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And to the previous poster, I dont get hung up on photo ip theft at all. Blogs and sites constantly borrow and use each others image assets. Heck, even app store games do. Constantly app store games take music or art assets from console or fladh games for instance.

Now if you took my article and posted it on ur website or sold my iPad tools guide to someone it would piss me off but Im not stealing photoshop or windows and selling it. I basivslly had to use it for a class or a couple tasks so there is no way it would be worth or justifiable for me to spend over $100 for auch small use out of it to just basically not have to go to the campus every day but do things I had to do like assignments from home. And now, that I got art studio I dont have any excuse to even use photoshop again as long as I can carry my iPad anywhere I work.

And when iPad 2 comes out will it be ok to steal one since there isn't any sense in spending all that money for a few changes? I think I'm understanding your logic better now. I'm heading to Best Buy in the morning to steal a 46" LED Samsung TV. I only watch a few shows a week so it wouldn't be worth it to spend all that money. :rolleyes:
 
And to the previous poster, I dont get hung up on photo ip theft at all. Blogs and sites constantly borrow and use each others image assets. Heck, even app store games do. Constantly app store games take music or art assets from console or fladh games for instance.

The good blogs at least give credit if they use some other website's image.

And I'm not even going to get into the whole Photoshop Elements vs. Art Studio debate because you're obviously not listening to anyone.
 
I try to give credit as well but I was just saying it wouldnt bother me but would find it flattering if someone took the time to steal my photoshopped pic or something.
 
And how is overcharging and tking advantage of students not stealing? Why should I feel bad about downloading photoshop while I was a student esp since I did it for a class not my own personal commercial work, bad when they overcharge and steal from ppl due to having monopoly in consumer minds and universities? Its like those campus bookstores who take advantage and steal from students. They charge premiums for books thst they update every month and barely take anything off for used books. Its worse than apple updating every year, these books get updated literally every three months.
 
And how is overcharging and tking advantage of students not stealing? Why should I feel bad about downloading photoshop while I was a student esp since I did it for a class not my own personal commercial work, bad when they overcharge and steal from ppl due to having monopoly in consumer minds and universities? Its like those campus bookstores who take advantage and steal from students. They charge premiums for books thst they update every month and barely take anything off for used books. Its worse than apple updating every year, these books get updated literally every three months.

Keep trying to convince yourself that it's ok. Nobody forces you to buy anything. If you don't like the price, don't buy it. That is no excuse for stealing. You have much to learn in life.
 
I dont plan on stealing or even using (its nit even installed at my home) photoshop at all esp now that I bought art studio and can do everything with it Iwould use photoshop for and can do it from my bed not crammed in front of an imac with a soar back. Really youre trying to convince me to buy a product I have no use for? Make up ur mind are you trying tonconvince me im a bad person when I choose to work from home rather than sit at theunuverity using it all day? Or that I find no use for it anynore and think art studio is good enough if not better?

basically I think art studio is a waay better deal and easier to use without having to memorize key strokes. Just because it may not have all the features doesnt mean its not good enough for most people. If adobe slapped its name on it or bought out art studio creators and called it photoshop elements you guys would probably buy it for $40 off the app store. By making the initial piracy comment I was just trying to make a point how adobe overcharges I wasnt advocating anything you brought it into discussion. Its a moot point because I dont use photoshop either way anymore. I do basic editing like I showcased gaming related. Or if I do other complex art like you see in magazines or the daily, I will just buy the pogo stylus and still use art atudio with just layers and transform/copy/paste -- its really that good.
 
Just to say, let's not forget things like Photoshop ect have a lot to be thankful for, being pirated in years gone by making them the popular programe they are today

They may not like to publicly admit it though.
 
Make up ur mind are you trying tonconvince me im a bad person when I choose to work from home rather than sit at theunuverity using it all day? Or that I find no use for it anynore and think art studio is good enough if not better?

I'm not trying to convince you of anything. Software piracy is illegal. Period.
 
I'm not trying to convince you of anything. Software piracy is illegal. Period.

So is taking a post it note from your work place, or a biro.
In the UK it's also illegal to make a mp3 file from a music CD you have bought.
As is driving 31mg in a 30mph limit.
Or giving some alcohol to someone under age to drink at the Christmas dinner table.

I'm not encouraging anything Not all laws are the end of the earth if they are broken. People do far worse things in this world than perhaps copy some software so they can complete say a school project.

You have to get things into perspective.
 
Keep trying to convince yourself that it's ok. Nobody forces you to buy anything. If you don't like the price, don't buy it. That is no excuse for stealing. You have much to learn in life.

How can you say that copying from others is stealing? Nothing happens to the original. Stealing is when you shoplift the package with installation DVDs. Downloading and copying from others is called "sharing", which is pretty far away from "stealing".
 
How can you say that copying from others is stealing? Nothing happens to the original. Stealing is when you shoplift the package with installation DVDs. Downloading and copying from others is called "sharing", which is pretty far away from "stealing".

If there is no law against software piracy, please accept my apology. Stealing is stealing. Whether it bothers you or not isn't the issue.
 
How can you say that copying from others is stealing? Nothing happens to the original. Stealing is when you shoplift the package with installation DVDs. Downloading and copying from others is called "sharing", which is pretty far away from "stealing".

The point is, that by taking a copy of something the only damage you are really doing is taking some potential profit away from the original company who put much time and money into creating the original item.

You have not stole anything from them as such, buy you have denied them the money they should have got from you.

The counter argument of course is that we know, each copy taken is not in reality a lost sale.
You may have say 3 CD's of the beatles and that's all you want. Their Best Tracks compilation for example.
You may never want any more, but just out of sheer curiosity you torrent the Beatles complete collection, with loads of track you don't really like, would never of bought, but hey, there is just something about having the complete collection.

Technically you have done no-one any wrong or any harm, no sales were lost, but it's still against the law. Not the same law that shooting someone comes under though.

There is, to muddy the waters, another counter argument that has been proven that many of the people with large collections of pirate music are also some of the people with the largest amounts of paid for music also, much of the items they have bought they would never even known about if they had not pirated it in the 1st place and discovered the artist, and then wanted to physically by their music.

At it's most basic level yes, copyright law had been broken, but it's way more complicated in the bigger picture than this.
 
How can you say that copying from others is stealing? Nothing happens to the original. Stealing is when you shoplift the package with installation DVDs. Downloading and copying from others is called "sharing", which is pretty far away from "stealing".

If there is no law against software piracy, please accept my apology. Stealing is stealing. Whether it bothers you or not isn't the issue.

Hold up.

I'm not pro-piracy in any way, but he's right.

Piracy isn't stealing. Nothing physical is taken from the owner.

Piracy is piracy. It's illegal duplication of copyrighted works without proper dispensation. Theft and Piracy are distinctly separate offenses, both in name and legally.

Use the right terms.
 
I use art Art Studio just like photoshop for tasks people pay for lots of money to do because they think only photoshop can do them. Take a look at this image:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/59154387@N06/5457912850

It is composed of me combining two game screenshots and doing it all via art studio no photoshop. The original photos I rotated, combined, and cropped:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/59154387@N06/5457306253

http://www.flickr.com/photos/59154387@N06/5457313593

Note, I even took out the black bar down the middle.


All I'm saying is that if you look hard enough u can do it all on the pad. You can do photoshop, photo uploads, editing, blogging, etc. Most people just never learnt how to use the ipad to its full potential or are too lazy to learn. They just look for recognizable names like adobe and assume because theyve done squat shet on the platform the types of products dont exist. Or theynconstantly say because adobe didnt do it its impossible or not practical, etc. Wen I just demonstrated its use and how practical it can really be all from the ipad.

Photoshop is a lot more than just layers, cutting and pasting and rotation >_>
 
Isn't the main difference between Photoshop and Elements is that one uses raster and the other uses vector tools for resizing graphics?

If I can't afford something, I do without until I can. I don't steal. And I don't know what major overclocking forum you frequent, but advocating software piracy is forbidden on the ones I am a member of. You have no problem paying Apple's high prices yet you encourage stealing Windows. So Windows 7 is a broken OS, yet it works like a charm. Can you say Journalism major?

Fixed that for you.

Hold up.

I'm not pro-piracy in any way, but he's right.

Piracy isn't stealing. Nothing physical is taken from the owner.

Piracy is piracy. It's illegal duplication of copyrighted works without proper dispensation. Theft and Piracy are distinctly separate offenses, both in name and legally.

Use the right terms.

But you have stolen potential sales from the copyright holder.
 
Piracy isn't stealing. Nothing physical is taken from the owner.

The word "steal" is applied to much more than just tangible objects.



As for the OP, you either simply don't know or don't need what Photoshop offers over simpler programs like Art Studio. I don't understand the need to complain about other people wanting to use Photoshop when you seem to have a nice workflow using something else.

Your argument supporting piracy is just ridiculous. Just because something's expensive doesn't give you the right to use it illegally. Do young photographers or videographers go out and steal their cameras, lenses, and other gear because it's terribly expensive?

Perhaps you also missed the pretty good educational discounts companies like Adobe offer students. But after reading some of your posts, I'm finding it hard to believe you even earned a degree at all, let alone one in journalism.
 
And how is overcharging and tking advantage of students not stealing? Why should I feel bad about downloading photoshop while I was a student esp since I did it for a class not my own personal commercial work, bad when they overcharge and steal from ppl due to having monopoly in consumer minds and universities? Its like those campus bookstores who take advantage and steal from students. They charge premiums for books thst they update every month and barely take anything off for used books. Its worse than apple updating every year, these books get updated literally every three months.

Keep trying to convince yourself that it's ok. Nobody forces you to buy anything. If you don't like the price, don't buy it. That is no excuse for stealing. You have much to learn in life.

Student pricing gives the student the ability to take their class, and gain other uses down the road till they have to pay for the full program - at witch time they can afford to pay for the program.

Stirolak123, it would be nice for for a stripped down license that would allow for students to use a program only for school work... but how do you propose to delineate what is school work, personal work, or professional (paid) work?

I support the idea that you have that there needs to be support of those that are seeking an education - without undue profits... I remember a photography book from 10 year + years ago that one could by from the local bookstore on the cheap.... but it is now the premire textbook for HS and college photography programs - now at 2 to 3 times of the original cover price. :(

The issue on campus bookstores is to rally support behind the colleges themselves not getting any profit from endless updates to textbooks.
 
Photoshop Elements would work on the upset as it's comparable to art studio and pixel mator. Photoshop and apenture are more on the Pro apps. While storiak is comfortable with his using art studio some people who does more in depth work needs them.


Also what sera of journalism are you in as that may decide the photoshop vs art studio deal.

And last but not least try the photoshop or elements trail ads you can't compare them without trying them both.
 
Hold up.

I'm not pro-piracy in any way, but he's right.

Piracy isn't stealing. Nothing physical is taken from the owner.

Piracy is piracy. It's illegal duplication of copyrighted works without proper dispensation. Theft and Piracy are distinctly separate offenses, both in name and legally.

Use the right terms.

Well excuse me. You got me on a technicality.
 
How bout this idea for students. Allow them a three month access (or until the end of that quarter/semester) for free as long as they are taking that course (whether it is photoshop per se or another course where the classroom and campus bought the app). Kind of like those 90 day trials and after the class isover they need a sexuruty key. Allow them to use it at home for anything they want but only for the duration of the course. Instead of charging them an arm and a leg for even the student so called discounted price. And, because art studio already exists and theybwould be hard pressed in beating it esp for its price -- it would have to be literally discounted pro for people to upgrade who have art studio. Here is a review of art studio that even says adobe should have done this earlier instead of their express app:
http://www.appsmile.com/2010/02/25/artstudio-what-photoshop-mobile-wishes-it-had-been/

Also, my point was that adobe charges as much because they can get away with it because of the pc and mac markets. Not because they have to or because they wouldnt be a profitablecompany if they charged app store prices for instance (like iwork apps). And the only reason they havent brought it to the pad in my opinion because they know that they couldnt get away with charging people their ridiculous amounts on the app store not thst it isnt possible or practival (tablets are perfect esp with a stylus for photo editing and manipulation). And art studio proved you dont need huge horsepower when working with a few layers at a time.
 
How bout this idea for students. Allow them a three month access (or until the end of that quarter/semester) for free as long as they are taking that course (whether it is photoshop per se or another course where the classroom and campus bought the app). Kind of like those 90 day trials and after the class isover they need a sexuruty key. Allow them to use it at home for anything they want but only for the duration of the course. Instead of charging them an arm and a leg for even the student so called discounted price. And, because art studio already exists and theybwould be hard pressed in beating it esp for its price -- it would have to be literally discounted pro for people to upgrade who have art studio. Here is a review of art studio that even says adobe should have done this earlier instead of their express app:
http://www.appsmile.com/2010/02/25/artstudio-what-photoshop-mobile-wishes-it-had-been/

Also, my point was that adobe charges as much because they can get away with it because of the pc and mac markets. Not because they have to or because they wouldnt be a profitablecompany if they charged app store prices for instance (like iwork apps). And the only reason they havent brought it to the pad in my opinion because they know that they couldnt get away with charging people their ridiculous amounts on the app store not thst it isnt possible or practival (tablets are perfect esp with a stylus for photo editing and manipulation). And art studio proved you dont need huge horsepower when working with a few layers at a time.


well they ccan chats as much as they do becuase slot of the project studios and publications use photoshop. Comparing ignore or Nigeria to a magazine like complex or time is different.

Whthe you described is the 90 day trail. Also thief are discountts for students
 
Read this:
http://www.pixelmator.com/support/v...start=15&sid=9475356ddef6e69609522b45653e0e78

"The market for solid graphics tools on the iPad is pretty intense. Autodesk Sketchbook Pro (which is the king of the hill on Tablet PCs) is $7.99, and ArtStudio (which I think is better) is $0.99 introductory price (it will supposedly increase to $4.99). Brushes, which I own for the iPhone, is $9.99 on the iPad (this is the app used to create several New Yorker covers).

G1sh: I think this demonstrates you're wrong. I actually understand and sympathize with your various points — e.g. the iPad does need some kind of file system, it is a closed system, and it doesn't have multitasking (until iPhone OS 4.1 comes out), but it's not a laptop, it's an iPad.

Closed or not, there are more solid, useful, well-thought out graphics programs on the iPad right now than there are on Windows, which says something. (There's no Photoshop or Painter or Illustrator.) And you can buy them all (except for Omnigraffle) for less than an Adobe Photoshop Elements license.

The iPad weighs about the same as a hardcover book, a hard bound notebook, a typical reference book (e.g. JavaScript: The Definitive Guide is heavier), or a wacom tablet — all items I used to carry around from time to time in addition to my laptop computer. And it really does go for 10h on a charge.

So now I carry an iPhone, a laptop, and an iPad. I would prefer to ditch the iPhone than the iPad. And I could easily ditch the laptop most of the time. Indeed, I am carrying so much less stuff now thanks to the iPad I may start carrying a DSLR around."
 
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