DoFoT9
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how could one person possibly have 40 windows open!??!! thats crazy man. you need coffee!!! wats your job??
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Why Does Everyone Hate Vista?
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how could one person possibly have 40 windows open!??!! thats crazy man. you need coffee!!! wats your job??
iSee
macrumors 68040
Yeah, the most insidious flaw in the implementation of UAC is how often it prompts you to click through a dialog. Over and over again it prompt, prompts, and prompts whether or not there is any actual threat. It prompts and prompts in all kinds of situations, slowly training even the most vigilant, careful user to click through them automatically.
Eventually, when one of the UAC dialogs pops up, the signals from your visual cortex don't even need to reach your brain; they just trigger a muscle-memory response in your hand to click through the dialog.
When a situation arises that actually does require caution (hmmm, now why would "colleague" be sending me a .zip file?), you won't even pause to think about it.
It's the OS that cried "wolf," "wolf," "wolf," "wolf," "wolf," "wolf," "wolf," "wolf," "wolf," "wolf," ... "wolf," "wolf!"
iSee
macrumors 68040
Stop yelling! This is a forum thread, not a formal debate; it's OK for the discussion to wander.
I don't hate Vista at all. I love it. But ironically, I am moving to the Mac OS because of Vista. It made me realise that if the best they can do is a Tiger copy, why don't I get Leopard instead. So I think I will.
Vista is damn slow
Why everybody hates Vista? Especially System Administrators? 🙂
It's simple - because it is slow, sometimes Vista requires about 2-3 min. for some simple operation - like Properties on some folder (in Windows Explorer). Even in 386/16 MHz with 4 MB of RAM and Windows 95 this simple right-left click operation took about 1-2 sec, depending of the folder size of course. In new fresh installed Vista on P4 3 GHz with 2 GB RAM, 160 GB SATA-2 and good video adapter - I was amazed to see what happend: the computer almost freeze for 2.5 min., the mouse moves very slow on the screen, then I saw the result - and this was for an empty directory.
I tested some games and graphics tests with my own computer - AMD x2 3800+ 4 GB RAM, 320 GB HDD SATA-2, Geforce 7900 - XP was faster about 2.5 times then Vista on every single test or game. Sometimes I had results like 60 FPS in Vista and 178-180 in XP and XP 64 bit.
Is this enough as reason for not installing Vista ever?
Why everybody hates Vista? Especially System Administrators? 🙂
It's simple - because it is slow, sometimes Vista requires about 2-3 min. for some simple operation - like Properties on some folder (in Windows Explorer). Even in 386/16 MHz with 4 MB of RAM and Windows 95 this simple right-left click operation took about 1-2 sec, depending of the folder size of course. In new fresh installed Vista on P4 3 GHz with 2 GB RAM, 160 GB SATA-2 and good video adapter - I was amazed to see what happend: the computer almost freeze for 2.5 min., the mouse moves very slow on the screen, then I saw the result - and this was for an empty directory.
I tested some games and graphics tests with my own computer - AMD x2 3800+ 4 GB RAM, 320 GB HDD SATA-2, Geforce 7900 - XP was faster about 2.5 times then Vista on every single test or game. Sometimes I had results like 60 FPS in Vista and 178-180 in XP and XP 64 bit.
Is this enough as reason for not installing Vista ever?
I didn't "hate" Vista when I used it. It just didn't support many of the swappable usb hardware I would use. Before I bought my new MB I reverted back to XP Pro. I will install XP Pro and probably sell my version of Vista. It was sluggish and was quite resource hungry. Anyways, if it works for you great, but I would agree on the comment made about win98 to WinME upgrade.
Eraserhead
macrumors G4
Apologies for the very slow reply, I didn't think more posts had been made 😱.
No, because they get added to registry too.
Me, when I used Windows 😉. Seriously although I reinstall OS X fairly regularly the speedup when I used Windows and reinstalled it was huge.
No, because they get added to registry too.
Me, when I used Windows 😉. Seriously although I reinstall OS X fairly regularly the speedup when I used Windows and reinstalled it was huge.
miniConvert
macrumors 68040
I personally hate Vista because of all that it was promised to be that failed to materialise.
Windows 'Longhorn' was supposed to be a revolutionary OS, with several new core technologies including a new file system. The PC world, dominated by Microsoft, requires innovation at the OS level to drive it forward. The lack of competition, however, has allowed Microsoft to release Vista, after it failed to realise the initial dreams of Longhorn, which is essentially a rehashed and updated Windows XP. The Windows 98 to Windows ME analogy holds out quite well here.
Yes, Vista brings other issues to the party, but that's not why most people hate it. They hate it because it's a disappointment. A let-down. An example of why the worlds desktop computers should not be controlled by one company.
Windows 'Longhorn' was supposed to be a revolutionary OS, with several new core technologies including a new file system. The PC world, dominated by Microsoft, requires innovation at the OS level to drive it forward. The lack of competition, however, has allowed Microsoft to release Vista, after it failed to realise the initial dreams of Longhorn, which is essentially a rehashed and updated Windows XP. The Windows 98 to Windows ME analogy holds out quite well here.
Yes, Vista brings other issues to the party, but that's not why most people hate it. They hate it because it's a disappointment. A let-down. An example of why the worlds desktop computers should not be controlled by one company.
Eraserhead
macrumors G4
That pretty much sums it up for me, Vista is OK, but after 6 years it should be better than OK.
Father Jack
macrumors 68020
j26
macrumors 68000
I post at a bike forum and the general consensus there (remember mainly pc users saying this) is that it's a bag of faeces.
Edit: I'm amazed my post got edited for profanity when the post above me has a different (and as profane, considering that it is still not an official description) word for the exact same thing.
PS Sorry for any offence, so I've edited it to a dictionary word.
Edit: I'm amazed my post got edited for profanity when the post above me has a different (and as profane, considering that it is still not an official description) word for the exact same thing.
PS Sorry for any offence, so I've edited it to a dictionary word.
Vista drove me back to a Mac...
It is really "coke versus pepsi" for me, but I just did not enjoy vista at all. I did not like the interface, the workflow, the stability, or the features versus hardware requirements ratio. The thought of having to use it for the next 5 years was daunting.
So I upgraded my system to a Mac. I get all the unix goodness I can stand without the hassles of finding laptop that runs Linux perfectly.
FWIW, I've run windows, macs, linux and commercial *nix's for years so there is no learning curve or application hassles involved in switching OS's for me. I work fine on anything. The fact that Vmware can provide a solid "windows compatibility layer" on Mac or Linux makes the transition a no brainer.
It is really "coke versus pepsi" for me, but I just did not enjoy vista at all. I did not like the interface, the workflow, the stability, or the features versus hardware requirements ratio. The thought of having to use it for the next 5 years was daunting.
So I upgraded my system to a Mac. I get all the unix goodness I can stand without the hassles of finding laptop that runs Linux perfectly.
FWIW, I've run windows, macs, linux and commercial *nix's for years so there is no learning curve or application hassles involved in switching OS's for me. I work fine on anything. The fact that Vmware can provide a solid "windows compatibility layer" on Mac or Linux makes the transition a no brainer.
It is fun to hate vista, MS copies mac and does not even do a good job of it. Vista is hard to use and stupid, this is why people hate vista much more than XP
benzslrpee
macrumors 6502
cause it's the cool thing to do...even Paris Hilton hates Vista so that's gotta be hot right 😀 i'm not going to say i hate it cause i don't, i just find it hard to like at either $239 for Home Premium or $399 for Ultimate. you know you're paying a hefty price tag for a half-assed OS that was supposed to be more right?
can you give me a good reason for me to switch to Vista? i love the dichotomy of this question...if i admit that XP sucked the big one i'm basically finally admitting that XP was a piece of ***** or if i say Vista is just as stable as XP was and does everything i used to do on XP, then why are you paying $200+ on a new product that did the same thing as the old one?
i think Vista is an ok product but my reasons for switching are rather superficial, i went for the looks and the "newness" of it all but i only spent $34 bucks at my campus software store for Ultimate instead of the cut throat price. if i didn't have the university discount i'd have a hard time figuring out why i would bother upgrading.
can you give me a good reason for me to switch to Vista? i love the dichotomy of this question...if i admit that XP sucked the big one i'm basically finally admitting that XP was a piece of ***** or if i say Vista is just as stable as XP was and does everything i used to do on XP, then why are you paying $200+ on a new product that did the same thing as the old one?
i think Vista is an ok product but my reasons for switching are rather superficial, i went for the looks and the "newness" of it all but i only spent $34 bucks at my campus software store for Ultimate instead of the cut throat price. if i didn't have the university discount i'd have a hard time figuring out why i would bother upgrading.
Father Jack
macrumors 68020
gkarris
macrumors G3
Gosh people, why all the hate?
Out of everyone I've met using Vista, everyone has had either hardware or peripheral problems.
The only person I've met that has had NO PROBLEMS with Vista is a person using it with bootcamp on their MacBook. 😱
Talk about irony....
pastrychef
macrumors 601
A friend of mine who purchased a Gateway laptop with Vista pre-installed on it called me for help to connect it to his home network. I had been responsible for the initial setup of the network which consisted of two desktops (running XP), two laptops (one running XP, one running OS X), and two printers. I ended up spending over an hour there trying to connect to the wireless network and leaving unsuccessful. It's a simple wireless network that should've taken no more than 2 minutes to connect to! I have no idea why it just wouldn't work...
Nitrocide
macrumors 6502
Jesus... Why do you care so much? Try it and decide for yourself, especially if your just going to automatically discard issues other people have, you asked, and its their personal opinion.
I think a lot of the points made that youve ruled out are actually worthy. You basically said Vista is a Merc and OS X is a... bicycle?
Even on my MBP it actually feels some strain with vista, which is crazy as its JUST an operating system. I don't like vista personally though because its even more confusing, i swear it took me about half an hour searching how to turn off the UAC crap.
I think a lot of the points made that youve ruled out are actually worthy. You basically said Vista is a Merc and OS X is a... bicycle?
Even on my MBP it actually feels some strain with vista, which is crazy as its JUST an operating system. I don't like vista personally though because its even more confusing, i swear it took me about half an hour searching how to turn off the UAC crap.
Schtumple
macrumors 601
Home networking are (still) a pain in the ass to setup, specifically if you want to allow file sharing (over that network).
On a mac, tick the correct box and another mac will see your mac, simple.
On windows, wade through window after window of settings, only for it to not work, I got so frustrated at my dad's computer I vowed never to buy windows again.
XP drove me to buying a mac, Vista has kept me using it...
On a mac, tick the correct box and another mac will see your mac, simple.
On windows, wade through window after window of settings, only for it to not work, I got so frustrated at my dad's computer I vowed never to buy windows again.
XP drove me to buying a mac, Vista has kept me using it...
GuillaumeB
macrumors 6502
Because it's a hateful plateform
It takes 15 gb on your hard drive, it comes with no compatible drivers to make your existing hardware config properly work. It brings absolutely nothing nor does it add anything from XP except a big huge stupid slow system.
Computers with Vista on them have 1 or 2 gb...just because Vista NEEDS that. My father got vista and 2 gb he had to turn off aero.... Compared to Beryl on Linux OS..vista looks just plain stupid
Vista is hate-able I HATE VISTA. Thanks Microsoft though because you made me switch to Mac OS X
I can't believe the developers did not do it from scratch...they continue their stupid Windows project and now there's linke 60 millionslines of codes... plenty of room for plenty of bugs...
It takes 15 gb on your hard drive, it comes with no compatible drivers to make your existing hardware config properly work. It brings absolutely nothing nor does it add anything from XP except a big huge stupid slow system.
Computers with Vista on them have 1 or 2 gb...just because Vista NEEDS that. My father got vista and 2 gb he had to turn off aero.... Compared to Beryl on Linux OS..vista looks just plain stupid
Vista is hate-able I HATE VISTA. Thanks Microsoft though because you made me switch to Mac OS X
I can't believe the developers did not do it from scratch...they continue their stupid Windows project and now there's linke 60 millionslines of codes... plenty of room for plenty of bugs...
DoFoT9
macrumors P6
lol thats because its using bootcamp 😛 thats the difference, mac software just makes everything better!
very well put buddy. i totally agree.
microsoft are just after profits (like apple) except apple does a better job making their products.
Do you guys really believe everything you say? I'm not trying to be a prick but I have to ask. Is it just being inexperienced in the windows platform that makes you think there are these huge issues and instability probs..etc? Have you spent any time actually using it? I'm not talking about 1-2 hours or a week. I mean using it for like 3 months to learn the platform inside out.
Maybe I'm lucky. At work we have about 10 workstations running vista business and 5 notebooks. We also have 100 workstations that are XP Pro. With all the windows hatered, one would think that we'd need an IT staff of like 40 people just managing all these terrible vista and microshit related computers. Sadly we have two and we still have time to chill once in a while. We have some Dual G5's at work too and to be honest, I have to go to those more than our windows boxes but I blame Quark, Suitcase and the Xante printers for most of those issues.
Anyway my home machine is now 8 months old with Vista64 on it. I also put Vista on an old Asus notebook with a 1.6Ghz Centrino and 768MB RAM. Yes it was a bit slower than XP on that box but not that much. Fully usable. Anyway not one freeze or bluescreen on either of those machines so far. I dont even run AV on my desktop machine (just surf carefully).
Ok so the deal is this. 99% of instability is caused by bad and faulty hardware such as bad ram..etc. I've also had flaky unstable OSX machines at work. I could easily say its crap and make a blanket statement but I ran a memtest on it and it was bad ram - on two of the 10 dual 2.5Ghz G5's. If I didnt take the time to figure out the issue, then we could have just chalked it up to sh*t computer or crappy OS which was not the case.
Microsoft caters to all kinds of hardware, its up to the vendor, being Apple, Dell, HP, Gateway or even yourself if you're building your own, to decide what hardware is reliable, what hardware has good driver support etc. If you buy crappy hardware with poor support, then you will end up with a crappy experience.
I dont know what else I can say but its sad that everyone pats each other on the back thinking they are making smart comments but I doubt highly that anyone really knows whats going on. You just hear that something is bad or take one bad experience and feed off it and each other until a grain of sand is turned into a mountain. Reminds me of a whole Mustang vs Camaro debates in the 80's and early 90's. Each one spewing out information they heard from a friend of a friend or maybe drive some beat up car and then decided to use that as an example.
You really want to know what the deal is on Vista and OSX and what people think about them? Try strolling into a large forum with users from both sides where people interact. Something like the forums at Arstechnica. Dont be shy. Check out the mac area, check out the windows area. Check out the hardware areas...poke around the linux area and see what everyone talks about.
PS. Before I get yelled at for not being a mac guy (which is true as its not my main box) but I do have a dual 500Mhz G4 with 1Gig RAM with 10.3 on there. Its in the bedroom because its a bit more quiet than my other boxes. I have a linux box I play with sometimes and I still have my Pentium 60 with OS/2 2.1 - for memories sake 🙂 I have a Win2k server running on dual pentium Pro 200Mhz CPUs and its in its 5th year of doing so. Maybe I am different than most and can see the good in everything instead of picking it apart. I like it all and none have ever given me grief.
Maybe I'm lucky. At work we have about 10 workstations running vista business and 5 notebooks. We also have 100 workstations that are XP Pro. With all the windows hatered, one would think that we'd need an IT staff of like 40 people just managing all these terrible vista and microshit related computers. Sadly we have two and we still have time to chill once in a while. We have some Dual G5's at work too and to be honest, I have to go to those more than our windows boxes but I blame Quark, Suitcase and the Xante printers for most of those issues.
Anyway my home machine is now 8 months old with Vista64 on it. I also put Vista on an old Asus notebook with a 1.6Ghz Centrino and 768MB RAM. Yes it was a bit slower than XP on that box but not that much. Fully usable. Anyway not one freeze or bluescreen on either of those machines so far. I dont even run AV on my desktop machine (just surf carefully).
Ok so the deal is this. 99% of instability is caused by bad and faulty hardware such as bad ram..etc. I've also had flaky unstable OSX machines at work. I could easily say its crap and make a blanket statement but I ran a memtest on it and it was bad ram - on two of the 10 dual 2.5Ghz G5's. If I didnt take the time to figure out the issue, then we could have just chalked it up to sh*t computer or crappy OS which was not the case.
Microsoft caters to all kinds of hardware, its up to the vendor, being Apple, Dell, HP, Gateway or even yourself if you're building your own, to decide what hardware is reliable, what hardware has good driver support etc. If you buy crappy hardware with poor support, then you will end up with a crappy experience.
I dont know what else I can say but its sad that everyone pats each other on the back thinking they are making smart comments but I doubt highly that anyone really knows whats going on. You just hear that something is bad or take one bad experience and feed off it and each other until a grain of sand is turned into a mountain. Reminds me of a whole Mustang vs Camaro debates in the 80's and early 90's. Each one spewing out information they heard from a friend of a friend or maybe drive some beat up car and then decided to use that as an example.
You really want to know what the deal is on Vista and OSX and what people think about them? Try strolling into a large forum with users from both sides where people interact. Something like the forums at Arstechnica. Dont be shy. Check out the mac area, check out the windows area. Check out the hardware areas...poke around the linux area and see what everyone talks about.
PS. Before I get yelled at for not being a mac guy (which is true as its not my main box) but I do have a dual 500Mhz G4 with 1Gig RAM with 10.3 on there. Its in the bedroom because its a bit more quiet than my other boxes. I have a linux box I play with sometimes and I still have my Pentium 60 with OS/2 2.1 - for memories sake 🙂 I have a Win2k server running on dual pentium Pro 200Mhz CPUs and its in its 5th year of doing so. Maybe I am different than most and can see the good in everything instead of picking it apart. I like it all and none have ever given me grief.
Agent Smith
macrumors 6502
The problem with that analogy is that a CD player is not meant to be backwards compatible, whereas Vista is backwards compatible, for the most part.