our place in the universe (hurtling aimlessly through a vast nothingness on a forgettable speck of wet rock) and our fate (choking and cooking ourselves, and/or cosmic oblivion via a dying sun), and begin to shy away from previous mythologies that had happier endings, people are gonna get a little grumpy. All that fear and uncertainty has to go somewhere...

 

[Michael Goff]

"Why are people around here mean?"

Because people are mean. It's kind of how people are.

 

[maflynn]

[MOD NOTE]
We seem to be going off the rails again, this thread is in the Site and Forum Feedback forum, please discuss the topic, not iPads or any of Apple's products.

 

[sim667]

I think the mods don't even have enough time to deal with the outright racism in PRSI, let alone try and make people "nicer" unfortunately......

They try though.

 

[mobilehaathi]

I think the mods don't even have enough time to deal with the outright racism in PRSI, let alone try and make people "nicer" unfortunately......

They try though.

Racism is allowed in PRSI as long as you provide a link.

 

[Scepticalscribe]

"Why are people around here mean?"

Because people are mean. It's kind of how people are.

Not necessarily.

Not everyone is mean, and, more to the point, not everyone chooses to be mean.

This is not something which happens, or which 'just is'. Instead, it is a type of behaviour which people allow themselves to do or give themselves permission to do.

I think the mods don't even have enough time to deal with the outright racism in PRSI, let alone try and make people "nicer" unfortunately......

They try though.

They do try, agreed.

And unfortunately, the cloaking anonymity afforded by the internet - along with the fact that acceptable or agreed upon online etiquette has not yet developed, added to the lack of likely consequence, has meant that ill manners can flourish without fear of retribution.

But, they don't need to. People can choose to be polite and respectful, of they can choose to be rude in their online interactions.

Racism is allowed in PRSI as long as you provide a link.

To be honest, I don't think that racism is allowed. Rather, it is so deeply ingrained in some parts of US society that suppressing its expression is very difficult as it reflects attitudes deeply embedded in parts of that society.

 

[Michael Goff]

Not necessarily.

Not everyone is mean, and, more to the point, not everyone chooses to be mean.

This is not something which happens, or which 'just is'. Instead, it is a type of behaviour which people allow themselves to do or give themselves permission to do.



They do try, agreed.

And unfortunately, the cloaking anonymity afforded by the internet - along with the fact that acceptable or agreed upon online etiquette has not yet developed, added to the lack of likely consequence, has meant that ill manners can flourish without fear of retribution.

But, they don't need to. People can choose to be polite and respectful, of they can choose to be rude in their online interactions.



To be honest, I don't think that racism is allowed. Rather, it is so deeply ingrained in some parts of US society that suppressing its expression is very difficult as it reflects attitudes deeply embedded in parts of that society.

Then why do we have to teach children to do the right thing and be nice if the opposite isn't their instinct?

 

[Scepticalscribe]

Then why do we have to teach children to do the right thing and be nice if the opposite isn't their instinct?

But children are not on this forum being mean.

It is adults - who presumably have been socialised into behaving in a manner which is supposed to acknowledge and/or respect their fellow human beings who choose to be rude when they have been brought up with the belief that such behaviour is unacceptable.

We teach children to do the right thing, and we teach them to do the safe thing, and hopefully equip them with the skills to navigate their passage in life and to do so in a way which has learned to be tolerant of the fact that others may differ from them.

 

[Michael Goff]

But children are not on this forum being mean.

It is adults - who presumably have been socialised into behaving in a manner which is supposed to acknowledge and/or respect their fellow human beings who choose to be rude when they have been brought up with the belief that such behaviour is unacceptable.

We teach children to do the right thing, and we teach them to do the safe thing, and hopefully equip them with the skills to navigate their passage in life and to do so in a way which has learned to be tolerant of the fact that others may differ from them.

People relapse into their base instincts when given anonymity.

 

[Scepticalscribe]

People relapse into their base instincts when given anonymity.

No, they don't 'relapse'. Such behaviour online is not governed by instinct but is a deliberate act and a deliberate choice.

The choice and the decision to behave as you want to behave rather than how you ought to behave in civilised company, is what has been selected here.

They choose to be rude. This is a matter of choice, - not instinct - because the perpetrator may feel that negative consequences are unlikely to flow from his or her behaviour. That does not excuse it, however.

 

[Michael Goff]

No, they don't 'relapse'. Such behaviour online is not governed by instinct but is a deliberate act and a deliberate choice.

The choice and the decision to behave as you want to behave rather than how you ought to behave in civilised company, is what has been selected here.

They choose to be rude. This is a matter of choice, - not instinct - because the perpetrator may feel that negative consequences are unlikely to flow from his or her behaviour. That does not excuse it, however.

It's easier to be mean than nice.

 

[Scepticalscribe]

It's easier to be mean than nice.

That is neither excuse nor justification.

And no, I don't agree. Meanness and nastiness need to be worked on - or, at the very least, not curbed - if they are to be a default setting for adults.

Why else does military training place such strong emphasis on de-sensitising individuals, if these patterns of behaviour and conduct have not become deeply ingrained as norms of how to behave and conduct yourself?

As an adult, (and yes, children can be said sometimes to inhabit a world akin to that described by Rousseau's 'noble savage') you choose to be nice, or you can choose to be mean and nasty and ill mannered and boorish.

One is not easier than the other. It is a choice you choose to make, and a behavioural preference you - or one - expresses..

 

[Michael Goff]

That is neither excuse nor justification.

And no, I don't agree. Meanness and nastiness need to be worked on - or, at the very least, not curbed - if they are to be a default setting for adults.

Why else does military training place such strong emphasis on de-sensitising individuals, if these patterns of behaviour and conduct have not become deeply ingrained as norms of how to behave and conduct yourself?

As an adult, (and yes, children can be said sometimes to inhabit a world akin to that described by Rousseau's 'noble savage') you choose to be nice, or you can choose to be mean and nasty and ill mannered and boorish.

One is not easier than the other. It is a choice you choose to make, and a behavioural preference you - or one - expresses..

There is a huge difference between being rude and being able to kill. :|

 

[Scepticalscribe]

There is a huge difference between being rude and being able to kill. :|

Agreed, but in both cases what was learned behaviour is either actively unlearned, or discarded, or disregarded.

My argument is that most rudeness online is an openly avowed choice, a form of behaviour that the poster chooses to engage in. It is not 'instinct'. It is a process of unlearning good manners or choosing to behave in a deliberately rude way, or giving oneself permission to behave badly.

 

[Michael Goff]

Agreed, but in both cases what was learned behaviour is either actively unlearned, or discarded, or disregarded.

My argument is that most rudeness online is an openly avowed choice, a form of behaviour that the poster chooses to engage in. It is not 'instinct'. It is a process of unlearning good manners or choosing to behave in a deliberately rude way, or giving oneself permission to behave badly.

And I'm arguing that sometimes it isn't. Sometimes it's turning off the brain and just reacting.

 

[NewdestinyX]

Anonymity is indeed what provides the environment for unacceptable behavior. Several of the technical forums I'm part of, do battle against this, by requiring actual first and last names to be used as one's screen name on the forum. There's also an area where you have to list your main major city closest to you - city and state. This then provides a mechanism for people to actually look up a person if they get out of line.

As soon as you're using your real name suddenly you check your attitude at the door. At first I was frustrated that this was a requirement of the forum to even post… But it solved so many more problems than it may create (in terms of your privacy).

People also use forums to say things to strangers that they want to say to their coworkers and family but don't. It's an outlet for anger issues.

 

[m4v3r1ck]

The internet is the 'adults' re-invented childhood schools' playground. They just like to bully from time to time! +1 for the kids back then, as they did it face-to-face! [/sarcasm]

Cheers

 

[Meister]

Anonymity is indeed what provides the environment for unacceptable behavior. Several of the technical forums I'm part of, do battle against this, by requiring actual first and last names to be used as one's screen name on the forum. There's also an area where you have to list your main major city closest to you - city and state. This then provides a mechanism for people to actually look up a person if they get out of line.

How utterly insane would one have to be to "look up a person if they get out of line" on a ****ing internet forum

That's why anonymity is good.
To have casual communications without having all the crazy people show up on your doorstep.

 

[bpeeps]

Racism is allowed in PRSI as long as you provide a link.

I think the mods don't even have enough time to deal with the outright racism in PRSI, let alone try and make people "nicer" unfortunately......

They try though.

The mods could care less about racism, homophobia, or sexism. Anytime a PRSI article hits the front page it's a war zone and all of the bigots in this community come out smashing their AK 47's into the keyboard. But if you correct someone on a spelling error or post a gif instead of a comment, you best believe the mods are there to clean it up no matter how trivial it is.

 

[balamw]

The mods could care less about racism, homophobia, or sexism. Anytime a PRSI article hits the front page it's a war zone and all of the bigots in this community come out smashing their AK 47's into the keyboard. But if you correct someone on a spelling error or post a gif instead of a comment, you best believe the mods are there to clean it up no matter how trivial it is.

MOD NOTE: The whole reason for the existence of PRSI and the Rules for Appropriate Debate is to allow the discussion of otherwise sensitive topics within certain limits. In order to allow different points of view, we must focus less on the opinion presented than how it is presented and whether that follows the guidelines for debate. Many times this means allowing posts we personally find repulsive.

There are plenty of other places around the 'net where you can post an endless series of GIFs e.g. 4chan or post any snide spelling-Nazi comments. We have opted for rules that discourage these behaviors and these rules are much clearer to enforce so any reports of such posts do tend to get done quickly where some PRSI reports take a while for several of us to discuss.

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[bpeeps]

MOD NOTE: The whole reason for the existence of PRSI and the Rules for Appropriate Debate is to allow the discussion of otherwise sensitive topics within certain limits. In order to allow different points of view, we must focus less on the opinion presented than how it is presented and whether that follows the guidelines for debate. Many times this means allowing posts we personally find repulsive.

There are plenty of other places around the 'net where you can post an endless series of GIFs e.g. 4chan or post any snide spelling-Nazi comments. We have opted for rules that discourage these behaviors and these rules are much clearer to enforce so any reports of such posts do tend to get done quickly where some PRSI reports take a while for several of us to discuss.

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Racism is not a different view point. It's hate speech and only serves to further isolate, discriminate, and tear down those who are affected by it. And the fact that the mod team doesn't understand, address, or acknowledge that it exists is a gross oversight. Instead it is dismissed as discourse and a small minority of community members are left to weed through the garbage voicing corrections. The community does a great job of relegating most of that to the buried PRSI forum, but when these articles make the front page they almost seem like a troll-bait from the mod team.

Check out this awesome article on the Reddit mods and how they handle these issues through isolation.

Reddit is far from the best at controlling hate speech, but they're actively trying. Which is more than I can say here.