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usagora

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There are two 200-foot long left turn lanes to turn onto the on-ramp on the expressway I take to work each day. After the turn, the right lane eventually merges with the left on the onramp about 700 feet down the ramp. Almost every day there are cars piled into the leftmost turn lane, literally spilling out into the straight lanes while the rightmost turn lane is either empty or only has 1-5 cars in it. Makes absolutely no sense! Why do people do this? My two theories are:

1. Drivers who are unfamiliar with the road and aren't aware there are actually two left turn lanes.

2. Drivers don't want to zipper merge from the right to left on the on-ramp

The problem with theory 1 is that both lanes are clearly marked as left turn lanes with large white arrows painted on them, but I suppose they could just be really bad at situational awareness. Second problem is that I often see the same cars every day doing this, so they know there are two turn lanes.

Theory 2 seems more plausible, as it seems to be the same phenomenon as people who merge miles ahead of construction when there is plenty of roadway left to use. In that case, I can only guess they're afraid that either others won't let them over at the choke point or that they will be viewed and possibly raged at as "line cutters" by ignorant people who don't understand how zipper merging works. However, an on-ramp seems like a different scenario to me than lane closures, so I'm not sure if it's a good comparison.

While occasionally I have some dingleberry in the left turn lane who will try to block me from zipper merging (i.e. speed up to close the gap that I'm about to merge into), it's really not that big of a deal most days, as there's plenty of ramp. If someone does try to block me, they usually eventually back off once they see that I'm holding my position. If they don't by the time it's getting close to the choke point, then I'll just slow down and merge behind them. I sure wouldn't want to wait 1-2 extra light cycles just to avoid that occasional scenario.
 

cthompson94

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I think it is more for the 2nd reason you posted. Like you mentioned theory 1 the street has markings and probably a sign near the lights that indicate 2 turn lanes. I think most people are familiar that the lane merges and maybe they feel like "that guy" or don't want to deal with it, I am not entirely sure. I know for myself I take whatever lane has the least amount of cars so that as many people as possible can be in the turn lanes without over spilling into the straight lanes (depends how heavy traffic and where you are at for this one) the only time I will go in the more packed one is if I know almost immediately after said turn I will need to make another, then I will go into the appropriate lane, but this is usually assuming there is no merging of the lanes.
 

maflynn

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People almost always head to the left most lane because of the mentality that the left lane is the passing lane and slower traffic goes to the right. That habit extends to merging and what not as well.

I find if I stay in the middle to right lane, I'm generally less stresed and the traffic flows more evenly, i.e., not much stop and go, just go, albeit slower.
 

Mousse

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I think it's because people go into autopilot when driving. They take the familiar route, even if there is a faster one, because it doesn't require extra thought. If the streets are clear, sometimes when I arrive at my destination, I don't remember much of the trip. If there's traffic, I'll remember every bastard who made my drive miserable.😒 Next time, that red G37 tries to shoe horn his (_!_) in front me, he'll trade paint with my '99 Taco.😏 Or not.🙃
 

Kung

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Honestly? In my case, in the past, if I'm turning left onto an on-ramp with two turn lanes, the reason is simple:

I don't want to be the douchebag in the right hand lane either trying to 'beat' everyone to the interstate and potentially cutting them all off.
 

usagora

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I don't want to be the douchebag in the right hand lane either trying to 'beat' everyone to the interstate and potentially cutting them all off.

Then don't be? LOL! Unless there's a d-bag in the LEFT lane who tries to block me from merging, as mentioned in my OP, there's always a natural gap for me to easily merge into without having to race to "beat" someone to it. The only time I'll pass somebody before merging is if they're going ridiculously slow and there's plenty of room to pass them.
 

eyoungren

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Zipper merging.

A concept that relies on people taking turns and all working politely so traffic keeps moving.

Rarely works in Phoenix, Arizona, particularly if the one either blocking the lane or trying to beat everyone else out is driving a truck. It's even worse when it's the jerk who's modified the exhaust so they can roll coal down the entire line of cars.

Out here its force the opening or deny it to everyone else.
 

usagora

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Zipper merging.

A concept that relies on people taking turns and all working politely so traffic keeps moving.

Rarely works in Phoenix, Arizona, particularly if the one either blocking the lane or trying to beat everyone else out is driving a truck. It's even worse when it's the jerk who's modified the exhaust so they can roll coal down the entire line of cars.

Out here its force the opening or deny it to everyone else.

It's not perfect (what is?), but it works well enough in my experience. I'm not going to sit in a mile+ long line when there's a perfectly open lane that's not closed that my taxes helped pave 😉 I've never experienced a 100% jerk rate or anything close to it. There's nearly always a gap that I can merge into closer to the actual choke point without having to stop and wait at the end. You have to be assertive with merging, though. I think that's what causes a lot of problems--people who are too gun-shy to merge and are waiting for a bus-length gap to open up or stopping halfway down the open lane and putting their blinker on instead of keeping moving.
 
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Kung

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Then don't be? LOL! Unless there's a d-bag in the LEFT lane who tries to block me from merging, as mentioned in my OP, there's always a natural gap for me to easily merge into without having to race to "beat" someone to it. The only time I'll pass somebody before merging is if they're going ridiculously slow and there's plenty of room to pass them.
I'm not, EVER. (Unless yeah, there's a gigantic gap in the left lane, and no one in the right lane.)

And agreed on all counts. I mean, if the guy in the left lane is slow, go around him (that's NEVER me lol). If the guy in the RIGHT lane is hauling butt to get around everyone stopped in the left lane...and causes more stoppage in the left lane, and is trying to literally shoehorn his way in...yeah, I've been known occasionally to essentially tell him "Yeah, no...YOU can wait a bit" by not letting him in, but that's maybe 0.1% of the time. The other 99.9% of the time, I adjust speed like anyone else, to let people merge.
 

Rafterman

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I go into the lane I need to make my next turn from. I don't wait until the last second and then switch over one or more lanes.
 
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