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It is a game, like a lot of others. Not sure why it's classed that way, but it's easy to see why in terms of how we refer to it:

"Anyone for a game of cricket?"
"Anyone for a game of football?"
"Anyone for a game of golf?"

c.f.

"Anyone for a game of running?"

Doesn't quite work, does it?

"Anyone for a game of baseball?"
"Anyone for a game of hockey?"
"Anyone for a game of soccer?"
etc.

Golf is a sport.

Tiger Woods would kick your ass in any sport on this planet.
Spoken like a true fanboy.

I doubt anyone on here could even come close to beating Tiger Woods at a sport. Tiger is one of the most mentally and physically strong people on earth.


I don't really get people on this. Golf is a sport.
A sport, by definition, is an activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment
A golf swing requires 1/3 of your body muscles.

Golf is a sport. Poker, on the other hand, isn't, although some seem to believe it is. :confused:
 
Clearly you don't know what athleticism is, if you think it only entails physical strength and mental toughness. Strength, agility, flexibility, endurance and stamina is some of what separates athletes from the rest of the population. Of those characteristics, how many of them can you honestly say a golfer possesses? True athletes are elite physical & mental specimens, and to lump golfers in with them is insulting.

While some golfers may be great athletes on the side, they don't have to demonstrate much of it on the golf course.

... and the golf cart/caddy definitely doesn't help them in this argument. :D

Ok, well I can tell you that top golfers posses strenght, agility, flexibility, endurance, and stamina. You clearly have never been good golfer.

Strength: can you hit a golfball 330 yards, consistently? No. Professional golfers do it all the time. They swing the golf club in excess of 120 mph, you're telling me that it doesn't take upper body strength to do this and leg strength to stay anchored in a sound position to make solid connection and hit the ball that far? You think what you want on that front, but I'll tell you, even with my club head speed of about 105 mph, I sometimes have trouble staying stable.

Agility: Golf takes this too. Ever hear a camera click in the middle of your down swing and been able to stop? The answer is no. Tiger can do it. I golfswing happens in a very short period of time, being able to stop yourself is practically impossible, but professional golfers have the ability to do it. Ever know you were going to hit a bad shot at the top of your swing? I have, and I can tell you, I'm so agile that I can save that shot at make it turn out decent instead of horrible. That's part of what seperates a weekend golfer from a par golfer, Tiger does it all the time, thats why he wins, he can adjust himself so that when he's feels like he's going to miss at the top of his swing he can make the shot turnout alright.

Flexibility: Maybe you don't understand how much shoulder turn, hip turn, leg plant, etc, are required to hit a good golf shot consistently. I guarantee to you that I have as much or more upper body flexibilty as any other athelete. A good shoulder turn in golf is almost 90 degrees with your feet and hips staying in almost the same position they started in, it's hard to say the least, and even after years of playing and instruction I still haven't even come close to mastering it.

Endurance/stamina: Good golfers posses it both mentally and physically. Every tried walking 36 holes of match play golf ("one on one") in one day? Probably not, its grueling. It takes a lot of stamina to stay focused and to stay in the moment. It can equate to ten walking miles that takes 12 hours with a 30 pound bag of sticks on your back. I challenge you to do it, you'd be tired as hell by the time it was over. Sure, it probably doesn't take as much stamina as playing a 90 minute soccer match, but mentally, you'd better have a lot of stamina if you want to endure it and come out with the win. Also, ask any college golfer how they feel after 36 holes the first day of every tournament, they are generally very fit, I guarantee you they are quite tired. It takes tons of stamina to make it 36 holes, I've done it, I've also run cross country for 3 mile races and played water polo, 36 holes is definitely harder.


Many professional golfers are elite specimens (especially younger ones), to deny it is insulting.

In college, amateur, high school, and junior competitive golf the athletes don't get to ride in carts, although at the amateur level they do have caddies in many events. I rarely rode in a cart and I still rarely do it, I play better when I walk.
 
Many professional golfers are elite specimens (especially younger ones), to deny it is insulting.
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Ok, don't make me get photos of Rich Garces and any number of football linemen to counter this argument. Golfers are athletes, plain and simple. Heck, even JD there is probably more flexible than you. :p

What the heck, I couldn't resist:
 

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<John Daly>

I knew someone would bring him up. He is not a younger player and he really isn't even an elite player anymore (he's ranked 592 in the world and I don't believe he actually has a PGA Tour Card anymore). I've actually met him on the driving range at Riviera Country Club, and he's an interesting guy, he's pretty flexible for someone of his girth. There are a few in golf that are rather heavy (with Daly being the largest), but for the most part your average professional golfer (again, especially the younger ones) is very fit and quite strong. Ever since Tiger hit the tour the focus among many PGA Professionals and good amateurs has been fitness. Core strength and leg strength are both huge keys to being a top golfer. Arm strength really isn't the way to go, too much muscle up there takes away from your flexibility and will inhibit your shoulder turn.
 
He said many, not all, clearly John Daly is an exception. ;)

his bio, at least the one on tv, is interesting

he was actually really fit in his prime and if anything, no matter how bad his physical body gets from the years he abused it with alcohol, he has the experience to likely kick any of our butts when he, or anybody (that is/was a touring pga pro) that is so-called fat or wracked by a chemical addiction, is 80 years old

i think his downfall was interesting for people to watch in a sad car wreck type of way, but in most cases whatever one does to their body usually shouldn't affect their judgement and experience when it comes to the all important short game

i can't tell you how many times i see young golfers hit the ball very far, but way off course, while i see some older guys hit less far but far more accurately and at the end of the day, guess who wins?
 
i can't tell you how many times i see young golfers hit the ball very far, but way off course, while i see some older guys hit less far but far more accurately and at the end of the day, guess who wins?

Totally true, I spent years trying to hit the ball straight and far, still miss plenty of fairways. Its all about the short game and putting, especially in the single digit handicaps, the only way to get better is to practice so you can get up and down when you make a mistake, definitely wish I spent more time hitting chip shots and putting, than hitting my driver on the range.
 
Totally true, I spent years trying to hit the ball straight and far, still miss plenty of fairways. Its all about the short game and putting, especially in the single digit handicaps, the only way to get better is to practice so you can get up and down when you make a mistake, definitely wish I spent more time hitting chip shots and putting, than hitting my driver on the range.

you know what is interesting is all the stuff i see on the net talks about jd's great 314 yd. average, which is impressive, but he really was able to work the short game to win all those tournaments at the end of the day

i would like to see him, or any player in their mid-40s or older, go take on tiger on the short game when tiger is getting down on himself...i think it's actually possible

as good as i think tiger is, and probably the best ever, any one of those major tournament winners, or runner ups in their 40s can snatch it from tiger and do it on the short game

maybe one day tiger will get old, he he, and maybe fat, but he will possibly only get better and beat young ones due to his short game, when it is in the zone

i wish more people would pay attention to the short game even though it does not usually play that well on tv, and comedians have a field day with all that whispering mic stuff :)
 
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