Why does Apple think it knows better than me?

Discussion in 'iOS 9' started by profmatt, Apr 26, 2016.

  1. profmatt macrumors 65816

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    I have EE double speed 4G in the UK. It's faster than my WIFI and I get 28GB of data a month.

    So why won't Apple let me download a tv programme over 4G?
     
  2. Armen macrumors 604

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    Because there are users here in this forum that have 400MB Data plan and blame Apple for their overages in data.
     
  3. C DM macrumors Westmere

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    That's been their approach for a long time--basically mostly addressing the lowest common denominator so that things would apply and appeal to the larger typical majority.
     
  4. profmatt thread starter macrumors 65816

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    Amazon Prime lets me use 4G. Netflix lets me use 4G. BBC iPlayer lets me use 4G.

    Then they're morons.
     
  5. Armen, Apr 26, 2016
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    Armen macrumors 604

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    Apple doesn't want law suits from users who don't want to take responsibility for their own actions.

    It's the world we live in now. Everyone is to blame but yourself.
     
  6. iOSUser7 macrumors 6502a

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    Yeah that doesn't make any sense, I have 50 GB of LTE data per month yet I can only download a maximum 200 MB app/update on the App Store, lol wtf ?

    I think Apple is right for making this limitation because a lot of people with low data plans would get screwed if they don't always pay attention to the size of an app/update before downloading but there should definitely be an option to turn off that limitation into the settings. Let's hope for that in iOS 10.
     
  7. mrex macrumors 68030

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    "If you dont pay attention"

    If Apple was a country, those people would have been taken to the custody. Well, quess what, apple isnt your daddy, so start taking some responsibility by yourself...

    Is there anything that you cant sue someone in usa because "you didnt pay attention enough"? That is ridiculous that you could sue apple for this. Same ways like "a coffee was hot" etc...
     
  8. Gav2k macrumors G3

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    Jesus! Don't start the coffee is hot argument on a forum!
     
  9. tpr007 macrumors regular

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    Protecting themselves as a company from the stupid minority of Americans who will literally sue for their own stupidity (e.g. McDonald's made me fat, give me money!)
     
  10. Phil A. Moderator

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    It is incredibly annoying and about time Apple at least let us override it if we want to even if they leave the default as it is.

    I have 30gb of data on my Phone and 10gb on my iPad and what I end up doing if I'm out and need to download something over their limits is tether my phone to my iPad or vice-versa which then lets me download unrestricted

    Another thing that is incredibly frustrating is the fact that iCloud photos only uploads over WiFi - if I'm away from wifi for a couple of days any photo I take during that time is at risk, which is why I now use Google Photos instead
     
  11. GeekishlyGreek, Apr 27, 2016
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    Its true that those who could get overcharged would prefer the safeguard of not having their data guzzled by default, whilst those of us who have very economical larger data plans and would like to use more should have the freedom to do so. Options like this seem the most obvious way to solve the issue, and allows for that freedom of choice. I see no negatives with this suggestion, and it does make perfect sense.

    For most things we do have the ability already though to choose which apps can use cellular data, and which ones we restrict to just using WiFi, and that option has long existed on iOS. (For anyone who wasn't aware of this, you'll find that setting by scrolling down to the bottom of the settings menu, clicking on the name of the app, and then toggle the "Use Cellular Data" option). However, if there is also a default data limit restriction like the one mentioned here, then yeah, that does seem silly to have as a default option that exists. Is that really a thing? (that's a genuine question btw. I'm not suggesting that anyone is wrong here. You may indeed be right about that, just I've never noticed it personally).

    Data plans suck over here in Greece, so App store downloads are one of the settings I always deliberately set to only being enabled over WiFi. But whenever I visit family in the UK, the data plans are actually quite good there, so I often turn that setting back on, and is also why I can also see both sides of the argument. So yeah, freedom of choice just makes so much more sense, and would be very easy to do. Just thought I would check with you guys though if this 2GB download restricting thing was actually in existence though, or whether the cellular data setting I mentioned earlier might already solve a problem for those who were experiencing it. (in case anyone finds it helpful).

    Great discussion though, as if this genuinely is an issues, it at least creates the awareness, and has shed light on how easily fixable this one could be.
     
  12. Shirasaki macrumors 604

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    Let me reply those first before forgetting anything I want to say.
    Then there are a good number of morons around the globe. Australia, some European countries, some states in USA etc.

    Not everyone have such a whooping amount of data to "waste" (not really abusing or so actually).
    Human nature.
    :D lol
    --- Post Merged, Apr 27, 2016 ---
    And my game data initial download easily exceeds 100MB or even 200MB limit.
    --- Post Merged, Apr 27, 2016 ---
    And I use OneDrive for photo storage. 60GB in total for two accounts. Not a bad deal.
     
  13. JT2002TJ macrumors 6502a

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    It is kind of a pain. My trick is to tether to my ipad. Once you tether, you are good to download any file size.
     
  14. profmatt thread starter macrumors 65816

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    Since we apparently need protecting from ourselves, I propose that all car journeys over 100 miles should be illegal. Some people run out of fuel when they're driving therefore all people must be punished for their inability to budget their fuel.

    Why stop there? All purchases over £100 should be made illegal, too. Some people spend more money than they earn, therefore everyone should suffer and be subject to a spending bar.

    If your data plan doesn't give you much data, don't download movies over a cellular network. It's that simple. Don't stop me from doing it because you can't.
     
  15. C DM macrumors Westmere

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    We all know that iOS is restrictive in various ways and has their own ways of going about things. It's a choice then of going with it knowing that's how it is, or basically not.
     
  16. profmatt thread starter macrumors 65816

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    That's a cop-out. Other app providers have offered users the choice. Apple should do so, too.

    Wanting Apple to get better is not a bad thing. Indeed, it's exactly what Steve Jobs tried to do. Banning Movies and Photo syncing over a cellular network is a flaw. It should be corrected.
     
  17. C DM macrumors Westmere

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    You can certainly wish and want it, there's nothing wrong with that, it just that it won't change what it is or what Apple will or won't do. Talking about how ridiculous it might be or how other slippery slope ideas might be isn't really going to change anything or do anything. Yes, more options for various things would be nice and good, and sometimes Apple provides those, but knowing how iOS is designed all that can be done is to express your desire for something and basically hope that Apple might do it, and that's basically it.
     
  18. Armen macrumors 604

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    The coffee is too hot was a legitimate case. McDonald's was warned several times to stop brewing coffee at extreme temperatures (which McDonald's ignored because it yielded more coffee per bean and saved them some money).

    The McDonald's coffee the lady(plaintiff) was served was so hot it disintegrated the bottom of the cup it was in and poured into her lap causing all kinds of burns. I'm glad she won that case.
     
  19. thewitt macrumors 68020

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    Please don't make **** up to support your case.

    Though McDonald's settled out of court pending the appeal decision on the hot coffee case. The cup did not dissolve.

    The woman placed a steaming hot cup of coffee between her legs, in a car, and when she tried to remove the lid to add cream and sugar she dumped it in her lap.
     
  20. JT2002TJ, Apr 28, 2016
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    True, BUT, one may assume this was in a moving car, and she was driving.

    She was a passenger AND the car stopped in a parking spot, her son was in the drivers seat. She removed the lid and it spilled on her legs (she did have it resting between her legs). The temp was >180 Degrees, which is known to instantly cause 3rd degree burns. McDonald's was aware of the problem, and there were in excess of 7,000 burned customers. If you see the pictures of this lady's legs, you would understand why this was a problem...

    Big companies do not change policies unless it costs them money, this is the original reason for the need of unions. Typically if it comes to a company doing the right thing (at the expense of the bottom line) or cutting corners, cutting corners is the route they pick. Yes, many will do the right thing, but this is often from a risk vs. reward analysis (the added cost of bad publicity and loss of sales are factored into this analysis).
     
  21. decafjava macrumors 68020

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    Jeez a similar thing happened to me one summer early morning when I was a university student in Nova Scotia. I was working that summer in a cheese factory and as work started really early I sometimes stopped at Tim Horton's to grab a breakfast and a cuppa. Usually drinking it in the parking lot or inside. Once taking it out and driving on the highway to work (in the rural Annapolis Valley -really lovely if anyone has the chance to go there) dropped the coffee in my lap - let go of the wheel and span out across the other lane into the ditch. Car totalled, not a scratch on me - not burnt - except my ego!
     
  22. C DM, Apr 28, 2016
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    While those things might be true it doesn't change the other facts that the coffee was much hotter and thus more dangerous than it ever should have been.
     
  23. Michael Goff macrumors G4

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    Apple got in trouble for WiFi assist, there's no way they're putting themselves out there to get sued for something like this.
     
  24. Armen macrumors 604

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    It looks like the way I read/heard about this case was completely wrong. Wiki below for reference. My apologies.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liebeck_v._McDonald's_Restaurants
     
  25. JT2002TJ macrumors 6502a

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    That is different... To the user, it appeared to be under wifi. I had this happen too, without knowing (warning) I was still connected to my wifi, but my network was down so all it did was pulled off of cellular.

    Here, a simple warning requiring the user to decide if they want to download larger files over cellular would be adequate. Hell, they could even make a switch in settings under cellular data that "Allow large downloads" with it defaulted to off. If the user goes in, physically turns it on a popup could day "WARNING! DOWNLOADING LARGE FILES OVER CELLULAR MAY RESULT IN INCREASED CELLULAR DATA CHARGES".
     

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