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I LOVE the touchbar
Literally use it 100x per day.
But the software I use has adapted to it and it will be seriously missed in the workflow when it’s gone.
The F keys were always useless to me. They are a relic.
The funny part is most people are in the “I hate it because I never use it” camp. That’s such a strange mentality to me.
…just because I have never used the cupholders in my car doesn’t mean I think everyone should lose them. I mean it’s “just another thing to break” right?

One man's "useless" "relic" is another man's tool.

I grew weary of accidentally brushing the Touch Bar and triggering an app or action... to me, it's a gimmick... agree to disagree...

There's also the issue of a consistent user interface... on a desktop (iMac or Mini) with a Magic Keyboard, the TB is not (and likely will never be) a thing due to the Secure Enclave issues and the lack of a way currently to ensure the security... so switching back and forth between an MBP with the TB and a desktop without the TB is a logistical nightmare for some - including me.

I'm enjoying my M1 MBA with no TB.
 
Wow. Don't give up your day job. Predicting what Apple will do is NOT your strong suit.

Ummm, ok? I won't. That's why I have google. If the rumors are wrong, I've missed out on a feature that I (or apple as it seems) didn't really care about to begin with.
 
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I’m a huge fan of the Touch Bar. For my uses it adds a great deal of functionality, where I seldom use the function keys on my macs that aren’t equipped with it.

My wife just upgraded to an M1 MBP from an Intel MacBook Air. As soon as she used it for a bit, she started singing the Touch Bar’s praises. From scrolling through slides on a presentation to controlling Zoom settings, she’s a fan. she’s a regular user, not the kind of person to post on a tech forum. I’d bet that there a lots of other users out there who’ve had the same experience.
 
I’m a huge fan of the Touch Bar. For my uses it adds a great deal of functionality, where I seldom use the function keys on my macs that aren’t equipped with it.

My wife just upgraded to an M1 MBP from an Intel MacBook Air. As soon as she used it for a bit, she started singing the Touch Bar’s praises. From scrolling through slides on a presentation to controlling Zoom settings, she’s a fan. she’s a regular user, not the kind of person to post on a tech forum. I’d bet that there a lots of other users out there who’ve had the same experience.
Amen brother! I feel the same way. Obviously you and your wife gets it. What's interesting is many on this forum say the TB is useless but 9 out of 10 of my most used 3rd party (non-Apple) applications have been coded with the TB in mind offering full functions including my game emulator which I didn't even expect them to code for the TB.
 
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I didn't hate it at start, but I soon learned to fear it.

It would often freeze and bug out, and you could accidentally touch it triggering something. This sucked because when I rest my hand, the tips of a few of my fingers touch the function keys, I couldn't do that with the tb activated all the time so I had to be vigilant to not touch it by accident.

Also I do use the function keys all the time, they are genuinely useful and needed for what I do, so for me the tb was more like replacing an entire row of keys and making you type on a piece of paper. Ultimately it was a terrible awful gimmick that made my life harder because I couldn't even ignore it.
 
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I don’t hate it, well I do, but only because it replaces physical keys. If it were in addition to the function keys, I’d absolutely love it.

But, and this is just me, it’s no substitute for keys I can press, to adjust volume, play, pause, whatever, without having to look down at the keyboard. Or worse, look down at the keyboard, then open a menu, then adjust volume. When you’ve been used to them being there for so long as they have. For them to disappear and be replaced by something more cumbersome to use is a shock to the system. One I don’t want to experience.

I did like many aspects of the TouchBar when I had one. It had some genuinely useful features and I could see it being amazing. But just not as a complete replacement for physical function keys. Which is why I punted the MacBook.
 
...Or worse, look down at the keyboard, then open a menu, then adjust volume.

When TB displays three volume buttons you tap them just like you normally would.

When TB displays a single volume button you press, hold for a sec, and move your finger to the left or right to adjust the volume. No menu required.
 
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When TB displays three volume buttons you tap them just like you normally would.

When TB displays a single volume button you press, hold for a sec, and move your finger to the left or right to adjust the volume. No menu required.

I consider having to hold a button down to open a slider to adjust volume, the equivalent of opening a menu. The fact that it even changes is equivalent to expanding a menu as far as I’m concerned. It does not reliably and consistently display those three buttons.

I’ll grant you, it may be different since I had mine. But I have very vivid memories of forever having to tap a little white button on the right, to expand out to what I wanted.

I understand people like the TB, they are welcome to do so and I’m not arguing against their right to do so.

Just stating my own opinion from the six months I spent trying to get used to the thing. It’s no replacement, as far as I’m concerned, for a key which you don’t have to take your eyes of the screen to find.

Maybe muscle memory would eventually build up for areas of the TB. Though I doubt I’d ever be confident enough to hit any one of three grouped buttons on the TB with any degree of accuracy, if they happened to be displayed at that point. Which I’d have to look and check first, again defeating the purpose of quick-access transport, volume and brightness.

There are 10 keys I use regularly, every day with my MacBook. Those 10 are not constantly on the TB. Even if I forced them to be there, I’d have to get rid of them to take advantage of other TB functions.

So it’s not for me. As much as other people like it, I dislike it and just wish they’d added it without sacrificing physical keys.
 
I consider having to hold a button down to open a slider to adjust volume, the equivalent of opening a menu. The fact that it even changes is equivalent to expanding a menu as far as I’m concerned. It does not reliably and consistently display those three buttons.

I’ll grant you, it may be different since I had mine. But I have very vivid memories of forever having to tap a little white button on the right, to expand out to what I wanted.

I understand people like the TB, they are welcome to do so and I’m not arguing against their right to do so.

Just stating my own opinion from the six months I spent trying to get used to the thing. It’s no replacement, as far as I’m concerned, for a key which you don’t have to take your eyes of the screen to find.

Maybe muscle memory would eventually build up for areas of the TB. Though I doubt I’d ever be confident enough to hit any one of three grouped buttons on the TB with any degree of accuracy, if they happened to be displayed at that point. Which I’d have to look and check first, again defeating the purpose of quick-access transport, volume and brightness.

There are 10 keys I use regularly, every day with my MacBook. Those 10 are not constantly on the TB. Even if I forced them to be there, I’d have to get rid of them to take advantage of other TB functions.

So it’s not for me. As much as other people like it, I dislike it and just wish they’d added it without sacrificing physical keys.

The touchbar will be eternally debated in these forums. For every 10 people that dislike it, there is going to be that 1 that likes it and feels compelled to make a post about it again.

The same pros and cons have been listed in every one of these threads. Anecdotally, the cons outweigh the pros greatly
 
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The touchbar will be eternally debated in these forums. For every 10 people that dislike it, there is going to be that 1 that likes it and feels compelled to make a post about it again.

The same pros and cons have been listed in every one of these threads. Anecdotally, the cons outweigh the pros greatly

Oh there’s no doubt the debate on it will continue. But, it’s a shame in a way that they are (apparently) abandoning it.

It really does have its uses and although I personally dislike it. Well, again, it’s a love hate, I suppose really, I don’t dislike the actual TouchBar at all. What I dislike is that they saw fit to remove perfectly good physical keys when they added it.

As far as I’m concerned that was their biggest mistake. I’d wager that far more of the people who dislike it would find use for it, or at the very least be indifferent about it, had they added the TouchBar above the row of function keys.

But what can you do. We can whinge and moan here until we’re blue in the face and our ears fall off, it makes no difference in the end.
 
When TB displays three volume buttons you tap them just like you normally would.

When TB displays a single volume button you press, hold for a sec, and move your finger to the left or right to adjust the volume. No menu required.
The advantage of physical buttons is that you can operate by touch and muscle memory... with the touch interface, it requires you to be looking at the keyboard for exact location... IMO, it's a gimmick that is more trouble than it's worth.
 
The advantage of physical buttons is that you can operate by touch and muscle memory... with the touch interface, it requires you to be looking at the keyboard for exact location... IMO, it's a gimmick that is more trouble than it's worth.
I understand that, but the disadvantage is that the keys are unchangeable in function. So while my 2014 MBP has two keys I never use, the M1 Air has four keys I would never use. Combine that with the fact that I almost never adjust the key backlighting so I would prefer it to be a single on/off toggle which means that my current computer has three keys I want to change and the new M1 Air has five.

Besides I never touch-type the function key row so that benefit is lost on me.
 
Here's my problem with it, after using my first TB Mac, an M1, for a little over a month:

1. At first, I was frequently unintentionally brushing it and doing unintended things. This has gotten better, but it still happens. One of the best things I did was figuring out how to customize it, removing the Siri button completely(which I don't use on Macs-it's a great tool on my phone but I don't want to talk to my computer) and having the mute button fall in that spot.

2. Along those same lines, if my fingers land on a physical key that they're not supposed to, I can TELL and just landing on a key doesn't mean I'm going to press it. On the touch bar, if I end up there, whatever I touch is going to happen

3. Further to that, stuff on the TB moves around enough enough in context, which is theoretically a great benefit, but means that I've basically developed no muscle memory for what's where(plus no tactile clues about location).

4. Building on that, it's rare that i look at the keyboard when I'm using it. That was something hammered into me when I was taught typing in elementary school, but it's really most efficient if you actually are able to touch type. Using the touchbar runs counter to that-it requires me to take my eyes off the screen and look at the keyboard(see the above about muscle memory, no physical cues, etc).

Basically, on the whole in day to use I find it runs counter to how I use my computer and makes me less efficient. There are SOME handy tools-i.e. I toggle on DND periodically throughout the day and have that button there. Still, though, other things take more time than they do with physical function keys. If I want to change the volume, I have to hit the volume button then adjust the slider. If I want to change the screen brightness, I have to expand the TB and then hit the screen brightness keys-in other words it makes things that I do semi-frequently more work.

Some of Apple's stuff to me is gimmicky-i.e. if I'm scrolling through photos in Photos, it's interesting to see the tiny little thumbnail on the TB, but practically they are so small as to be useless and the arrow keys are a lot more efficient for me. Adobe has never bothered to have Lightroom do something similar, but i wouldn't do it if it did because the arrow keys are so heavy on muscle memory and work so well even if simple. Scrolling through emojis? I don't really use them, but if you want a particular one the little pop-up in Messages shows a lot more at a time than the TB.

I don't consider the TB 100% bad contrary to the above. I do especially like it in apps that have taken the time to intelligently customize the toolbar. My go-to example is a program I use daily that I hadn't even heard of a little over a year ago-Zoom. I usually spend most of a Zoom meeting screen sharing, and it's hard for me to monitor the chat box which my students use semi often. The TB gives me a notification when someone posts, and I can pull it up directly from the TB. There are also handy things like global meeting controls, mute and unmute, and the like. Most programs haven't customized it to that level.

That's my take on it. I can see some limited continued use of it, but given the choice I'd rather have function keys, or at least mostly function keys and perhaps an even smaller TB area. BTW, I know I could have bought an M1 without a TB, but I wanted the better battery+lack of throttling thanks to the fan, and the touchbar comes with those.
 
I understand that, but the disadvantage is that the keys are unchangeable in function. So while my 2014 MBP has two keys I never use, the M1 Air has four keys I would never use. Combine that with the fact that I almost never adjust the key backlighting so I would prefer it to be a single on/off toggle which means that my current computer has three keys I want to change and the new M1 Air has five.

Besides I never touch-type the function key row so that benefit is lost on me.
You can remap keys...
 
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I understand that, but the disadvantage is that the keys are unchangeable in function. So while my 2014 MBP has two keys I never use, the M1 Air has four keys I would never use. Combine that with the fact that I almost never adjust the key backlighting so I would prefer it to be a single on/off toggle which means that my current computer has three keys I want to change and the new M1 Air has five.

Besides I never touch-type the function key row so that benefit is lost on me.

By default they are not changeable. There are many ways in which one can map a function to a specific key, making the ones you don’t use far more useful.

But again this is a good example of one feature of a product being more suited to some than others. As the famous quote by John Lydgate goes, “You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all of the people all of the time”.

Though when it comes to technology it’s more accurate to say, you can please some of the people some of the time. You can never please all of the people some of the time and you will never please all of the people any of the time. :D
 
Here's my problem with it, after using my first TB Mac, an M1, for a little over a month:

1. At first, I was frequently unintentionally brushing it and doing unintended things. This has gotten better, but it still happens. One of the best things I did was figuring out how to customize it, removing the Siri button completely(which I don't use on Macs-it's a great tool on my phone but I don't want to talk to my computer) and having the mute button fall in that spot.

2. Along those same lines, if my fingers land on a physical key that they're not supposed to, I can TELL and just landing on a key doesn't mean I'm going to press it. On the touch bar, if I end up there, whatever I touch is going to happen

3. Further to that, stuff on the TB moves around enough enough in context, which is theoretically a great benefit, but means that I've basically developed no muscle memory for what's where(plus no tactile clues about location).

4. Building on that, it's rare that i look at the keyboard when I'm using it. That was something hammered into me when I was taught typing in elementary school, but it's really most efficient if you actually are able to touch type. Using the touchbar runs counter to that-it requires me to take my eyes off the screen and look at the keyboard(see the above about muscle memory, no physical cues, etc).

Basically, on the whole in day to use I find it runs counter to how I use my computer and makes me less efficient. There are SOME handy tools-i.e. I toggle on DND periodically throughout the day and have that button there. Still, though, other things take more time than they do with physical function keys. If I want to change the volume, I have to hit the volume button then adjust the slider. If I want to change the screen brightness, I have to expand the TB and then hit the screen brightness keys-in other words it makes things that I do semi-frequently more work.

Some of Apple's stuff to me is gimmicky-i.e. if I'm scrolling through photos in Photos, it's interesting to see the tiny little thumbnail on the TB, but practically they are so small as to be useless and the arrow keys are a lot more efficient for me. Adobe has never bothered to have Lightroom do something similar, but i wouldn't do it if it did because the arrow keys are so heavy on muscle memory and work so well even if simple. Scrolling through emojis? I don't really use them, but if you want a particular one the little pop-up in Messages shows a lot more at a time than the TB.

I don't consider the TB 100% bad contrary to the above. I do especially like it in apps that have taken the time to intelligently customize the toolbar. My go-to example is a program I use daily that I hadn't even heard of a little over a year ago-Zoom. I usually spend most of a Zoom meeting screen sharing, and it's hard for me to monitor the chat box which my students use semi often. The TB gives me a notification when someone posts, and I can pull it up directly from the TB. There are also handy things like global meeting controls, mute and unmute, and the like. Most programs haven't customized it to that level.

That's my take on it. I can see some limited continued use of it, but given the choice I'd rather have function keys, or at least mostly function keys and perhaps an even smaller TB area. BTW, I know I could have bought an M1 without a TB, but I wanted the better battery+lack of throttling thanks to the fan, and the touchbar comes with those.

You are more accommodating than myself. I specifically would not purchase the MacBook Pro M1 because of the TB. I’d rather take the chance of throttling with the Air, which to be fair has been a wee powerhouse so far, performing significantly better than any Mac I’ve ever owned. Which still blows my mind.
 
Though when it comes to technology it’s more accurate to say, you can please some of the people some of the time. You can never please all of the people some of the time and you will never please all of the people any of the time. :D
You ought to publish that somewhere. I think it fits the times far more than the original quote.
 
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I finally got my first MBP with it and have found it to be useful, I like how it adapts to whatever app I'm using and throws up all the auto correct when I'm typing. Also the volume and other system shortcuts have really come in handy, I would say my most used is the screenshot.
 
I actually like it it but got myself a 4k monitor for Christmas and haven't had my MBP open since. Surprisingly to me I haven't even missed the Touch Bar ! Been enjoying the 24" monitor way more!!
 
I'm only just over a week with my first MacBook Pro with a Touch Bar (M1 MacBook Pro 8gb, 512gb SSD.... LOVE IT!) and I'm not getting why people hate it. It seems like a great way to utilize the function space based upon what you're doing. Other than not using it a ton yet, I don't see why people would hate it. Is it a big deal that there aren't physical keys in the function row?
Good question. It sure does seem to divide people. I had on on my 16" MBP and liked it. Being able to make infinite adjustments to the volume and screen brightness was great. I miss this on my M1 Air that has the old fixed settings. Also, the touchbar displays tiny previews of slides when I give a presentation which is very nice.

Since they added the physical escape key which I use in some editors, I have no complaints about the touchbar. I never experienced any times where it did not work as some other apparently had.
 
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