Okay, hear me out. I know the MBPs (especially nTB ones) get hot at full load...that is obvious and something you can't escape. But from everything I've seen, the CPU's hold their own pretty well even running at full tilt with the fan(s) at full speed. In every video or review where they talk about thermal throttling, they say how after 20 minutes or whatever at full load, the CPU "thermal throttles" down from whatever crazy turbo boost it has (say, 4.5GHz) to a slightly slower speed, like 3.9GHz for example, and then proceed to talk about how Apple skimped on cooling in the machine. Now, I'm using my processor for reference...the base clock on this processor is 3.1GHz...So, it might be a technicality of the word, but I don't understand how someone can say that the CPU is thermal throttling when it is still running well above its base clock speed. If you ask me, I would consider thermal throttling to be any time the CPU has to lower its clock speed below its base clock speed in order to maintain thermal operating specifications. Point is, turbo boost is just that, it is a turbo system designed to increase the processing performance of your CPU for short term intensive tasks, in order to make the system run a little snappier. It was never designed to run at full turbo boost for hours on end. If it were, there would be no point in turbo boost, and its highest turbo speed would be considered to be its base clock. Apple designs the thermal system to be able to keep the CPU sufficiently cool running at full load at its base clock...not at full turbo boost. So, if you ask me, Apple has actually done well considering that almost all reviews and videos I have seen stress testing MBPs and other Apple computers show that the CPU stays at least a few hundred MHz above its base clock during hours of testing. Further, don't just take it from me, but if you look at how Intel defines turbo boost, they say "Maximum turbo frequency indicates the highest possible frequency achievable when conditions allow the processor to enter turbo mode...Availability and frequency upside of Intel® Turbo Boost Technology 2.0 state depends upon a number of factors including, but not limited to, the following: Type of workload Number of active cores Estimated current consumption Estimated power consumption Processor temperature Note: Intel® Turbo Boost Technology 2.0 allows the processor to operate at a power level that is higher than its TDP configuration and data sheet specified power for short durations to maximize performance." With that said, I will end my rant. I'm sorry, that is just something that has been grinding my gears in a large number of reviews and videos I am watching about the new MBP's. I think people have unrealistic expectations. If turbo boost stuck at full speed all the time, what point is there in getting a 3.1ghz i5 vs a 1.2ghz i5 if they both boost to 4.whatever... Interested to hear you all's thoughts...if some models are in fact thermal throttling below base clock, id be interested to know.