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Well I have had and worked with CPM/86, MS-Dos, and Windows PC for over thirty years. I have only just got rid of a Windows 95 laptop and still have a Windows 7 PC and Laptop, I also have an iPad2 and worked in IT for nearly thirty years. Then they brought out Windows 8 - what a load of rubbish that is. Not at all user friendly, confusing to the novice. I keep getting people bringing their laptops to me asking me to get to look like Windows 7. Easy enough when you know how.

Then I bought an iMac 21.5 with an i7 with fusion HDD and 16gb ram with a numeric keypad and magic mouse. I upgraded to Mavericks as soon as the machine arrived, this went without a hitch. This is the best PC I have had for years and wish I had changed before. It does everything I want, easier and faster than Windows 7 starts and shuts down quicker than any Windows machine of a similar spec. I use Office, iphoto and several other apps . Carbon Copy Cloner takes care of the daily backups. Everything is much better than on my Windows 7 machines.

So good bye Windows - Hallo iMac.
 
Totally agree with everything you said and have shared many similiar experiences over the years. I paid premium cash for MS-DOS 6.22 (upgrading from MS-DOS 5.0), Windows 95 (upgrading from Windows 3.1), and Windows XP (upgrading from Windows 98). These upgrades were all between $60 and $179 each. Meanwhile, since coming to the Mac, I have upgraded from Snow Leopard to Lion, Lion to Mountain Lion, and Mountain Lion to Mavericks. For a total sum of $40. It's the best OS out there, and I love the whole hardware/software experience.

I agree with you, but believe iOS has always been buggy from day one when Steve Jobs entered the stage, there are hiccups which plague the system till today like the device restarting while surfing in safari an issue I have experienced on all iOS devices . I have never really experienced freezing but the new iOS7 lags to hell on my new my iPad Air, in stark contrast on my older iPhone 5 it runs ok go figure technology.

However Mavericks is another story, on my late 2013 13" MacBook retina, iTunes lags when moving the cursor and that whole mail issue thing, but it's free so I guess with more updates the issues will be fixed in time.
 
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I agree its comments like this which deter people from people from getting Macs in the first place if you do not like macs make a new a thread why i did not choose a mac.

You still don't get it. I will explain it for the last time. I do own 2 iMacs ( late 2009 and mid 2011 ). My iMac BTO late 2013 is dispatched, awaiting. I have another 1 Airport extreme, one Elgato EyeTV and one Time Capsule.

I also had couple of iPhones ( 3G, 4 and 4S ). I like the brand name and the hardware/design is unique.

What you don't get is that I don't tolerate kiddy comments like " I got my iMac because OS x is great and more secure and Windows is full of viruses, bloatwares and incompatible with hardware whatever he/you meant.

Be fair. OS X is nice, intuitive and fast. But Windows ( that crappy OS of you ) remains what nearly 95% of Corporations, Educational and business organizations are using.

Let Apple give up on Intel Based Macs including bootcamp then let me see how many folds their Mac sales will drop ?

In my opinion Apple is about quality and design. OS x is still great for Audio visual work. But let's face it... even FCP lost against Adobe.

There are things that OSx can't run but there isn't anything that Windows can't do. And trust me, Apple doesn't give a damn about it. They're much more interested in making money out of their complete ecosystem they built over the last years. Pads and Phones is what's bringing them all the cash.

And that's what made Microsoft jealous to the point where they went full retard with Windows 8, an almost tablet OS on a workstation.
 
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When I first got my iMac back in 2011, I thought THIS IS IT. Finally, a Mac computer with decent graphic card (Radeon 6970M was one of the best mobile card you could get back then). With this I could integrate my work requirement for Mac (Adobe, FCP mostly) and my playtime with gaming PC (gaming on Bootcamp). I thought I was no longer required to get a dedicated gaming PC and separated Mac for work because it's a decent workhorse.

Yeah, everything is cool and happy ending with this beast, right? .. WRONG.

  1. Within the first 4 months, my iMac already developed bad smudged screen. Smoke-like stains appear on my display so I have the display replaced. Problem solved, for a while.
  2. Three months later the problem came back and as a bonus it constantly crashed and kept restarting. So again I have the display replaced (again) and this time along with HDD and GPU.
  3. Long story short after a few attempts of replacing components Apple gave me a brand new iMac instead. So happy I bought AppleCare because it takes care of me quite well.
  4. Yet again the problem persisted, the display gets smudged, again. Although not as bad as the first one.

Conclusion: iMac is not a perfect solution as I thought it would. It's not an ideal all in one, all purpose computer as it's supposed to. Problems keep appearing and that's a deal breaker.

My next computer will be a true gaming system. Along with it I could manage to get my work done on it. Seriously though ask yourself, what things a Windows PC can't do that only a Mac can? In contrary, there are things that can only be done on Windows.

With that said I still love Apple design concept and hardware. Only this time I won't be buying any of their Macintosh product. Even retina MBP has few glitches and I wouldn't put $1500++ to bet on such a computer. It will be limited to iOS devices only because apparently that's what Apple is good at. I wouldn't be surprised if Mac would only be considered as a hobby, few years from now.
 
When I first got my iMac back in 2011, I thought THIS IS IT. Finally, a Mac computer with decent graphic card (Radeon 6970M was one of the best mobile card you could get back then). With this I could integrate my work requirement for Mac (Adobe, FCP mostly) and my playtime with gaming PC (gaming on Bootcamp). I thought I was no longer required to get a dedicated gaming PC and separated Mac for work because it's a decent workhorse.

Yeah, everything is cool and happy ending with this beast, right? .. WRONG.

  1. Within the first 4 months, my iMac already developed bad smudged screen. Smoke-like stains appear on my display so I have the display replaced. Problem solved, for a while.
  2. Three months later the problem came back and as a bonus it constantly crashed and kept restarting. So again I have the display replaced (again) and this time along with HDD and GPU.
  3. Long story short after a few attempts of replacing components Apple gave me a brand new iMac instead. So happy I bought AppleCare because it takes care of me quite well.
  4. Yet again the problem persisted, the display gets smudged, again. Although not as bad as the first one.

Conclusion: iMac is not a perfect solution as I thought it would. It's not an ideal all in one, all purpose computer as it's supposed to. Problems keep appearing and that's a deal breaker.

My next computer will be a true gaming system. Along with it I could manage to get my work done on it. Seriously though ask yourself, what things a Windows PC can't do that only a Mac can? In contrary, there are things that can only be done on Windows.

With that said I still love Apple design concept and hardware. Only this time I won't be buying any of their Macintosh product. Even retina MBP has few glitches and I wouldn't put $1500++ to bet on such a computer. It will be limited to iOS devices only because apparently that's what Apple is good at. I wouldn't be surprised if Mac would only be considered as a hobby, few years from now.

Believe me, your Wintel machine will have problems of its own. While it may not suffer from all the heat related (smudges/parts dying) problems like the iMac, you will certainly experience issues.

No computer is perfect, but if you want bang for you buck, easy repairs and customization, then a custom PC is the right choice.
 
Believe me, your Wintel machine will have problems of its own. While it may not suffer from all the heat related (smudges/parts dying) problems like the iMac, you will certainly experience issues.

No computer is perfect, but if you want bang for you buck, easy repairs and customization, then a custom PC is the right choice.

That's right. No computer is perfect, not even an expensive Mac. But the easy access and repair outweighs the benefit of having a shiny Mac computer.

When something breaks inside the PC, there are possibilities I could continue to work with my machine. If graphic card is toasted I could manage for a few days while relying on iGPU as temporary solution. Same case with hdd because most likely I would have more than 1 drive in it.

Antyhing, just anything snapped inside the iMac I would have to bring in the whole package. Workflow stopped. Project stopped. Playtime stopped and I need to entirely put my fate on Apple to fix it.
 
That's right. No computer is perfect, not even an expensive Mac. But the easy access and repair outweighs the benefit of having a shiny Mac computer.

When something breaks inside the PC, there are possibilities I could continue to work with my machine. If graphic card is toasted I could manage for a few days while relying on iGPU as temporary solution. Same case with hdd because most likely I would have more than 1 drive in it.

Antyhing, just anything snapped inside the iMac I would have to bring in the whole package. Workflow stopped. Project stopped. Playtime stopped and I need to entirely put my fate on Apple to fix it.

Perfectly valid point. Anyone that would disagree is a blind fan boy. I love my 2013 iMac and will continue to use it for years. It all comes down to a subjective opinion on what one likes best and works for his or her own individual needs.

Make sure to buy a nice case from NZXT, Corsair or NZXT upgraded case fans and an H80i or equivalent CPU cooler. You'll have a sexy, quiet and cool (small amount of heat) computer that with its specs, will run circles around my iMac.

I just prefer OS X to Windows in general. I have no hatred toward Windows and actually find it more useful in many areas where OS X lacks. My work environment is nothing but Windows. All of our software, security, networking and much more simply fits better in the Windows environment. I couldn't see it any other way. However, when I get home, I'm glad to turn on my Mac, it just feels (subjective) like home. Plus I prefer how Premiere Pro runs on my iMac than it does on a comparable Wintel machine, call me crazy.

In the end, what works for me, may not work for you and that is completely understandable. You'll have to keep me posted (PM) on your build and a final update as well!
 
Perfectly valid point. Anyone that would disagree is a blind fan boy. I love my 2013 iMac and will continue to use it for years. It all comes down to a subjective opinion on what one likes best and works for his or her own individual needs.

Make sure to buy a nice case from NZXT, Corsair or NZXT upgraded case fans and an H80i or equivalent CPU cooler. You'll have a sexy, quiet and cool (small amount of heat) computer that with its specs, will run circles around my iMac.

I just prefer OS X to Windows in general. I have no hatred toward Windows and actually find it more useful in many areas where OS X lacks. My work environment is nothing but Windows. All of our software, security, networking and much more simply fits better in the Windows environment. I couldn't see it any other way. However, when I get home, I'm glad to turn on my Mac, it just feels (subjective) like home. Plus I prefer how Premiere Pro runs on my iMac than it does on a comparable Wintel machine, call me crazy.

In the end, what works for me, may not work for you and that is completely understandable. You'll have to keep me posted (PM) on your build and a final update as well!

I agree. Right now I'm kinda torn between a custom hackintosh gaming monster or an 27" iMac 780m. All because of Battlefield 4 lol. If it weren't for gaming, I'd already have the iMac.

I think Windows and OS X have their pros / cons. I prefer OS X but can work just fine on Windows. There are a few apps I like in OS X that aren't on Windows, but there are options that usually do the same thing. I love apps like Alfred, Keyboard Maestro, 1Password, Carbon Copy Cloner, Fission, iStat Menus, etc.
 
I agree. Right now I'm kinda torn between a custom hackintosh gaming monster or an 27" iMac 780m. All because of Battlefield 4 lol. If it weren't for gaming, I'd already have the iMac.

I think Windows and OS X have their pros / cons. I prefer OS X but can work just fine on Windows. There are a few apps I like in OS X that aren't on Windows, but there are options that usually do the same thing. I love apps like Alfred, Keyboard Maestro, 1Password, Carbon Copy Cloner, Fission, iStat Menus, etc.

I have the exact that iMac and also have BF4 installed on Windows 8.1 Pro. Everything set to high with AA off and I pull around 60 average in scenario.
 
As more people moved from desktop to laptop , and from laptop to iPads, and for some their smartphone satisfies their internet needs I am worried the desktop market might be dying.

If anything the tablet market might bring back a vibrant desktop market. In my case, and it has been similar for some friends and family, the tablet is so much more convenient than any laptop for the simple tasks we formerly justified the laptop over having a desktop for. Reading email, light surfing, and even some entertainment.

When I want to do serious work or play nothing beats a 27inch system with the power to do what I want.
 
I got my Imac and before that switched from Windows Laptop to Macbook Pro, cause of OSX itself. I had enough of Windows with all those security holes and updates where the Windows is getting only slower and needs to be reinstalled once in a while. But no more, I am happy and think I made the right decision :)
 
I just have the best computer ever made: the macmini. As easy to carry around as a MacbookAir, as powerful as the BTO iMac's and MacPro's with normal quad core configurations, runs on televisions, large 30 inch displays with 2560x1600, 4K monitors whatever you like.
It is the cheapest mac, and the computer with the lowest TCO and the highest resale value. Easy math.

Oh, and shut up about GPU's.
 
If anything the tablet market might bring back a vibrant desktop market. In my case, and it has been similar for some friends and family, the tablet is so much more convenient than any laptop for the simple tasks we formerly justified the laptop over having a desktop for. Reading email, light surfing, and even some entertainment.

When I want to do serious work or play nothing beats a 27inch system with the power to do what I want.

I never saw it that way ... but it could work...
 
I just have the best computer ever made: the macmini. As easy to carry around as a MacbookAir, as powerful as the BTO iMac's and MacPro's with normal quad core configurations, runs on televisions, large 30 inch displays with 2560x1600, 4K monitors whatever you like.
It is the cheapest mac, and the computer with the lowest TCO and the highest resale value. Easy math.

Oh, and shut up about GPU's.

It's the GPU that makes me upgrade my iMac every 2 years... And I seriously doubt about the onboard gpu driving a 4K display let alone 80% of the modern games or any graphics demanding software.
 
I just have the best computer ever made: the macmini. As easy to carry around as a MacbookAir, as powerful as the BTO iMac's and MacPro's with normal quad core configurations, runs on televisions, large 30 inch displays with 2560x1600, 4K monitors whatever you like.
It is the cheapest mac, and the computer with the lowest TCO and the highest resale value. Easy math.

Oh, and shut up about GPU's.

It's the dGPU absence on Mac Mini that keeps me from buying one. Yeah you may plug a 4K monitor on it for what? Viewing at your desktop background? Or playing iTunes? iWork? Because apparently that's what Mac Mini could do on a 4K display. No 3D rendering, no video editing, no CAD let alone intense gaming.

That's one expensive way to flush $700 to the toilet. Might as well get a $2000 computer which actually capable of do things on 4K.
 
It's the dGPU absence on Mac Mini that keeps me from buying one. Yeah you may plug a 4K monitor on it for what? Viewing at your desktop background? Or playing iTunes? iWork? Because apparently that's what Mac Mini could do on a 4K display. No 3D rendering, no video editing, no CAD let alone intense gaming.

That's one expensive way to flush $700 to the toilet. Might as well get a $2000 computer which actually capable of do things on 4K.

Yep... If I were to describe the mac mini, the first thing that'd come to my mind is a laptop without a display.
 
I just have the best computer ever made: the macmini. As easy to carry around as a MacbookAir, as powerful as the BTO iMac's and MacPro's with normal quad core configurations, runs on televisions, large 30 inch displays with 2560x1600, 4K monitors whatever you like.
It is the cheapest mac, and the computer with the lowest TCO and the highest resale value. Easy math.

Oh, and shut up about GPU's.

1. As powerful as the Mac Pro in quad core configuration? No.
2. As powerful as the iMac in BTO configuration? No.
3. Runs on televisions - like the other Macs?
4. Driving 4K displays? Sure but you can't do much on it that is the least amount of demanding.
5. Cheapest Mac, yep. But you get what you pay for, pay less - receive less.
6. Shut up about GPUs? Maybe GPUs aren't important to you but to many, they are. Mac Mini doesn't have a dedicated GPU which puts it at a *serious* disadvantage compared to the other stationary Macs. It's even worse than the 15" rMBP which is truly a portable system compared to the Mac Mini.

Bottom line - Mac Mini is fine for those who doesn't need a GPU nor a very powerful system to help them with more demanding tasks than just browsing the web or reading emails or the likes. But the best Mac? Not by a long shot.
 
First I need a desktop machine so I bought the iMac because :

- Best all in one PC in its range
- Silent Machine for a bedroom
- Very fast ( upper specs )
- Stunning screen
- Great design
- Top notch build quality
- Can dual boot ( OSX and Bootcamp )
- Online and hotline support
- Excellent resell value ( double point )
- Can run any game ( COD, BF4,etc.. ) if you are a serious gamer
- Extended warranty

And the list is endless...

Edit: Touch devices will never replace desktops. I have yet to image someone working with CAD or any other professional suit on a touch screen.

Touch devices are cool if you need to browse the internet, read/edit documents/emails, listen to music or watch movies. I'd rather be concerned about the laptop vs tablets in the near future.


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