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May be this - for me successful - listing of steps for solution to my recent problem will help someone...
My 2017 15inch TB MBP started around 2 weeks ago loosing ~15% of battery power over night, while sleeping. It did not use to do it. My prior experience is, that this 2017 (and prior 2013 & 2009) 15 inch MBPs loose 0-3% of battery power over night while sleeping. My suspicion is, that 0-3% is about the precision of the value anyway.

System is on the latest Catalina (10.15.4) but this change did not coincide with the upgrade. It took me few days to go through various steps below, but problem was solved without any disruption to my use. Here are steps I did, so you can try them also, if needed.

1. Disabled wakeup by Bluetooth devices. (May be my mouse was waking it up?). No change.
2. Reset Catalina "energy saver" settings in System preferences GUI (or use "sudo pmset restoredefaults" in command line). May be power management setting got somehow corrupted? No change.
3. Used pmset command and checked various settings, nothing seemed to be obviously wrong (I have records to my prior pmset settings). No change.
4. Used pmset command to identify, if my computer is sleeping over night and when it is being woken up and why (pmset -g log immediately after waking up will display list of recent events). Logs showed, that computer was sleeping, awaken every ~2 hours or so and was active for ~20 seconds each time. This is correct behavior.
5. Interesting observation I made was, that my iStat Menus was recording each time computer woke up the battery levels and those were dropping in between the awake times. I lost 2-3 % of battery for every ~2 hours while system was sleeping (as pmset logs told me)... That pointed to SMC controller, since that is what controls behavior when system is sleeping.
6. Discharged battery to ~20% and recharged again. Cannot hurt to do this once in a while. No change.
7. Located Apple instructions for my computer to reset SMC and NVRAM (may vary slightly by computer type) and went through those steps. Interesting note - booting to recovery mode takes surprisingly long time... Problem solved. After overnight sleep, my battery stayed at ~100%.

Cannot guarantee this will help. May not, especially if the problem is with system or hardware. But it is listing of steps, based on this and other discussions, which can help identify problem and may be even provide solution. Starting from painless steps and going towards more painful. Command pmset in Terminal.app is extremely useful, use command "man pmset" in Terminal.app to get manual.
My next step would be reinstall system in place and if that would not help, then take it to Genius bar. In my case it is easy, I have Apple care so let Apple deal with complicated issues.
 
May be this - for me successful - listing of steps for solution to my recent problem will help someone...
My 2017 15inch TB MBP started around 2 weeks ago loosing ~15% of battery power over night, while sleeping. It did not use to do it. My prior experience is, that this 2017 (and prior 2013 & 2009) 15 inch MBPs loose 0-3% of battery power over night while sleeping. My suspicion is, that 0-3% is about the precision of the value anyway.

System is on the latest Catalina (10.15.4) but this change did not coincide with the upgrade. It took me few days to go through various steps below, but problem was solved without any disruption to my use. Here are steps I did, so you can try them also, if needed.

1. Disabled wakeup by Bluetooth devices. (May be my mouse was waking it up?). No change.
2. Reset Catalina "energy saver" settings in System preferences GUI (or use "sudo pmset restoredefaults" in command line). May be power management setting got somehow corrupted? No change.
3. Used pmset command and checked various settings, nothing seemed to be obviously wrong (I have records to my prior pmset settings). No change.
4. Used pmset command to identify, if my computer is sleeping over night and when it is being woken up and why (pmset -g log immediately after waking up will display list of recent events). Logs showed, that computer was sleeping, awaken every ~2 hours or so and was active for ~20 seconds each time. This is correct behavior.
5. Interesting observation I made was, that my iStat Menus was recording each time computer woke up the battery levels and those were dropping in between the awake times. I lost 2-3 % of battery for every ~2 hours while system was sleeping (as pmset logs told me)... That pointed to SMC controller, since that is what controls behavior when system is sleeping.
6. Discharged battery to ~20% and recharged again. Cannot hurt to do this once in a while. No change.
7. Located Apple instructions for my computer to reset SMC and NVRAM (may vary slightly by computer type) and went through those steps. Interesting note - booting to recovery mode takes surprisingly long time... Problem solved. After overnight sleep, my battery stayed at ~100%.

Cannot guarantee this will help. May not, especially if the problem is with system or hardware. But it is listing of steps, based on this and other discussions, which can help identify problem and may be even provide solution. Starting from painless steps and going towards more painful. Command pmset in Terminal.app is extremely useful, use command "man pmset" in Terminal.app to get manual.
My next step would be reinstall system in place and if that would not help, then take it to Genius bar. In my case it is easy, I have Apple care so let Apple deal with complicated issues.
To be clear, are you saying that what fixed it was;
  1. SMCr
  2. SMCr + NVRAMr
  3. SMCr + NVRAMr + Reboot into recovery
 
In order to do SMCr or NVARMr, I needed to boot in recovery and remove firmware password. And of course, after succesful resets I needed to boot back and installl firmware password.
If you do not use firmware password, you should not need to boot in recovery. Boot in recovery should have no impact on this.
 
Any recent news? It looks like the new OS (in beta) is bringing back column view using the column header (not an antiquated drop-down menu), so I thought maybe someone tested it for battery drain during sleep mode.
 
My prior experience is, that this 2017 (and prior 2013 & 2009) 15 inch MBPs loose 0-3%
I have a late 2013 15-MBP. Original battery. For the first several years no overnight loss. In fact, I could put it in a drawer (just closing the lid, so sleep) and go on vacation for 2 weeks, and it was still 100%.
Now, not surprisingly, at least to me, *some* nights it loses 1-4 points. On as many nights, it still reads 100% when I wake it up in the morning. When I plug in the charger it tops it up for a minute or two.
I've been reading up on how to replace the battery (659 cycles, 6+ years old).
 
I'm not sure how some peoples manage to keep these in sleep mode without much battery drain. My MBP 13 2019" loses around 1% per 24 hours when it is POWERED OFF completely! I just kept mine powered off for 18 days and during that battery went down from 74% 58,4%, so even in longer period of time it was about 0.86% per 24 hours, so it is not just initial drop and measurement precision difference.

When measuring these drains, battery should be well below 100% because if you use MacOS standard battery level meter, it actually goes down to 5-6% before dropping to 99%, you can verify that using CoconutBattery or similar that shows actual charge level.
 
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Has anyone on this thread loaded Big Sur OS and have you seen any appreciable gain in sleep battery life (drain)?

- Thank you
 
Has anyone on this thread loaded Big Sur OS and have you seen any appreciable gain in sleep battery life (drain)?

- Thank you
I'd love to try it, but one of the developers that has made it extremely easy (dosdude) to load all of the unsupported OS's since High Seira is taking a break and not developing a tool for Big Sur, so Catalina is most likely the OS my old 2011 MBP will die with. The other methods of loading Big Sur are too complicated and have too many steps for me to undertake.
 
OP:
I asked this in another thread, and I'll suggest it again.

If...
"It just sucks taking my machine out of my bag after a few days to find it dead..."

Then...
Why don't you just power it off BEFORE you put it into the bag, and reboot when you take it out?
What would you really be losing by doing this?
Way to NOT help one bit. I take it your the guy that just turns the water off to the entire house from one leak. I'd be losing a couple of minutes of my life every time I need to be off the power adapter. Maybe your time isn't valuable, but mine is and I don't need to lose it to stupid crap that the device shouldn't do when working properly.

FWIW, to the rest of the folks here:


That's what being helpful looks like, Fishrrman.
 
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All "sleeping" electronics draw power in "sleep" mode. iPhones, iPods, instant on TV’s, DVD players, cable boxes, modems, etc.
Unless the device is powered "off", it’s generally drawing some power. This has been known and noted for years and was widely brought to light by electric companies as customers started complying about higher electricity costs when they started buying there types of electronics.
 
All "sleeping" electronics draw power in "sleep" mode. iPhones, iPods, instant on TV’s, DVD players, cable boxes, modems, etc.
Unless the device is powered "off", it’s generally drawing some power. This has been known and noted for years and was widely brought to light by electric companies as customers started complying about higher electricity costs when they started buying there types of electronics.
Not sure if the point you’re trying to make.
 
Issue still exists. :(


I reset the printing system, and the SMC. Turned off Power Nap.

On with Apple Support to see what the fix is.

If your problem is HIDD keeping it from sleeping, then read up here: https://www.howtogeek.com/310378/what-is-hidd-and-why-is-it-running-on-my-mac/
It is human interface device daemon, it is communication with mouse, keyboard and ANY other input devices. Some people found out, that when they throw in their bag computer and BT mouse (which is on) the mouse keeps waking computer, ending in dead battery (for both eventually). It can be keyboard which keys get accidentally pushed, it could be malfunctioning device which for some reason keep communicating with computer even though it should not. HIDD is important since without it you will not be talking to the computer, so killing it and disabling it is really bad idea. But any device HIDD communicates with can be keeping computer up and discharging batteries - and this is by design. You would be surprised how many of us today do not even realize, that some devices are more or less permanently on (AirPods Max anyone?) and that it can be a problem.
 
Hi everyone. are we still having problems? I read this entire thread yesterday and basically turned EVERYTHING off. I had already done a full disk wipe and fresh reinstall of Big Sur, as I was having the overnight phantom battery drain we are all speaking of.
Anyway, overnight I only lost 3% so I'm chalking this up as a win. Below are my settings... from pmset -g

System-wide power settings:
Currently in use:
standbydelaylow 300
standby 1
halfdim 0
hibernatefile /var/vm/sleepimage
powernap 0
gpuswitch 2
disksleep 10
standbydelayhigh 400
sleep 1
autopoweroffdelay 600
hibernatemode 25
autopoweroff 1
ttyskeepawake 0
displaysleep 2
highstandbythreshold 50
acwake 0
lidwake 1

This is with nothing but a base install plus Magnet and Alfred. I'll post again if this joy is maintained.

EDIT. MBP 13" 2014
 
Hi everyone. are we still having problems? I read this entire thread yesterday and basically turned EVERYTHING off. I had already done a full disk wipe and fresh reinstall of Big Sur, as I was having the overnight phantom battery drain we are all speaking of.
Anyway, overnight I only lost 3% so I'm chalking this up as a win. Below are my settings... from pmset -g

System-wide power settings:
Currently in use:
standbydelaylow 300
standby 1
halfdim 0
hibernatefile /var/vm/sleepimage
powernap 0
gpuswitch 2
disksleep 10
standbydelayhigh 400
sleep 1
autopoweroffdelay 600
hibernatemode 25
autopoweroff 1
ttyskeepawake 0
displaysleep 2
highstandbythreshold 50
acwake 0
lidwake 1

This is with nothing but a base install plus Magnet and Alfred. I'll post again if this joy is maintained.

EDIT. MBP 13" 2014
Nice work, please keep us posted. I gave up a few years ago and I am pretty sure I tried everything in your configuration, but it's been a while. So if it sticks, I will copy and paste these settings for sure.
 
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Nice work, please keep us posted. I gave up a few years ago and I am pretty sure I tried everything in your configuration, but it's been a while. So if it sticks, I will copy and paste these settings for sure.
Agreed, please set a reminder in your calendar and advise in 7-10 days. Thank you.
 
Agreed, please set a reminder in your calendar and advise in 7-10 days. Thank you.

Well, I'm back early as this is pretty conclusive at least for me:

Tues 9pm. All programs off. 45% lid shut
Wed 8am. 44% lid open.
Wed 10pm. Charged during day. All programs off. 100% lid shut (power cable out)
Thurs 9:30am. Still 100%. Shut lid again after few minutes
Thurs 6pm. 98%. Just checking.n.
Thurs 9pm. 98%
Thurs 10pm. Programs off, lid shut 84%
Fri 8am. Open on 84%.


I'm in my happy place now. Check a few posts up for my pmset data. I will cautiously start reinstalling some programs with a few days between and let you know if it all goes wrong again. I hope others can report similar success.
 
Well, I'm back early as this is pretty conclusive at least for me:

Tues 9pm. All programs off. 45% lid shut
Wed 8am. 44% lid open.
Wed 10pm. Charged during day. All programs off. 100% lid shut (power cable out)
Thurs 9:30am. Still 100%. Shut lid again after few minutes
Thurs 6pm. 98%. Just checking.n.
Thurs 9pm. 98%
Thurs 10pm. Programs off, lid shut 84%
Fri 8am. Open on 84%.


I'm in my happy place now. Check a few posts up for my pmset data. I will cautiously start reinstalling some programs with a few days between and let you know if it all goes wrong again. I hope others can report similar success.
New update. This is still working for me. I just re-opened my lid and still had 100% remaining after being left off charge overnight. MPB Retina 2014 2.6GHz i5

pmset -g:

System-wide power settings:
Currently in use:
standbydelaylow 300
standby 1
halfdim 0
hibernatefile /var/vm/sleepimage
powernap 0
gpuswitch 2
disksleep 10
standbydelayhigh 400
sleep 1
autopoweroffdelay 600
hibernatemode 25
autopoweroff 1
ttyskeepawake 0
displaysleep 2
highstandbythreshold 50
acwake 0
lidwake 1

I have still only reinstalled just the Microsoft 365 suite, Alfred, Magnet and Teams, and disabled auto-updates but left most other things on (I think). I hope this helps some others searching here.
Chris
 
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