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I am 53 and have been saving since my late 20’s and have built up quite a nice savings in my 401k though it’s not as nice now :(. I still also have a pension and although it will be frozen as of next year, I will still get some income out of it. My personal savings is another matter, but I don’t fall into that can’t scrape together $400 in an emergency category.
 
I am 53 and have been saving since my late 20’s and have built up quite a nice savings in my 401k though it’s not as nice now :(. I still also have a pension and although it will be frozen as of next year, I will still get some income out of it. My personal savings is another matter, but I don’t fall into that can’t scrape together $400 in an emergency category.
I like I-bonds and CD ladders as depositories for emergency parachutes.

I had a coworker at my last job who'd managed to dig herself a $17k hole. After facing the math (all I did was teach her how to use excel and a bit of positive encouragement), we worked out an emergency fund scheme with a sweep account+CD ladder and disciplined debt payoff (debt avalanche). She got herself out of debt in two years and made her oh-sh*t fund target of 1 yr's budget before the first 60mo CD matured and rolled into the next one. She's also been taking the match on her 401k, and feeding a Roth and a HSA. Last time I checked in, we talking about replacing the CD ladder with an I-bond ladder instead.
 
I'm investing all the time, this is the only way to be retired rich
Yes - disciplined and consistent behavior. There's a lot of ways to 'invest'. For folks with a W2 job, paper assets (broadly diverse ETFs, corporate and muni bonds, -- all within tax-advantaged accounts like 401ks/Roths/HSAs or through discount resources like Vanguard or eTrade) are the low-hanging fruit of what you can do while employed by someone else. And I-bonds and CDs.

There are two other broad categories of work and effort that isn’t paper: Real Estate Investing & Building Your Own Business. Either of these pursuits can greatly grow your wealth, and sometimes can be chased while working a W2 gig.

Real Estate investing (buying, landlording, fixing-and-flipping and all of its permutations) can grow wealth. For the curious, the free online resource called BiggerPockets is probably the first place to explore. You can also learn a lot from your local ‘REIA’ group – a Real Estate Investment Association.

Or do you want to build your own business? There is NOTHING as hard or satisfying as working for yourself – or a simple side-hustle. Most companies started as someone’s basement or garage project, hobby, or passion.
 
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Who needs wealth? When you die you can’t take it with you, and life is short anyway. Have enough money to be able to do what you want, and for the rest invest in your free time — your experiences, your spiritual life, your wellbeing.
 
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Who needs wealth? When you die you can’t take it with you, and life is short anyway. Have enough money to be able to do what you want, and for the rest invest in your free time — your experiences, your spiritual life, your wellbeing.
You clearly missed the point of the thread. This isn't about accruing wealth, it's about saving for the years in life when working is next to impossible and/or retirement.
 
You clearly missed the point of the thread. This isn't about accruing wealth, it's about saving for the years in life when working is next to impossible and/or retirement.
Millenials and Gen Z will be hard pressed to be able to save for retirement. We all blame the Boomers, although it started (1970's) before half the Boomers even joined the workforce. The link between production and compensation has gone askewed, with the lion's share going to the owners. There are a few owners who are willing to cut $1M of their 8-figures income so that they can pay their workers living wages, but they're few and far between.
Most of us Gen X'ers can work it out with careful planning. I've got 3 houses I can sell, push comes to shove. I'm planning on keeping them for the kids so they won't get screwed by the rental market. 2 kids, so I've got a house I can sell.
 
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Millenials and Gen Z will be hard pressed to be able to save for retirement. We all blame the Boomers, although it started (1970's) before half the Boomers even joined the workforce. The link between production and compensation has gone askewed, with all the compensation going to the 1%.
Most of us Gen X'ers can work it out with careful planning. I've got 3 houses I can sell, push comes to shove. I'm planning on keeping them for the kids so they won't get screwed by the rental market. 2 kids, so I've got a house I can sell.
Agreed, I'm a stuck Millenial in that sense. I have saved, but push comes to shove, Boomers did us over.
 
@Bodhitree - kudos to you for achieving FIRE at a very early age. Evidently your lifestyle and restraint on materialism allowed you to reach your retirement goal 25 years before many do. That's nothing to sneeze at. I know each individual has their own financial journey, so their perceived 'needs' for a wealth value may be very different. Personally, my family's Financial Independence is predicated on staying healthy enough to avoid the high costs of the medical industry. As I don't expect social security to outlive me, I will not use that entitlement in my future budgeting -- that meant acquiring more wealth so that not only am I and my spouse not a future financial burden on our children, but we can leave them an amount of wealth to help their descendants a touch more comfortably.

You have a fine philosophy, but it doesn't fit within my goals.
 
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Millenials and Gen Z will be hard pressed to be able to save for retirement. We all blame the Boomers, although it started (1970's) before half the Boomers even joined the workforce. The link between production and compensation has gone askewed, with the lion's share going to the owners. There are a few owners who are willing to cut $1M of their 8-figures income so that they can pay their workers living wages, but they're few and far between.
May I offer some historical perspective? This askewed disconnect began with the focused opinion theory of Milton Friedman, who promoted the concept that corporations have but one party to whom they answer, the 'owners'. Prior to that, much of corporate culture considered all the stake-holders: the owners, management and the rest of the employee workforce, the customers, the vendors and the community.

A consultancy called McKinsey ran with that idea, selling their opinions to receptive BODs and C-suite execs. McKinsey became the go-to corporate advisors for squeezing profits and redirecting resources to the shareholders alone. Counselling companies on how to be more 'efficient', how to cut benefits and payroll, how to maximize lifespans of existing infrastructure (is it more cost effective to modernize or allow a facility/process to run until it rusts out from under), how to offshore labor, technology support and manufacturing, and how to use corporate resources to influence government regulation. This came to a climax when lobbyists (gee, I wonder who) convinced the neo-cons overseeing the SEC in '83 to allow unfettered stock buybacks by public companies. [The next time a politician bloviates about the evils of regulation and promotes budget cuts to regulatory staff, look to see who owns him or her.]

Rather than profits being reinvested in wages, or R&D, or infrastructure, companies have for 4 decades been following the McKinsey method, reinforced by famous graduate 'Schools of Business' as how 'modern companies operate'. Stock buybacks in particular have been toxic. Many C-suiters and BODs benefit directly, as they have both stock options and performance bonuses. Bonuses are often structured based on one major metric: the EPS improvement during a mgmt's reign. If the EPS goes up, the bonus metrics are made --, regardless of whether the share prices actually rise in the long-term. Anyone can do the math: buy back a bunch of stocks, and even if the share price hasn't moved a penny, EPS rises. Bonus!

Usually, share prices do rise on these artificial inflations due in part from the temporary 'good news' cycle that a company was profitable enough to buy back stocks. Such is the reasoning of Wall Street press. Note that previous to stock buybacks, more of that profit would have been funneled into dividends -- but we can't have that since dividends are taxable to the shareholder. I worked for a company of 300k employees that earmarked $24Billion+ to three years of buybacks. If mgmt had earmarked HALF of that money to raises, it would have been a $6.50/hr increase for each person over the same period. They'd still buy back $12Bil. McKinsey may be the most powerful consultancy ever, yet almost no one has heard of them.

@Mousse points to millionaire 'owners'. Perhaps he meant CEOs and other C-suite denizens. While many receive obnoxious levels of pay, even if they were stripped down to $1/yr and no bonuses of any kind, the compensation savings wouldn't raise the average worker more than a few pennies. The real owners (of public companies) are the shareholders, and the majority of that are institutional investors and hedge funds. The same institutional investors that provide those 401k-type and pension programs. So anyone here who has stock investments -- you are an owner. Those hedge funds and 'actively-managed' mutuals cannot match the annual performance of VTI and other diverse low expense ETFs, but their owners and managers still make bank. The C-suites and BODs would lose their jobs in a heartbeat if they were brazen enough to stop with the stock buybacks. They are controlled completely by the large investor entities and the 'advice' of McKinsey.
 
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Just saw this thread - I am saving for retirement. With the house paid off (the place is tiny and falling to pieces, so I am not as wealthy as it sounds), I started a strategy of calculating my estimated retirement payments and then putting any of my salary above that into retirement savings and investments. This way I'll be used to living within my retirement budget. The problem is, of course, my once swimmingly successful investments are tanking thanks to COVID, Putin, Brexit, and the business cycle lining up in some sort of nightmarish conjunction.

As for the concern that the younger generations will have to care of me, well, let's just say there are levels of existence I am not prepared to countenance. The day I need help is the day I take a fifth of whisky up to the Scottish highlands, never to be seen again.
 
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If you have a college degree and invest in retirement from when you start work, there is no reason why you can't retire with a million unless you are paying for children's college education :).
A college degree does not guarantee much. It takes a few years to make it through school, and there is a good chance that the average student owes a small fortune on school-loan payments. There are quite a lot of well-paying jobs that are based on worker skills. For example, licensed plumbers and electricians are just two of numerous areas where people can earn a lot of money.

Re-edited on 18 June, 2022: That said, as we get old it's best to enjoy life along the way before one gets there, since oftentimes one is too old and in bad shape to enjoy the money one has saved :)
 
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The problem is, of course, my once swimmingly successful investments are tanking thanks to COVID, Putin, Brexit, and the business cycle lining up in some sort of nightmarish conjunction.
Perhaps we are using the wrong yardsticks? My major holdings are all better today than they were 16 months ago. And they are TWICE what they were six years ago. Rule of 72 suggests that's a 12% yoy gain. I don't see the sky falling just yet...
 
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Aside from our investments, we basically eliminated our overhead. But we’ve only be able to accomplish that, because we pay for everything in cash -versus- charging to a credit card, which is the unfortunate societal ‘norm’ with people on how they pay for items they justify they think they can afford, when they can’t. In translation, people would be able to save so much more if they were actually able to eliminate debt, not compound it.

When you look at saving for retirement in general, the strategy is really simple. The problem I suspect the reason people don’t save for retirement the way they ‘should’, is because they don’t want to think about it, when they rather would take things as they happen, versus have forward logic where you’re planning six months, one year, five years ahead, ect.

Now, I also understand that not everybody has a lucrative career where they’re able to generate substantial income in trade for their skill, which especially in today’s society, if you have a large family, things are very expensive. But, even if you can margin a minimal savings amount between your income and your spousal income every month for the next 25 years for example, that’s all it takes. It’s strategy, basic logic and commitment are the key ingredients.
 
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Aside from our investments, we basically eliminated our overhead. But we’ve only be able to accomplish that, because we pay for everything in cash -versus- charging to a credit card, which is the unfortunate societal ‘norm’ with people on how they pay for items they justify they think they can afford, when they can’t. In translation, people would be able to save so much more if they were actually able to eliminate debt, not compound it.
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Agreed. I do have one credit card which is used as a charge card all the time. If an item needs credit, it's because it's a house or car. Not for devices or everyday things.
 
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Once I am employed again, I will definitely reupp my retirement and savings.
May I suggest take ANY job now so that at the very least you aren't dipping into savings. Don't let pride stop you and make you poorer. My first semi-retirement gig was with a big-box hardware outfit. It bought me very affordable HSA-qualified health ins, a matched 401k with decent vanguard target-date funds (I contributed far more than just the match), enough take-home to buy the groceries and gas and contribute to a Roth & aforementioned HSA investment. Having no debt makes such things possible, even on a low-wage retail gig. And boy, did it open my eyes to how many folks live paycheck-to-paycheck simply because they fall into the consumerism marketing.

If anyone has ideas on how we can help others become emotionally divorced from buying unnecessary crap and saving+investing more, I'd love to hear them.
 
My first semi-retirement gig was with a big-box hardware outfit.
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If anyone has ideas on how we can help others become emotionally divorced from buying unnecessary crap and saving+investing more, I'd love to hear them.
Oh, the irony!
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For anybody interested, here are some starting points for thinking about consumer behavior and persuasion on a personal level (check your local library first, right?):
  • The Paradox of Choice (Schwartz)
  • Status Anxiety (de Botton)
  • Influence (Cialdini)
And a classic: Extraordinary Popular Delusions and The Madness of Crowds (Mackay)
 
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May I suggest take ANY job now so that at the very least you aren't dipping into savings. Don't let pride stop you and make you poorer. My first semi-retirement gig was with a big-box hardware outfit. It bought me very affordable HSA-qualified health ins, a matched 401k with decent vanguard target-date funds (I contributed far more than just the match), enough take-home to buy the groceries and gas and contribute to a Roth & aforementioned HSA investment. Having no debt makes such things possible, even on a low-wage retail gig. And boy, did it open my eyes to how many folks live paycheck-to-paycheck simply because they fall into the consumerism marketing.

If anyone has ideas on how we can help others become emotionally divorced from buying unnecessary crap and saving+investing more, I'd love to hear them.
Thanks for the tips.
 
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