Why do you think the PS4 won?

[Limey77]

As I say, it's going to be very interesting.

Rumours have it (yes only rumours) that the gpu will be twice as powerful as the PS4.

http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2016/03/31/report-ps4k-gpu-launch-titles-revealed/

So yes, we are talking about 4x the resolution with only twice the gpu, but there is at least one core still not being used and upgraded ram etc, I think the PS4K "could" be awesome.

Having said that. How that works with the regular PS4, how difficult it becomes for game development etc, I simply don't know.

But, I think it will prove very interesting. Until now consoles had basically been fixed for 5-10 years (with the exception of the PS upgradeable HD) now Sony is introducing a whole new "halfway" system.

I'm yet to formulate a position until I know more. But my initial thought is that I'm pissed. At Christmas I finally bought a PS4 and now, less than a year later it seems I'll be made the fool.

Now Sony can appease that with some type of trade in deal but I doubt it. This brings a whole new dynamic to the "console wars".

 

[MacBH928]

4k console is stupid. How many people out there own a 4K tv? Assuming a 4K tv costs $1000 only, a new 4K ps4 costs $400, who is in his sane mind that will pay $1400 just to get higher resolution!?

It took people a good 6 years to consider HDTVs a "standard" (2005-2011). Good luck trying to convince people to upgrade to 4K from Bluray quality tvs.

4K TV IMHO will be a luxury electronic, for the rich, kind of like how LaserDiscs were in the 90's (Unless prices come down significantly). Hence, if a PS4K comes along, it will be a high end electronic device which will be expensive like the Neo-Geo.

 

[0098386]

4k console is stupid. How many people out there own a 4K tv? Assuming a 4K tv costs $1000 only, a new 4K ps4 costs $400, who is in his sane mind that will pay $1400 just to get higher resolution!?

It took people a good 6 years to consider HDTVs a "standard" (2005-2011). Good luck trying to convince people to upgrade to 4K from Bluray quality tvs.

4K TV IMHO will be a luxury electronic, for the rich, kind of like how LaserDiscs were in the 90's (Unless prices come down significantly). Hence, if a PS4K comes along, it will be a high end electronic device which will be expensive like the Neo-Geo.

You're young, right? This always happens. In the first 5 years tech is always too expensive and people will moan about it, but slowly the prices drop. I mean right now a 55" 4K TV costs the same as my 55" 1080p TV I bought 3 years ago, the same make and everything (Bravia).
Why do you think it won't catch on?

If, in a years time a new PS4K costs the same as a PS4 today then why wouldn't someone new to consoles buy it? It's not just for a higher resolution either, more power means faster load times, smoother framerates at 1080p, more capable hardware for VR.

 

[the8thark]

The PS4 didn't win though.
Well it won as much as Nintendo won. That being Sony's gaming division and Nintendo both used their current gen consoles to move from the red to profit. Also Sony and Nintendo are going for different markets as both are totally different consoles (WiiU and PS4).

 

[apolloa]

By now we can all assume PS4 won this generation with almost 40m, XboxOne at 20m, and Wii U at 12m.

What I would like to discuss and hear opinion about is why do you think the PS4 won over XboxOne?
We all know why the Wii U didn't succeed.

XOne and PS4 are pretty much similar in all aspects and something like 90% of the library is multiplatforms.

Please no one mentions the 24hr connected to the internet, Kinect, and DRM games because all of those things were canceled 2 years ago when the console launched IIRC.

It's WINNING (the race isn't over yet), because Microsoft TOTALLY screwed up the Xbox One launch. They came across as pretty incompetent when interviewed about the DRM and if Kinect would spy on you etc etc etc. Sony had a REALLY easy walk to the results it has now.
It has nothing to do with exclusives or console power, it was simply they messed up the launch.

BUT... I think you need to keep an eye on the Xbox One as MS won't sit down, they'll come up with some very clever marketing tricks to get those sales. And Nintendo with it's new console next year could also threaten sales.

And I would also throw this in that not many would think off, I bet it made a HUGE difference to Sony that they held their press event AFTER microsoft when they announced pricing and launch dates etc at E3 that year. A lot of people think they would of charged more for the console and maybe bundled the PS camera with it by default. If that was the case they just dropped the price and the camera and bam you've just undercut your main competitor, with no DRM stuff.

 

[MacBH928]

You're young, right? This always happens. In the first 5 years tech is always too expensive and people will moan about it, but slowly the prices drop. I mean right now a 55" 4K TV costs the same as my 55" 1080p TV I bought 3 years ago, the same make and everything (Bravia).
Why do you think it won't catch on?

No I am old enough to know that in 5 years there will be a PS5 not a PS4K. By then everyone who wanted a PS4 would probably have one(just like a ps3 in 2013)

You are assuming that just because a TV dropped in price from $1000 to $500 people will buy it, a $500 is still $500 and you would have to give people a very good reason to upgrade their TVs. 1080p still looks magnificent.

A similarly priced PS4(slim) that has better hardware and ability to play 4K would be nice. But releasing a higher priced console just to play 4K, not many will pay the extra price for extra pixels that they have to upgrade their TVs to just to get experience it.

It's WINNING (the race isn't over yet), because Microsoft TOTALLY screwed up the Xbox One launch.

History proves that no console was behind and then surpassed the competitor unless it was neck-to-neck. It only happened with the ps3 that it caught up with the 360, but then again, the 360 was released a year earlier, and the ps3 has major advantages like free online (vs $60/year XBL), the capability to play BD, and play games all the way back to PSX(I know PS2 support dropped later on, but you still can get many on PSN).

 

[0098386]

No I am old enough to know that in 5 years there will be a PS5 not a PS4K. By then everyone who wanted a PS4 would probably have one(just like a ps3 in 2013)

You are assuming that just because a TV dropped in price from $1000 to $500 people will buy it, a $500 is still $500 and you would have to give people a very good reason to upgrade their TVs. 1080p still looks magnificent.

A similarly priced PS4(slim) that has better hardware and ability to play 4K would be nice. But releasing a higher priced console just to play 4K, not many will pay the extra price for extra pixels that they have to upgrade their TVs to just to get experience it.

But people do, TVs are upgraded on average in the UK at 3 TVs for every 10 years. And just like anything else people generally spend the same amount each time. You just get more for your money. It's pretty funny explaining this

If you're used to buying iPhones you don't suddenly hit a spot where you say "No I'm happy with this resolution and processor speed now. When this phone breaks in years to come I will get one with the same specs but costs much much less".

There will be a point where TV tech can't progress. I imagine VR will be an alternate, evolving tech when TV resolution no longer matters and is no longer noticeable. But for now resolution increases, colour reproduction improve, contrasts widen, refresh rates improve, boot times reduce.

 

[wubsylol]

The Xbone had a shaky launch but I don't think it's far to say either console has "won".

 

[hiddenmarkov]

The Xbone had a shaky launch but I don't think it's far to say either console has "won".

basically. Except for exclusive releases (which many in time become across the board for PS4 and xbone anyway) its really SSDD. For the picky they will take system with the few real exclusives (ex Halo). Or whatever is ps4 only.

Or people pick based on friends in the networked gaming world. Where I work you have the ps4 crew for divisions and the xbone crew. Any better for their choice...not really. They have their crews to run darkzones, they are happy. Run the 4 mans with people you trust.

Don't do this...ps4 or xbone the publics can go down hill fast, doesn't matter what the console is. nature of the beast with console. gaming companies don't go full bore with punishments on console. Blizzard on console can care less if you have a hacked older game save from D3 and imports its right to ps4/xbone in I am told. Can also care less about duping and other exploits. Flipside to the pc/mac D3....this stuff is insta ban 4 life...all games on that account. I don't lose just D3, I lose SC II and say WOW if I give it a go.


That and I look at content. IMO Nintendo won tbh. Only they seem to be trying for originality. Or sponsor devs to have to have it. Most innovative and fun FPS of late I have run has been splatoon. Its not reskinned kill this bad guy. Same bad guy in spirit from every other game before...just name and look changes (and the voice actor). Some other games brought us cg Claymation or a woolly game. Not everyone's cup of tea, not mine tbh although I did enjoy the Claymation game, but....massive cool points given for not putting out the same crap year after year.

 

[MacBH928]

Only they seem to be trying for originality. Most innovative and fun FPS of late I have run has been splatoon. Its not reskinned kill this bad guy. Same bad guy in spirit from every other game before...just name and look changes (and the voice actor). Some other games brought us cg Claymation or a woolly game. Not everyone's cup of tea, not mine tbh although I did enjoy the Claymation game, but....massive cool points given for not putting out the same crap year after year.

Its funny you mention this about Nintendo since I already know their releases for the next 3 coming consoles:
1-Mario 3D world 845
2-Mario Kart 127
3-SuperSmash 57
4-Zelda: Ocarina of Time: The Remake: The 4th
5-Mario 3D World 846
6-Pikmin 13
7-GTA 4 port with the awesome new Nintendo tongue controller!!

 

[hiddenmarkov]

Its funny you mention this about Nintendo since I already know their releases for the next 3 coming consoles:
1-Mario 3D world 845
2-Mario Kart 127
3-SuperSmash 57
4-Zelda: Ocarina of Time: The Remake: The 4th
5-Mario 3D World 846
6-Pikmin 13
7-GTA 4 port with the awesome new Nintendo tongue controller!!

Well yeah they push that as well. The icons always have to be pushed sadly. At least splatoon was offered up.

Didn't say they were without sin here, was just saying they put out well never saw that coming gaming. Something not really seen on other consoles beyond maybe Plants versus Zombies GW 1/2 in the FPS front. Which loses some cool points for the micro transactions. Just not seeing how with reasonable game play you can get all the add on stuff. By reasonable I mean not a couch potato to get it.


TBH this is why I like my xbone, you get the indy titles as part of the sub as 1 of the 2 free games per month usually. Indy has been churning out some innovation of late. See this even pc/mac side where more than half my inventory is indy games. the lack of polish in a unity based I can deal with...if the devs give content. Better imo than prettiest game ever but lacks content.

 

[0098386]

Its funny you mention this about Nintendo since I already know their releases for the next 3 coming consoles:
1-Mario 3D world 845
2-Mario Kart 127
3-SuperSmash 57
4-Zelda: Ocarina of Time: The Remake: The 4th
5-Mario 3D World 846
6-Pikmin 13
7-GTA 4 port with the awesome new Nintendo tongue controller!!

What a strangely angry post.

 

[gkarris]

The Xbone had a shaky launch but I don't think it's far to say either console has "won".

This. MS won the backwards-compatibility war, Sony is winning the "numbers game".

It will be interesting to see E3 with price drops, a redesigned(?) XBox One, PS 4K, and Nintendo NX...

 

[Cnasty]

The XB is the winner for me so far. So much so that I have 2 of them in my house and 1 PS4.

It wins for me as Deals with Gold, Games with Gold, and the overall experience on XBLive is fantastic compared to the PS store and PSN in my opinion. I also love the whole media integration with Snap, one guide, and other things the XB has done.

It got a lot of flack when it was launched as gamers just want to game but it has been groomed into a beautiful machine in my opinion and in Phil Spencer I trust

 

[pat500000]

I'm ps4 owner...but i think xb is currently a winner at this time...mainly because of backward compatibility. Sony has retro games from previous gen console..but you have to buy them as a new game. I hate pSN free games....at times.

 

[apolloa]

Just wanted to add, I am thinking of switching over to the Xbox One if Microsoft launch a new slimmer cheaper model at E3. Because it's better value, for instance here in the UK 12 months of PSN Plus costs more then 12 months of Xbox Live Gold, so any discounted offers for the services reflect this too.
Yet the 'free' games collection with PSN Plus is poor, they are all indie titles I have no interest in yet on the PS3 Sony did, and still do, offer AAA titles for PSN Plus members.
Meanwhile Microsoft do offer AAA titles for it's Gold members for 'free', this month you can have Sunset Overdrive amongst them, and not only that, but the Xbox 360 games it offers are also playable on the Xbox One because of it's backwards compatibility!

Plus the PS4 is very loud where I have it placed. I was going to get an Xbox One originally but due to the mess they made at the launch I didn't and went PS4, I was thinking I would get some great games with the PSN Plus service, but alas no. I had an Xbox 360 that I traded in with it's games for the PS4, now of course if I hadn't done that I could have been playing them still! for FREE! Oh yes Sony's idea of paying them a monthly subscription to play PS3 titles, yeah again poor value for money.

I'm not interested in a PS4.5 and I don't have a 4K TV, it'll be just as noisy if not more so and still lack that value for money, but a smaller quieter Xbox One yes I think I may get one.
in fact Sony's been very annoying, they have a lunch PS4 with the specs we all know, they then as expected launch one with a terrabyte hard drive BUT they also change the internals with a quieter fan and make it lighter, change components and this is after only 1.5 years or thereabouts, and now we will have a PS4.5 launched 3 years after the PS4. So in 3 to 4 years they will have updated the hardware in the console two times!

It seems to be this gen Sony are money grabbing, Microsoft because they are on the back foot are offering fantastic value. Microsoft also has that EA Access system where you pay a monthly fee for EA Xbox One titles, currently you can have Titanfall and some others.

So I have my fingers crossed for a new Xbox One at E3, come Christmas it'll be on my list. Then I may trade in my PS4 and get lots of games

I also think it's funny how you can change the PS4's hard drive easily, yet you have to muck around downloading software onto a USB stick to get the system up and running, so the Xbox One's idea of just plugging in a USB 3 hard drive is much better.
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History proves that no console was behind and then surpassed the competitor unless it was neck-to-neck. It only happened with the ps3 that it caught up with the 360, but then again, the 360 was released a year earlier, and the ps3 has major advantages like free online (vs $60/year XBL), the capability to play BD, and play games all the way back to PSX(I know PS2 support dropped later on, but you still can get many on PSN).

Considering the extraordinary better value for money the Xbox One offers over the Playstation 4, plus if they launch a new Xbox One Slim that's cheaper at this years E3, and Sony launch a more expensive PS4.5, then I think you will see the Xbox One catch up to the PS4 in sales, and possibly overtake them too.

 

[vigilant]

By now we can all assume PS4 won this generation with almost 40m, XboxOne at 20m, and Wii U at 12m.

What I would like to discuss and hear opinion about is why do you think the PS4 won over XboxOne?
We all know why the Wii U didn't succeed.

XOne and PS4 are pretty much similar in all aspects and something like 90% of the library is multiplatforms.

Please no one mentions the 24hr connected to the internet, Kinect, and DRM games because all of those things were canceled 2 years ago when the console launched IIRC.

Ya know the truth of the matter is that things as they stand now are a result of the bad messaging at the start. The original console sold for $100 more for a camera that nearly no one actually supported at launch and is almost dead today. The other thing is Microsoft didn't do a good job catering to indie developers.

Yes, Microsoft fixed all of these things and then some. But momentum was set by the time Microsoft started selling consoles without the Kinect and taking Indie games more seriously. If memory serves me correctly the Xbox One went on sale in November of 2013 and the announcement of the the non-Kinect SKU came out in May 2014 and went on sale in June.

Microsoft is doing all of the right things now. They need to build up that momentum again before things start to even out.

 

[ackmondual]

Console wars, this takes me back!

I don't know about "won", it's too soon to say. I always end up with all systems but so far there's nothing on the Xbox that has really appealed to me... Halo Collection did but it was marred by issues, some I hear haven't been fixed yet. Backwards compatibility is tempting me. But I didn't want to buy one initially because of Kinect, because of the Always-Online stuff. Those things stuck around and I didn't trust buying a console from them. I mean if they could be removed so easily, could they later be reactivated as easily?

I'm playing the Wii U the most so I think that won in the battle for my spare time.

heh... I was going to get a Wii U in 2013 when it abysmal sales. I passed since I still have a backlog of Wii games even today. I kind of regret not getting it then, as they had some sweet deals then. However, I really do feel good about not starting a new system, or buying new games when I still have ones that are unplayed.

As for PS4 and One... I have access to a video game lounge. I'll just get my fix there. I've already completed Halo: Master Chief Collection for Xb1, and am working on Halo 3 ODST for 360.

 

[throAU]

This. MS won the backwards-compatibility war, Sony is winning the "numbers game".

It will be interesting to see E3 with price drops, a redesigned(?) XBox One, PS 4K, and Nintendo NX...

Backward compatibility just doesn't generally matter.

I have a ps1, ps2 and PS3 - you know how often I played ps1 games after I got the ps2, and how often I played ps2 games after the pa3?

About once to see "oh it loads, cool" and that was about it.

Backwards compat on consoles is something people think they want but it just generally sits there unused. It costs money (if there was a major architecture change). And an owner with a bunch of older titles probably still has the older console anyway.

With the move to generic PC type architecture the ps5 and new Xbox will both get it for free though.

 

[MacBH928]

Backward compatibility just doesn't generally matter.

I have a ps1, ps2 and PS3 - you know how often I played ps1 games after I got the ps2, and how often I played ps2 games after the pa3?

About once to see "oh it loads, cool" and that was about it.

Backwards compat on consoles is something people think they want but it just generally sits there unused. It costs money (if there was a major architecture change). And an owner with a bunch of older titles probably still has the older console anyway.

With the move to generic PC type architecture the ps5 and new Xbox will both get it for free though.

You are right and wrong...
many people will not play last gen titles, but they are willing to buy the new console based on backwards compatibility just for the connivence if they happen to want to play that 1 game the the last gen. console.

For many people, they rather have 1 console to play psx and ps2 games than have to setup 2 different consoles (or 3) and connect them to the same tv. Too much hassle. think of it like 1 player for yoru DVD, Bluray, Digital files, Audio, and streaming services than having a separate player for each.

 

[Weaselboy]

Backwards compat on consoles is something people think they want but it just generally sits there unused.

I don't have any hard stats either way, but just based on anecdotal stories in XBox One centric discussion forums, I think it has been pretty popular. MS recently released Red Dead Redemption as backwards compatible on XBox One and it has been very very popular. I'm playing it myself now.

 

[h9826790]

Backward compatibility is good, especially for those Arcade games don't need extreme graphic. Or something like the LEGO series. I can still enjoy the games, but no need to keep the 360.

And I can now use the elite controller on those 360 games.

 

[blesscheese]

Backward compatibility is a tricky topic. Most people like it, but I'm not sure how many people use it. That being said, it is a great thing to have...why not, if you can have it? I mean, how many consoles and wires/strings of "spaghetti" do you want under and around your TV?

 

[gkarris]

Backward compatibility just doesn't generally matter.

I have a ps1, ps2 and PS3 - you know how often I played ps1 games after I got the ps2, and how often I played ps2 games after the pa3?

About once to see "oh it loads, cool" and that was about it.

Backwards compat on consoles is something people think they want but it just generally sits there unused. It costs money (if there was a major architecture change). And an owner with a bunch of older titles probably still has the older console anyway.

With the move to generic PC type architecture the ps5 and new Xbox will both get it for free though.

I just upgraded to the XBox One Elite Controller and playing XBox 360 titles with that is a far better experience (for me at least).

I would LOVE to have all my games backwards compatible now, but I know there will be a bunch of titles that won't.

All I know that if I can play it on XBox One with my Elite Controller, I now will...

 

[0098386]

I still play my PS3 and would have boxed it up if I could play its games on the PS4. It'd be nice because it would free up a power outlet and HDMI port, and it'd be one less controller to keep charged up.

I also play a lot of my old DS games on my 3DS. Just a guess but I imagine more people play backwards compatible games on handheld systems than home consoles.