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iPhone SE (2016) Why can’t Apple just make an all screen SE2?

Plutonius said:
I would agree that I'm probably in a minority but I don't believe it's an extreme minority.

About half the people I know use it as a phone (voice and text) with occasional smartphone uses.
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Do you live in an old folks home? I use my phone about 80% apps, 15% texts, and 5% calls(Probably less) and I'm far from young. I would say my friends do about the same.

Edit: I looked at screen time and calls are probably about 1%
 
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bpeeps said:
If your primary use is a phone and not a smartphone, then there are hundreds of options for you. You have to understand you are an extreme minority.
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russell_314 said:
Do you live in an old folks home? I use my phone about 80% apps, 15% texts, and 5% calls(Probably less) and I'm far from young. I would say my friends do about the same.

Edit: I looked at screen time and calls are probably about 1%
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I'm with @Plutonius on this one. 99% of my phone use is for calls, texts, email or light web browsing when not near a computer. I just turned 49 in September.

But between work and home there is at least one computer near me 24/7. 99% of the time I can be found sitting in front of a computer. It's much easier just to switch to Outlook and send an email then it is to pick up the phone and send an email. Especially when my hands are already on the keyboard and mouse.

Apps? Computer, right in front of me. Streaming video or watching a movie? Either a computer, right in front of me or a 55" HDTV at home. Phones have gotten much bigger, but I still prefer my media consumption on screens that measure 20" or more.

I do tend to stream music using my phone but that's generally because it's easier to move the phone around (headphone jack) than it is a computer.

I could probably make calls from the computer as well, but I usually don't.
 
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Plutonius said:
I'm in my 50's so I'm not there quite yet :).

What apps do you use ?
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I'm right behind you so I'm looking for a good place lol. I use banking and bill pay apps, a few social media and messenger apps, I have two games I play regularly and a half dozen I play occasionally, lots of web browsing on Safari. I'm not one for long phone calls. I can talk your ear off in person but after about ten minutes a phone call seems dragged out. I mostly use text or a messenger app to communicate with friends.

Edit: forgot mail, calendar 5, Overcast (podcasts), Apple Music, Apple TV, weather, notes, and of course camera/ photos
 
I had the X, it was too heavy and too big, I went back to the 6s, but then tried the SE and I loved the size... stuck with it since. I'm not going to buy a bigger phone, I bought a refurb Galaxy S8 to try VR for £100, and it's too big for a phone tbh. The SE fits perfectly in my Pocket, I can take it out on my bicycle and use it one handed comfortably, the 6s was just a bit too big to do that... plus really slippy due to the shape.

I guess my only hope for the future is a Razr style smartphone with a foldable screen.
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Plus I don't think I'm in a minority, I just think the industry shifts and people have to get used to it. I think the SE sold quite well, and I think a modern take on it would be really popular... as long as Apple don't treat it as a recycle phone like the SE.
 
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Northern Man said:
This is a serious question: This is speculation on my part but I feel that a substantial number of mobile phone users have the phone and no other computing device. Perhaps more in less prosperous countries but I know of many in the UK. I think that this may be more prevalent in the younger demographic. As the phone is their one and only device they want a larger screen for watching videos etc. Views on this would be welcome.
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You're right that for many people, especially in emerging markets, the smartphone is their first/only computing device, and they want to enjoy their entertainment on it. Thus larger screen is what they prefer. Even $100 Android phones now sport 6" screens or larger.

There's a reason why the iPhone 6/6 Plus were the bestselling iPhone ever, being the first large screen iPhone.

And then there's the tech itself. Chips get faster, modems get faster, and now we have neural computation to boot. These things draw more power, generate more heat, and we cannot defeat physics yet. Larger phones mean better heat dissipation and also larger space for bigger batteries.

I do miss small phones, but that ship has sailed. Any company probably cannot justify the cost of making and supporting smaller phones since the demand is not that huge.
 
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Plutonius said:
I'm in my 50's so I'm not there quite yet :).

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I'm not that far from that age group, and my vision acuity is not that great anymore. I set my iPhone 5 with larger fonts, and it gets quite comical. Larger screen imo is better in accommodating the larger fonts vs content shown. :D
 
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Rejoice, next year Apple will release the 5.4” all screen (or “all screen”, if they keep the notch) flagship just for you. Smaller than the iPhone 8.
 
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pika2000 said:
You're right that for many people, especially in emerging markets, the smartphone is their first/only computing device, and they want to enjoy their entertainment on it. Thus larger screen is what they prefer. Even $100 Android phones now sport 6" screens or larger.
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That’s actually a great experiment - if you ride the subway in any Latin American country (maybe except Venezuela) you’ll see that 80% of riders will be sporting a recent/semi-recent (2017+) Samsung that’s the size of a billboard and probably cost somewhere between $200-$350. These people won’t want a post stamp-sized iPhone. Maybe in some impoverished communities where iPhones are status symbols? I don’t know where that would be nowadays.
 
Plutonius said:
As an SE owner, I have given up hope that Apple will ever produce an SE sized iPhone again.

My primary use for an iPhone is as a phone and the SE is the perfect size for me.

When my SE dies and I can't find a SE replacement, I'll probably switch back to a small flip phone.
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Ha that’s my mom’s threat to go to a flip phone. I’m calling her bluff.
 
I just don't see how an iPhone X can be seen as too heavy and large. My 87 year old grandma has one in her hand at least 75% of the day chatting/facetiming with family and playing games. If she can manage to hold such a heavy device, how frail are the people complaining about the whopping 6.14oz weight of the X?
 
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Roy Hobbs said:
I just don't see how an iPhone X can be seen as too heavy and large. My 87 year old grandma has one in her hand at least 75% of the day chatting/facetiming with family and playing games. If she can manage to hold such a heavy device, how frail are the people complaining about the whopping 6.14oz weight of the X?
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A lot of people who want to one-hand a ~$1000+ device make this complaint.

Personally, I find I'd much rather use two hands for such an expensive device. Not interested in explaining to my wife how I managed to break something that pricey by trying to one-hand it.
 
I think they may go this route as I see the value, but it just depends on costs. I ultimately think we (society) will revert back to smaller phones, so it wouldn't surprise me if they go this route.
 
Plutonius said:
I would agree that I'm probably in a minority but I don't believe it's an extreme minority.

About half the people I know use it as a phone (voice and text) with occasional smartphone uses.
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Anecdotal information means absolutely nothing. That's your personal experience and it doesn't translate to anything beyond that. Most people use their phone for messaging, web browsing, social media apps, and gaming.
 
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Been using XR and 11 for a year. My wrist was pain due to heavy phone. Recently giving the 11 to my sister and I keep her 6s+. I'm waiting for SE2 since then. 4.7" of 6 6s 7 8 are fine as long as chamfer edges. hate the stupid round edges.
Reasons for SE2:
1. Chamfer edges (wish to keep it)
2. Lighter weight, ~140 g is the max
3. A13 (Latest SoC, better battery duration)
4. Fingerprint scanner! (I'm not kidding, FaceID is pain to use at office, driving & midnight)
 
MacRazySwe said:
It’s intended as a budget phone. It won’t get Face-ID. Since Touch-ID will remain, so will the bezels.

Next years 5.4” iPhone will be close to what you’re after, but don’t expect it to come in at £500.
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Even at £500 it’s anything but a budget iphone.
 
Roy Hobbs said:
I just don't see how an iPhone X can be seen as too heavy and large. My 87 year old grandma has one in her hand at least 75% of the day chatting/facetiming with family and playing games. If she can manage to hold such a heavy device, how frail are the people complaining about the whopping 6.14oz weight of the X?
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I 1 handed the 6s Max and 11 Pro Max is 1 oz bigger. They are 1 handable with a case.
 
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