That's not a valid argument. It's akin to saying, "I've never driven a Tesla, therefore they must be totally useless."
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Why does everyone hate the Touch Bar?
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That's a bad analogy. If given a Tesla, I could find a use for it. If given a touchbar, I couldn't. A tesla has a valid use case for the majority of people, the touchbar really does not.
WEll, what I meant was i tried it out, and could not find any case where it was useful, and have not used it since a week after buying the first MB pro with it in.
I'm with you. I have learned to live with my touch bar but would pay 100€ more to have the keys back.
With regards to the M1 - humm.... well... I got a new one given from work haven't used it yet. but my students do. And now VMs and containers no longer run as expected. Containers we found a workaround with VM I just don't really care much. However, Apple worked hard to win the dev and market. They have a nice terminal. I hope they map out all they need at the kernel level to make sure everything works.
It just sucks to have another new thing to add to the "it works on my machine" dev - deployment battle.
With regards to the M1 - humm.... well... I got a new one given from work haven't used it yet. but my students do. And now VMs and containers no longer run as expected. Containers we found a workaround with VM I just don't really care much. However, Apple worked hard to win the dev and market. They have a nice terminal. I hope they map out all they need at the kernel level to make sure everything works.
It just sucks to have another new thing to add to the "it works on my machine" dev - deployment battle.
I got myself BetterTouchbartool and am using it heavily - I think it would be a step back if Apple would just kill it
I think that’s why they are removing it for the refresh to drop the price down of the higher end pros, $1299 base to $1799 high end is extreme and sort of alienates the high end models a bit, whereas $1499-$1599 for the high end is far more appealing IMO.
"Why does everyone hate the Touch Bar?"
Because it serves almost no discernible purpose. It replaces a set of keys that functioned perfectly well and could be used for other mapping such as brightness, volume control and so on. Replacing these with virtual controls with no haptic feedback makes no sense.More importantly, it simply duplicates what is already on-screen while your hand is hovering over the trackpad. Why would you click the same context-sensitive button in the Touch Bar when your cursor is already hovering over that button on the screen you're focused on?
It's a complete failure of design from a usability, ergonomic and functional perspective.
It’s a novelty at best. I miss a row of physical function keys which is one of the reasons why I’m switching to the M1 MacBook Air.
It would be extremely useful, IF you could program it like a Streamdeck, where one key press would activate a series of key commands. There are some apps that try to emulate this ability with the Touchbar, but the Touchbar software is either gimped, or just too lousy to truly make it work.
I don't know, ever since I found out about it I've really grown use to the touch and swipe for Audio/Brightness. lol. I'm going to miss that.
I do like that extremely granular control over brightness and volume.. The only useful and beneficial aspect of the Touch Bar for my use cases.
Still ambivalent as the Touch Adds, yet equally takes away. M1 MBP so no choice, at times the Touch Bars adds to efficiency and at times it creates additional steps....
The Touch Bar can stay or go, mostly it was a solution that didn't need to be solved. A pale shadow of a full touch screen device, something that both Apple and the Windows OEM's can produce. Right now the Touch Bar is there so I utilise it, and it's OK. Nothing mind-bending, serviceable subject to software.
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The Touch Bar can stay or go, mostly it was a solution that didn't need to be solved. A pale shadow of a full touch screen device, something that both Apple and the Windows OEM's can produce. Right now the Touch Bar is there so I utilise it, and it's OK. Nothing mind-bending, serviceable subject to software.
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I don't know, I hear Lucifer throws some pretty awesome parties, while those stuck-up elite snobs in the other place are a bunch of killjoys who couldn't throw a good bash to save their lives.
I believe many people here “hated” it because of muscle memory of the old function physical keys. Most of us have been trained with those physical function keys since our first day of using a computer. So obviously the Touch Bar would interrupt that muscle memory, a LOT.
However, I’d argue that a new user, especially those who has a smartphone as their first ever computer, would find the Touch Bar useful as that user won’t have a clue what function keys were.
But IMO Apple is killing the Touch Bar. It is inconsistent as they never bring it to their magic keyboard. With the latest M1 iMac magic keyboard not having one but gets Touch ID, feels like the Touch Bar is going away, as only MacBook Pro users would ever have it, while the rest don’t. Apple should’ve put the Touch Bar on all new Apple Silicon Macs if they wanted people to get used to it. With the rumors of a redesigned MacBook Pro omitting the Touch Bar, I’m guessing we will see the end of it.
However, I’d argue that a new user, especially those who has a smartphone as their first ever computer, would find the Touch Bar useful as that user won’t have a clue what function keys were.
But IMO Apple is killing the Touch Bar. It is inconsistent as they never bring it to their magic keyboard. With the latest M1 iMac magic keyboard not having one but gets Touch ID, feels like the Touch Bar is going away, as only MacBook Pro users would ever have it, while the rest don’t. Apple should’ve put the Touch Bar on all new Apple Silicon Macs if they wanted people to get used to it. With the rumors of a redesigned MacBook Pro omitting the Touch Bar, I’m guessing we will see the end of it.
This is exactly where I landed... sold my 2018 MBP with TouchBar and bought an M1 MBA... never looked back.
Love how the dissenters are labelled "haters"...
I used BTT for a while on my 2018 MBP... it didn't solve the basic issue with TB for me - touch typing on the TB was still a crap shoot in terms of hitting the exact spot on the TB to effect whatever change/setting I was after. It still required me to slow down and look at the pseudo-buttons on the TB.
I tried it in my local electrical shop and to be honest, yes it does provide function BUT whatever appears on it you can more easily just click onto on screen, therefore I can see why it’s being shelved.
I think it would have been far better had it have been situated just below the screen keeping the function keys intact.
I think it would have been far better had it have been situated just below the screen keeping the function keys intact.
Can I ask how you feel about the reduction in screen brightness on the air? I am debating between the Air and Pro at the moment.
Have liked it since I first got a MBP with it....hope Apple continues with it as a future accessory for those of us who want it; complainers will complain even when what they're complaining about doesn't affect them. Like those who won't take flu shots...then don't! But please shut up about it......
I typically use it in an office environment, and for me, it’s not an issue. I have the brightness set at a comfortable level at about 35-40% of max and hardly ever change it.
Brill, I am going to see what’s offered in the pro line up at WWDC then make my decision, it seems as though the Airs display is bright enough for the majority judging by reviews etc…