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Why does everyone hate how iPhone doesn't have a user-replaceable battery?

Not a fair comparison though. The original iphone is 2G and had much better battery life. Without 3G, there is far less battery usage. Apple's documents specify the full number of charge cycles that the battery can handle. My bet is that my 1 year old phone has been charged more times than your 3 year old phone. I have to do a full charge a minimum of 2 times a day, which has now become 3 times a day. I have no idea how frequently you do full charges, but when I had the 2G I could go 2 days between charges. This is just a guess, but that would be a reasonable explanation.

Good to hear it is workingn out
iTiki said:
I'm still using my original iPhone with the original battery. Never had a problem with either. Not bad for 3 years. :D
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I don't see the appeal. Carrying around one charger is lighter and easier, not to mention how it would effect the aesthetics of the phone. I never once have been in a situation in which I needed to switch out the battery on my iPhone for any reason.
 
JustLeft said:
My bet is that my 1 year old phone has been charged more times than your 3 year old phone. I have to do a full charge a minimum of 2 times a day, which has now become 3 times a day.
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that's just obnoxious. 2-3 full charges a day... c'mon. you are either doing something to drain battery, such as leave push on, be on the phone all day, watch videos, full brightness, location services on, etc etc.

i use my phone quite a bit, talk on alot, browse, play music, etc. I can usually make it the whole day... usually. my phone is jailbroken and i fetch data every 15 mins.

i can't possibly imagine having to charge 3 times in one day. take a look at your settings and make sure everything is optimized. either that or step away from the damn electronics for 5 mins geez
 
Abyssgh0st said:
I don't see the appeal. Carrying around one charger is lighter and easier, not to mention how it would effect the aesthetics of the phone.
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People are not necessarily talking about "carrying" anything in a pocket all day. More like keeping a spare battery in a briefcase for business or camping trips, or just having a spare one charging at home.

I never once have been in a situation in which I needed to switch out the battery on my iPhone for any reason.
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That simply means you don't (or can't) use your phone as much as some other people and/or are never away from a charger for any real length of time.

Let's go on an all-day hike together with a bread crumb GPS app running, or give our phones to a kid to watch Sling TV on for hours, or talk all day while at a construction site. Then guess whose phone can be instantly ready to continue going later that night :)

I think devices should bend to MY schedule, not the other way around. That said, if you really don't need more usage, then it's understandable that you don't see the appeal.

Cheers!
 
Applejuiced said:
If they're not doing it for their laptops, ipods and ipads they will not do it for the iphone either I would think.
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Agreed, but I think it was the sealed battery in the ipods/iPhone that started driving apple towards a sealed battery for their laptops.

Personally, I hate the idea of having a sealed battery in a laptop, I think its a really bad idea. I'm on a road trip and my battery starts acting flaky, I need to find an apple store and then try to make an appointment for them to swap it out. This may or may not work out. Where as my 2008 MBP, all I need to do is bring an extra battery with me.

I don't want to hijack the thread as the reasons for a laptop having a sealed battery and the iPhone are a tad different, but I agree with your point, since they're doing it with most of their product line, I don't expect apple to change anytime soon.
 
What's obnoxious is your assumptions. I have a bad battery, it's as simple as that. Why is that so hard to believe? I do the exact same things on my N1 and get through the day.

I'm not some babe in the woods. There is no explanation for this battery drain other than a bad battery. That is how I got into this thread in the first place. If the battery was cheap and user replaceable, I would have bought one, replaced it and been done with it. Total cost with the N1 for a spare - $25.

Been to the Apple store, done full restore etc..., no effect on the problem. I will try one more time with Apple; this will be my 3rd visit for the same issue. Even took screen prints showing them the issue - they consider it normal. Reminds me of when I took a car into the dealer that burned a quart of oil between fill ups and they told me that that was 'normal'.

I laughed when I saw your comment about stepping away from the electronics for a minute! Trust me, I'm not living on the phone.

ItsThatKush said:
that's just obnoxious. 2-3 full charges a day... c'mon. you are either doing something to drain battery, such as leave push on, be on the phone all day, watch videos, full brightness, location services on, etc etc.

i use my phone quite a bit, talk on alot, browse, play music, etc. I can usually make it the whole day... usually. my phone is jailbroken and i fetch data every 15 mins.

i can't possibly imagine having to charge 3 times in one day. take a look at your settings and make sure everything is optimized. either that or step away from the damn electronics for 5 mins geez
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Agree 100%. You said it better than I have.

kdarling said:
People are not necessarily talking about "carrying" anything in a pocket all day. More like keeping a spare battery in a briefcase for business or camping trips, or just having a spare one charging at home.

That simply means you don't (or can't) use your phone as much as some other people and/or are never away from a charger for any real length of time.

Let's go on an all-day hike together with a bread crumb GPS app running, or give our phones to a kid to watch Sling TV on for hours, or talk all day while at a construction site. Then guess whose phone can be instantly ready to continue going later that night :)

I think devices should bend to MY schedule, not the other way around. That said, if you really don't need more usage, then it's understandable that you don't see the appeal.

Cheers!
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maflynn said:
Agreed, but I think it was the sealed battery in the ipods/iPhone that started driving apple towards a sealed battery for their laptops.

Personally, I hate the idea of having a sealed battery in a laptop, I think its a really bad idea. I'm on a road trip and my battery starts acting flaky, I need to find an apple store and then try to make an appointment for them to swap it out. This may or may not work out. Where as my 2008 MBP, all I need to do is bring an extra battery with me.

I don't want to hijack the thread as the reasons for a laptop having a sealed battery and the iPhone are a tad different, but I agree with your point, since they're doing it with most of their product line, I don't expect apple to change anytime soon.
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Yes, because laptop batteries fail very often?

The fact is, Apple chose to go sealed. The benefits are obvious; solid construction, more space for other things, and better looking. If a customer needs an 'extra charge' there are easy solutions (numerous) available in the market. Thus the iPhone has the benefits of both a sealed and non-sealed battery.

With the MBPs, thats obviously not the case. However, the benefits are much more apparent: Class leading battery life (extra capacity), in a class leading smaller size.
 
To me, it was a stance they were taking to be different. Yeah it does make engineering sense that by making the battery removable you have to incorporate release mechanisms to access it, making the phone thicker. BUT being Apple they are smart enough to make it removable without degrading the ascetics of the design. To me, this is more of a stance than an engineering issue.
 
maflynn said:
Agreed, but I think it was the sealed battery in the ipods/iPhone that started driving apple towards a sealed battery for their laptops.

Personally, I hate the idea of having a sealed battery in a laptop, I think its a really bad idea. I'm on a road trip and my battery starts acting flaky, I need to find an apple store and then try to make an appointment for them to swap it out. This may or may not work out. Where as my 2008 MBP, all I need to do is bring an extra battery with me.

I don't want to hijack the thread as the reasons for a laptop having a sealed battery and the iPhone are a tad different, but I agree with your point, since they're doing it with most of their product line, I don't expect apple to change anytime soon.
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I hear you.
On a laptop they should let you swap it out like every other laptop in the world.
But for iphones, ipods and ipads I dont see the necessity.
 
kdarling said:
People are not necessarily talking about "carrying" anything in a pocket all day. More like keeping a spare battery in a briefcase for business or camping trips, or just having a spare one charging at home.



That simply means you don't (or can't) use your phone as much as some other people and/or are never away from a charger for any real length of time.

Let's go on an all-day hike together with a bread crumb GPS app running, or give our phones to a kid to watch Sling TV on for hours, or talk all day while at a construction site. Then guess whose phone can be instantly ready to continue going later that night :)

I think devices should bend to MY schedule, not the other way around. That said, if you really don't need more usage, then it's understandable that you don't see the appeal.

Cheers!
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These are exactly my thoughts.

However, unlike the thread title, I think most don't want to be able to change out their battery from the responses I've seen in this forum. I asked about this over a year ago and was summarily shut down.

For those saying they never had to change out their battery in phones they've had before the iPhone: So? I've never had a cell phone that used this much battery. Nothing compares to an iPhone. It would be nice to have this feature, but I don't see it happening.
 
What kills me is that if you're going to design a touch-only device, with a non-replaceable battery and "sealed" case , then at least use those decisions to help make the sucker more water resistant.

Instead of just putting moisture detectors at all the openings, that is.

Harumph!
 
Wish I would have thought of that! Great point! Now that would make it worth having a sealed battery - a whole phone that was impervious to moisture. I had a garmin gps that was that way, why not a phone???

You get a Harumph out of me!


kdarling said:
What kills me is that if you're going to design a touch-only device, with a non-replaceable battery and "sealed" case , then at least use those decisions to help make the sucker more water resistant.

Instead of just putting moisture detectors at all the openings, that is.

Harumph!
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Applejuiced said:
A water proof cellphone? :)
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Maybe that's what the seams are for! ;)

but on topic with the thread. I personally prefer the iphone as is. Would I complain about having the option to change it? No. But the iphone has been able to serve me just fine as is and I prefer having ONE battery that (hopefully) has a better battery life. Than having to keep TWO batteries charged at all times and keep the spare on me.

If with the new battery and A4 we can get the battery life up to about 7 hrs of usage I would be loving it :)
 
Yeah its kinda stupid. This affects like 10% of all users and LOL, i don't i can imagine people carrying your phone in one pocket and an extra battery in another.

And if you say yes, you carry an extra battery on your phone then you have either a fanny pak or a murse.

In that case, you have chopped your balls and you are no longer a man and your opinion doesn't matter.
 
With my BlackBerry Tour I would have to swap batteries twice each day. I am the first to admit that I brutally abuse my phone. I enjoy the freedom of being able to dial into a conference call from anywhere. I enjoy not being tethered to my desk.

I refuse to dim my screen, turn off my WiFi and other battery saving measures. I didn't spend the money on the phone with the features to have to turn them off and on all the time.

When I switched to the iPhone the first thing I purchased was two small battery packs. I still have to recharge off my laptop or an outlet usually once a day. Sure a user swappable battery would be great but until that happens, I'll just have to keep a charger in the car, one at the office and one at the house.
 
Dammit Cubs said:
Yeah its kinda stupid. This affects like 10% of all users and LOL, i don't i can imagine people carrying your phone in one pocket and an extra battery in another.

And if you say yes, you carry an extra battery on your phone then you have either a fanny pak or a murse.

In that case, you have chopped your balls and you are no longer a man and your opinion doesn't matter.
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Again, its not all the time.

I'f i'm out of my house early and know i won't be around a charger until late at night, a 2nd battery is not a hassle to bring along if i need extra juice.

I've been in that situation a few times.
 
DougB541 said:
Again, its not all the time.

I'f i'm out of my house early and know i won't be around a charger until late at night, a 2nd battery is not a hassle to bring along if i need extra juice.

I've been in that situation a few times.
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An external battery pack isn't so hard to bring either.
 
calvy said:
An external battery pack isn't so hard to bring either.
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You're equating an instant 100% charge to plugging the phone into something that will power it and charge it as if it were plugged into an outlet. That is NOT the same for some people, certain business users especially.
 
Had another appointment today at the Apple store today. Had them check my phone. The Apple Genius took one look and said 'your battery life is awful' and replaced the phone. The stats from the phone showed the average for the phone was 2 hours life before charge, with the phone at 17% after 2 hours.

So yes the battery was bad and I was not 'living' on the phone as others have suggested. Amazing how some folks (not you ARH1956) always jump to the conclusion that the user is an idiot and that there is not an issue with the phone.

On a different note, my appointment was this Sunday morning. One of the first appointments of the day. Get to the store and the glass door is shattered. Every ipad in the store displays - gone! Very sad. Many of the MBP's also gone.

ARH1956 said:
You have to charge your iPhone 3 times a day?
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I have never had this issue either. I have a charger in my bedroom, one on my desk, the phone will charge when syncing, and I have a cheap car charger. I've rarely run out of battery charge on the go and I'd rather carry a charger than an extra battery anyway.

I'm so OCD that if the battery was removable, I'd sit there playing with it all day. I've flicked the mute button back and forth so many times it barely works :)
 
Well the replacement phone I just received is night and day different. I have had it off the charger for over 6 hours and it is at 92% with average usage. My old phone would have been dead by now. So I am extremely happy!

Glad that you have no issues. None of the other iphones we have had such bad battery life. Think I just got unlucky; fortunately Apple solved the issue.

rmatthewware said:
I have never had this issue either. I have a charger in my bedroom, one on my desk, the phone will charge when syncing, and I have a cheap car charger. I've rarely run out of battery charge on the go and I'd rather carry a charger than an extra battery anyway.

I'm so OCD that if the battery was removable, I'd sit there playing with it all day. I've flicked the mute button back and forth so many times it barely works :)
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When people drop their phones, loose battery covers also cause the battery to fall out as the phones drop. That sucks especially if you're texting or emailing and you drop your phone. Also, the possibility of cheap fake batteries that can be user-replaced.
 
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