ehhh I got a PS4 recently and dont really like it. I miss Halo and want Forza. Im gonna trade it in for an xbox one.
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Why do you think the PS4 won?
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I own both. I prefer XB1 more than PS4. TBH, I can't see the difference in picture quality (unless put them side by side), but the XB1 OS is easier to use, easier to pick a single game from the list (downloaded digital version), and I love the elite controller (the hair trigger, and software adjustable thumbstick). The next function I am looking forward is streaming from PC to the XB1. So that I can enjoy my PC quality gaming via XB1 on my 84" TV 
(Streaming from console to PC is useless for me, I have no interest in playing console games on the small monitor).
(Streaming from console to PC is useless for me, I have no interest in playing console games on the small monitor).
I think people are saying 'won' since Sony reports PS4 units 'sold' vs. MS reporting Xbox Ones 'shipped' and Sony is leading by a 2-1 margin. I was playing The Division and an Australia player join our team and was praising the PS4 community. He said the Xbox online community there is dead.
I tend to agree that PS4 has won this round and I think Sony learned some valuable lessons from the PS3 days.
They launched quickly, at a good price point and with some better (although not amazing) games. The fact that until recently the PS4 was much more powerful, offering developers more freedom surely helped.
That combined with MS mistakes has definitely helped.
Now Sony is building the PS4k and that may or may not be a helpful idea. If they just replace the PS4 with the 4K and drop the price of the 4, it could entice a lot of new buyers. At the same time, it could piss a lot of people of.
It will be interesting to see how this develops.
They launched quickly, at a good price point and with some better (although not amazing) games. The fact that until recently the PS4 was much more powerful, offering developers more freedom surely helped.
That combined with MS mistakes has definitely helped.
Now Sony is building the PS4k and that may or may not be a helpful idea. If they just replace the PS4 with the 4K and drop the price of the 4, it could entice a lot of new buyers. At the same time, it could piss a lot of people of.
It will be interesting to see how this develops.
Obviously Bloodborne and the initial cheaper price tag. Okay, those were the reasons I bought it . Really though, I think it all comes down to the PS4 being initially cheaper. They're pretty much the same thing, and if the Xbox One is anything like my PS4, they both feel like cheap hollow versions of the PS3.
. Really though, I think it all comes down to the PS4 being initially cheaper. They're pretty much the same thing, and if the Xbox One is anything like my PS4, they both feel like cheap hollow versions of the PS3.
Coming late to this thread, but MS completely blew the launch...this video (summarizing the launch event, and mashing up all the mentions of "TV") was posted right after the launch, and I think it showed gamers how low they (and games were) on the MS marketing plan to invade your living room.
After that, Sony carefully hit pretty much all the right notes, and MS has been playing catch-up ever since. The minor graphical differences (in Sony's favor) didn't help either.
After that, Sony carefully hit pretty much all the right notes, and MS has been playing catch-up ever since. The minor graphical differences (in Sony's favor) didn't help either.
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The low sales of the Xbox might mean Microsoft exiting the console market. The current install base is just not large enough for Microsoft to build a specific console and build multi-million triple A games exclusives.
With streaming gaming services, steam boxes, and PC gaming (Microsoft's bread and butter) they might just exit the hardware market and concentrate on software. I already hear that X1 is more or less is like programming for Windows.
I guess Sony will dominate console market just like Nintendo is almost the single player in the hand-held market.
What you say is true but I still find it hard to believe that people are still bitter about announcements that happened before the launch and never took place. They backed from the 24hr online, DRM, and Kinect always on a long time ago.
With streaming gaming services, steam boxes, and PC gaming (Microsoft's bread and butter) they might just exit the hardware market and concentrate on software. I already hear that X1 is more or less is like programming for Windows.
I guess Sony will dominate console market just like Nintendo is almost the single player in the hand-held market.
What you say is true but I still find it hard to believe that people are still bitter about announcements that happened before the launch and never took place. They backed from the 24hr online, DRM, and Kinect always on a long time ago.
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You get one chance to make a first impression. In a business that is (to a large degree) based on hype, first impressions are highly important.
I don't think people were bitter...I think heading into the product launches, most people thought, "I'm going to buy one console, will it be Xbox One or PS4," and after that product keynote, made their mind up (they didn't necessarily buy at that point, but they pretty much made their mind up). Also, MS made a lot of mis-steps over about 2 months after that launch, and only later did they start honing their marketing message. But people did make up their minds (the Kinect didn't resonate with people like it could have, and also drove the price up needlessly).
The other thing, (in addition to not as many exclusives now, many games coming out on PC), the Xbox (this version or previous versions) has never sold well outside of the US. Inside the US it tends to dominate, but there are a lot of other people living in a lot of other areas.
As much as MS must be sick of throwing billions of dollars into their Xbox division, I don't see this happening. Other than the Xbox, MS have no name/product recognition among 18-34 year olds, which is a *huge* marketing demographic. So, I think you will see an XBone Two.
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Thats a very expensive advertisement. None the less, Microsoft has Windows, Office, Outlook, OneNote, Surface, Microsoft Studios, and the very popular MineCraft.
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Reasons:
Better hardware
upgradable storage
less ambiguity regarding secondhand games, kinect, etc.
Microsoft blew a lot of customer goodwill with the inconsistent crap they were talking about the Xbone.
You say not to mention these things, and sure, they're no longer issues. But the big thing is microsoft blew the goodwill. That doesn't come back easily. Essentially: people do not trust them any more (and windows 10 reinforces this).
To not mention any of that entirely misses the root cause of the problem, IMHO.
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and MS will not exit the console market, doesn't matter how badly the Xbone does.
They have a vision of Windows everywhere, and the Xbox is their entry into the living room. Its not just for games, it will be pushed like the AppleTV for stuff you may otherwise use a computer for in the living room.
They are however trying to unify the PC and XBOX game platform which will mean that PC games and XBOX games will be cross compatible. Hence the XBOX app on Windows 10 running XBOX games (announced) and pushing for apps on XBOX.
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I just don't believe that something that ended 2 years ago would affect the buyer today. Its hard to imagine someone going "I will buy a PS4 today because 2 years ago Xbox said I have to be connected at least once every 24hrs, but canceled on launch"
I would not recommend confusing "large market presence" with "desire" or "coolness." People in their 60's use Office, Outlook, and OneNote on a daily basis...how cool is that? The vast majority of people use Office and Outlook because their corporation uses it. By your line of reasoning, the makers of school cafeteria meals should be making killer profits by opening up restaurants and advertising it as "Food just like you eat at your school cafeteria."
Listen, the battle for the hearts and minds of consumers is complex. There are a lot of factors in play, including perceptions of who is winning and who is the underdog, as well as price, games, etc.
Lots of people in this thread have been giving you excellent answers to your initial question. You keep coming back with, "Yeah, but..." So how about this as a reason for the PS4 leading: Life just isn't fair...
Goodwill (and trust) is very easily lost and very difficult to recover.
Put it this way, if your girlfriend/boyfriend was to cheat on you, how long before you would trust her again? If ever?
Also, maybe it's not so much "I'm going to buy a PS4 because Microsoft screwed me" but rather "I'm not upgrading my XBOX because screw microsoft!".
Microsoft can be lagging because they simply aren't selling, rather than Sony selling better than they would by taking XBOX customers. I.e., maybe their loyal customers aren't jumping ship, they just aren't upgrading yet.
I know I for example haven't upgraded my PS3 either because of the crap spewed by both companies over "next gen" and not being entirely attracted to either of them. But Microsoft especially so. I haven't bothered to keep up to date with their retractions, but even so i've probably followed it more than a bunch of my friends who simply wrote them off and didn't bother to keep informed. And people such as myself - even though i know they have made retractions, the fact that they initially made those statements shows the mindset they have, and the attitude towards their customer base.
If they've changed their mind so many times already, and were attempting to make customer-hostile moves, then why should i trust they won't change their mind again to screw me with a classic bait-and-switch down the track?
No, until they demonstrate that they aren't out to screw their customer base and keep their word for a significant time, they're off my shopping list.
I wonder how many PS4 owners are like me. They have both Xbox One and PS4 but only play the PS exclusive stuff on PS4 and everything else on Xbox One because they came from a 360 with all of their friends on Xbox Live. I got Destiny for PS4 first but none of my friends did and I ended up getting it for Xbox One, so now just bought The Division on Xbox as well.
Love the back compat just wish they would get red dead redemption out on it.
It's kinda annoying that I have a PS3 and PS4 just sitting gathering dust but that will change when uncharted comes out, which will probably be the only PS4 game I buy this year.
Love the back compat just wish they would get red dead redemption out on it.
It's kinda annoying that I have a PS3 and PS4 just sitting gathering dust but that will change when uncharted comes out, which will probably be the only PS4 game I buy this year.
Same here. PS4 for exclusive games only, playing XB1 in general, and almost all friends are on XBL.
If only consider XB1 and PS4, of course more people playing PS4 (both online and offline). But if consider XBL and PSN, there should be more people on XBL because there are lots of XB360 player at there as well (even though it's virtually nothing to do with "how many XB1 player on XBL"
).I think it's clear that MS screwed up this round, but they won't die easily. And I suspect they have learned a lot from this.
Since then, they've launched Windows 10 and have a more coherent plan.
I for one will be very interested to see how the PS4K works out and how that affects both companies - it could be a very significant change, either positive or negative.
Since then, they've launched Windows 10 and have a more coherent plan.
I for one will be very interested to see how the PS4K works out and how that affects both companies - it could be a very significant change, either positive or negative.
I doubt how's that possible. I personally want to play games in 4K. However, higher resolution with very poor graphic is worse than lower resolution but better graphic. A single polygon in 4K means nothing. Unless the polygon number increase a lot. 4K is meaningless. The 1080P in console not even close to the graphics that a computer can do in 1080.
Also, only the very new 4K TV has HDMI 2.0, all HDMI 1.4 4K TV are limited to 4K 30Hz only, again, not good for gaming. Even though we don't consider the HDMI limitation. I doubt how can they produce a console that can match the TitanX with reasonable price. I don't think there is any low cost GPU can output constant 4K 60FPS with reasonable graphic settings.
I really hope that they can produce something like when the XB360 introduced. It's very good graphics with very user friendly price (compare to the gaming PC). But I just can't figure out how's that possible at this moment.
A console with 4K output capability, and able to gaming in 4K with reasonable graphics are 2 different matters.
Also, only the very new 4K TV has HDMI 2.0, all HDMI 1.4 4K TV are limited to 4K 30Hz only, again, not good for gaming. Even though we don't consider the HDMI limitation. I doubt how can they produce a console that can match the TitanX with reasonable price. I don't think there is any low cost GPU can output constant 4K 60FPS with reasonable graphic settings.
I really hope that they can produce something like when the XB360 introduced. It's very good graphics with very user friendly price (compare to the gaming PC). But I just can't figure out how's that possible at this moment.
A console with 4K output capability, and able to gaming in 4K with reasonable graphics are 2 different matters.