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self preservation?? explain how you mean.

if your after good, quality relationships you need to change. being yourself is good and all, but pushing away the possible girl of your dreams because you dont like one little thing she makes you do isnt really worth it. a relationship is about change and understanding.

i guess that means its two way though too, so therefore it could be the girl that is making the mistakes - therefore she mightnt be the girl of your dreams.. therefore i was right about you not meeting the 'perfect' girl for you
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Not a lot to explain. I have huge issues not necessary mentioning in detail. So naturally, my relationships are very unstable and quite often short-lived. Incidently, that's the exact opposite of what I actually want.
 
Relationship advice threads are always a hoot to read. Based on the majority of the advice generally given, they also explain why most people are actually pretty bad at relationships. :D

I hear that. The one thing I've learned about relationship advice is not to give any.

Every once in a while, I'll tell a really close buddy that he's out of his motherf***ing mind if he's about to something REALLY stupid, but that's about it.
 
There's is one way to get out of the friendzone although it might not actually get you the girl. Flirt with her...and not the harmless type either but rather the one that makes your interest apparent. She'll never look at you the same way again for better or worse
 
There's is one way to get out of the friendzone although it might actually get you the girl. Flirt with her...and not the harmless type either but rather the one that makes you're interest apparent. She'll never look at you the same way again for better or worse

I already gave a much more reliable method for escaping the friend zone. My way was also much funnier (at least to me).

It will take some work but it is possible.

First come out to her as gay....


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god I give good advice
 
... do I always end up as a girl's friend, rather than a girl's boyfriend...?

Sigh...

Broken down, it's all in the verbal/non-verbal interaction that you have with one another.

Verbal is easy: it's all in what you say and how you say it. You need conversation to find out more about the other person, and to determine if there's interest. Can you two keep a steady conversation? Is there a feeling that you two are clicking by what's generate from the conversation and each others responses to it? Most women appreciate a guy with a sense of humor, and one who can carry on a *normal* conversation (i say it that way because normal is relative).

Are you properly saying/conveying exactly how you feel? More often than not women are, or pretend to be, unaware of how you feel until you say it directly, or do something to show it. I say "pretend to be", because, while they may know how you feel, most of the time they're not going to put themselves out there unless they're very certain you feel the same way, others use as it as an excuse to hide behind.

Non-verbal can be more complicated. It's something you should look to do, and be mindful of in the other person. Subtle touching, eye contact, the way each other position themselves, etc.. and each others responses to that.

In my experience (I'm a self confessed former man-whore, not by choice mind you, I'm just a good guy :) ) most women want a man who is confident (not ego) and is secure in himself (does not mean: macho) to go after what he wants. Hinting around, being shy about it, drawing things out... that's what usually gets you to the friend zone. Don't feel like you have to do those things if you feel there's interest. Be honest about it, and don't feel like you need her to give blatantly obvious signs of being interested before you make a move. You're asking her out on a date, not to get married.

Also, don't feel bad about being shot down, unless of course you're a jerk. I say jerk, because it's a condition that tends to be very hard to correct, and is something you must be fully aware of in order to fix.

If you're genuinely a good person, but tend to have a hard time approaching people, outwardly showing/saying how you feel, carrying a conversation, feelings of nervousness, etc.. most of those are things that can be resolved by simply talking to more women, not putting pressure on yourself, and being ok with rejection (this doesn't mean walking into a situation thinking "Well, gonna get shot down again").


Cliffs:

- show interest through verbal/non-verbal ways, but don't be coy about it.
- there's pleny of women, talk to them.
- don't worry about being rejected.
 
I hear that. The one thing I've learned about relationship advice is not to give any.

Every once in a while, I'll tell a really close buddy that he's out of his motherf***ing mind if he's about to something REALLY stupid, but that's about it.

Same here, something really stupid as "Hey you should ask to do her" or "Go for it"
 
... do I always end up as a girl's friend, rather than a girl's boyfriend...?

Sigh...

Don't sweat it sport. We've all been there once or twice...sooner rather than later you'll be beating them off with a stick...hopefully.
 
There's is one way to get out of the friendzone although it might actually get you the girl. Flirt with her...and not the harmless type either but rather the one that makes you're interest apparent. She'll never look at you the same way again for better or worse

Great advice. Do this, and if she returns the flirting, you know your pretty safe to make a move.
 
Forget all those other posts. You need to read the ladder theory. Google it, learn it, live it.

Second, go to the bar, the mall, or whatever people your age do. Do NOT look for 'the one'. Hit on anything with a pulse that doesn't gross you out, shoot for 10 a day/night. Sooner or later, you'll hit on one! Quantity!
 
Forget all those other posts. You need to read the ladder theory. Google it, learn it, live it.

Second, go to the bar, the mall, or whatever people your age do. Do NOT look for 'the one'. Hit on anything with a pulse that doesn't gross you out, shoot for 10 a day/night. Sooner or later, you'll hit on one! Quantity!

Ho chasing
 
Sounds like someone should work out. Girls typically want to be "friends" with wimpy types.

Seriuosly, 2 months of weight training and eating right would do wonders. That would get you into shape, not muscle guy territory which is not where I want to be.
 
self preservation?? explain how you mean.

if your after good, quality relationships you need to change. being yourself is good and all, but pushing away the possible girl of your dreams because you dont like one little thing she makes you do isnt really worth it. a relationship is about change and understanding.

i guess that means its two way though too, so therefore it could be the girl that is making the mistakes - therefore she mightnt be the girl of your dreams.. therefore i was right about you not meeting the 'perfect' girl for you
;)

Maybe why I'm still alone? I refuse to change myself for anyone, either they accept me as I am or they can go to hell.

Actually probably has more to do with me being and ugly coward lol:p. Best of luck OP!
 
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