Why doesn't Apple include 2.1A chargers

[sahilpatel12]

State law will be $15, lad.

Wages won't be a problem with our business model, lad.

I hope so lad. If you get an lunch with Tim , please remind him of it. I pay $15 for an lad who flips burgers Tim.. Whatca pay someone n that flips phone in your factory.

Please get back to me with an answer on it lad. I need to get on bottom of it.

Thank lad.
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In all seriousness though, my in laws have always charged their iPhones with iPad chargers. All 3 of them have had issues with batteries on their respective iPhones. Make of that whatever you will - I use that Anker 5 USB number. Works for me, with no battery deg yet.

Same lad I use anker 5 port, two high speeds ( iPhone , watch) and 3 regulars which usually are empty unless I need to charge my trimmer, shaver and mophie battery backup.

 

[ohms12]

I hope so lad. If you get an lunch with Tim , please remind him of it. I pay $15 for an lad who flips burgers Tim.. Whatca pay someone n that flips phone in your factory.

Please get back to me with an answer on it lad. I need to get on bottom of it.

Thank lad.
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Same lad I use anker 5 port, two high speeds ( iPhone , watch) and 3 regulars which usually are empty unless I need to charge my trimmer, shaver and mophie battery backup.

Lad.

 

[_Refurbished_]

I hope so lad. If you get an lunch with Tim , please remind him of it. I pay $15 for an lad who flips burgers Tim.. Whatca pay someone n that flips phone in your factory.

Please get back to me with an answer on it lad. I need to get on bottom of it.

Thank lad.
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Same lad I use anker 5 port, two high speeds ( iPhone , watch) and 3 regulars which usually are empty unless I need to charge my trimmer, shaver and mophie battery backup.

 

[sahilpatel12]

That moment when you win that trash talk.
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Lad.

Oye mate.

 

[2IS]

To those saying most users won't care... How do you know? Where are you pulling this data from? I'm willing to bet if most users actually knew they could charge their phone nearly 2x faster, they'd certainly care and want the bigger charger. And I'm likely getting my data from the same place you are... My own opinion. But at least I'm basing mine on the fact there's a benefit to the user. Whats yours based on?

 

[33man]

Let me answer your question by that one : why they replaced the 2 m charging cord for the watch by 1m only?


COST.


1 unit price difference is almost nothing, you multiply this by 10 million units => big change...

 

[Nozuka]

Turned off fast charging on my galaxy s7, because i only charge at night... speed doesn't really matter to me.

Won't miss it on the 7 either. (well it has a small battery anyway)

 

[HEK]

Cost? Don't buy it (no pun intended).

After thinking about it for a bit I'd assume Apple doesn't want to include it because of how big the adapter is.

Also, I just got off the phone with Apple and the rep advised me not to use the IPad charger over a long period of time as it is not good for the battery. I feel like we've seen Apple say the opposite in the past and their support site even lists the iPad charger as being compatible with iPhones.

Not sure who to believe.

Let's examine the situation. Go with a published statement by Apple. Vetted by engineering and legal. Something you can go back to as proof. Or the verbal statement by one rep over the phone. That may have been hired last week and gave you their opinion on something they have no training or technical knowledge of and contradicts apple's own corporate statement. Mmmmmm let me think.......

Does that clear it up for you?

As a side note, the charger is built into the phone. The power adapter cube is a transformer and rectifier that turns 120V 60Hz and 220V 50Hz into 5V DC. The charging circuit, in the phone, controls the amount of current drawn from the "power adapter" small cube, or iPad, or the even larger 28 watt power adapter used with Mac which needs a different cable to use for the phone. I use all three.

The charger inside the phone regulates the amount of draw from the power adapter regardless of how big it is. From 0 to 70% it will draw maximum the power adapter can put out. Then progressively steps down until at 100% it is trickle charging intermittently. At no time does the charger allow the Li Ion battery to reach high damaging voltage. According to some sources, Battery University, and other articles, it may even be better for Li Ion battery's longevity to charge at faster rate.

It is yet to be revealed what the cause of Samsung's exploding battery is. The general statements keeps saying battery, which it may be. But it could alternately be a faulty charging circuit in the phone that allows too much current and goes over voltage. ALL Li Ion batteries will exhibit the runaway explosive reaction if taken to an over voltage state.

As to why Apple has not included the larger capacity adapter, do the numbers. Apple has sold one billion iPhones, if the larger adapter costs $3 more that would mean $3,000,000,000 less profit. Every cent counts when you talk a billion units. What could you do with an extra 3 billion dollars ?

 

[_Refurbished_]

Let's examine the situation. Go with a published statement by Apple. Vetted by engineering and legal. Something you can go back to as proof. Or the verbal statement by one rep over the phone. That may have been hired last week and gave you their opinion on something they have no training or technical knowledge of and contradicts apple's own corporate statement. Mmmmmm let me think.......

Does that clear it up for you?

They didn't give me their opinion. They said I shouldn't use the iPad charger over a long period of time. That's not an opinion, but rather a direct answer from a corporation.

I worked for one of the largest corporations in the world, and I can tell you that there were plenty of times things like this would come up and would have to be rectified on our end.

Condescending remarks don't make you correct, they just make you condescending.
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To those saying most users won't care... How do you know? Where are you pulling this data from? I'm willing to bet if most users actually knew they could charge their phone nearly 2x faster, they'd certainly care and want the bigger charger. And I'm likely getting my data from the same place you are... My own opinion. But at least I'm basing mine on the fact there's a benefit to the user. Whats yours based on?

As someone that was in the Android community this year, I can tell you that Android users care heavily about fast charging their phones. There is a lot of talk about which new phones have quickcharge 1.0, 2.0, or 3.0. Quickcharging is a big feature for their phones and it's something thats used on a daily basis.

 

[HEK]

They didn't give me their opinion. They said I shouldn't use the iPad charger over a long period of time. That's not an opinion, but rather a direct answer from a corporation.

I worked for one of the largest corporations in the world, and I can tell you that there were plenty of times things like this would come up and would have to be rectified on our end.

Condescending remarks don't make you correct, they just make you condescending.
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As someone that was in the Android community this year, I can tell you that Android users care heavily about fast charging their phones. There is a lot of talk about which new phones have quickcharge 1.0, 2.0, or 3.0. Quickcharging is a big feature for their phones and it's something thats used on a daily basis.

Not being condescending, trying to make the point that a written corporate policy supersedes in all instance a verbal statement by an employee. The statement that fast charging will affect the longevity of the battery is MOST CERTAINLY that person's opinion. You can look up technical articles about fast charging on the chemistry of Li Ion batteries. Researchers have clearly found that it can actually improve longevity by more completely reversing the chemical process.

I would spend the time looking them up and posting except for two reasons. First I don't really care what you do or don't do with your phone. I was trying to share some information and opinion I have. And second, I am condescending, so look it up yourself.

 

[_Refurbished_]

Not being condescending, trying to make the point that a written corporate policy supersedes in all instance a verbal statement by an employee. The statement that fast charging will affect the longevity of the battery is MOST CERTAINLY that person's opinion. You can look up technical articles about fast charging on the chemistry of Li Ion batteries. Researchers have clearly found that it can actually improve longevity by more completely reversing the chemical process.

I would spend the time looking them up and posting except for two reasons. First I don't really care what you do or don't do with your phone. I was trying to share some information and opinion I have. And second, I am condescending, so look it up yourself.

I have read the same article you speak of, but that doesn't mean I'm not going to follow a manufacturer's instructions.

Also, there is no way there is a $3 cost difference between the chargers. When you make 10,000,000 units of something, the cost tends to drop significantly. Especially when the two products are so similar in design/function.

In my opinion (see what I did there?), you are condescending and I don't care about your assumed knowledge.

 

[Newtons Apple]

The average user charges their phone while sleeping and a larger charger is not needed. For those who live on their device Apple sell the larger charger.

 

[geoff5093]

Because how else can they introduce fast charging next year as "innovative" if they started doing it now?

 

[C DM]

Seems like everything got addressed in the first few replies, but the regurgitation of the same things just keeps on going and going.

 

[_Refurbished_]

Seems like everything got addressed in the first few replies, but the regurgitation of the same things just keeps on going and going.

Cue mid-thread post to demonstrate the redundancy of most threads on these forums.

 

[BigMcGuire]

The statement that fast charging will affect the longevity of the battery is MOST CERTAINLY that person's opinion. You can look up technical articles about fast charging on the chemistry of Li Ion batteries. Researchers have clearly found that it can actually improve longevity by more completely reversing the chemical process.

This user speaks truth. My iPhone 6+ was paired with an Anker 6 port 60w/12a most of its life (and a 24w/4.8a car charger). I have a battery OCD so I checked the battery health on coconutBattery religiously and the 1.5 years I had my iPhone 6+ its battery health was over 100% of design capacity even after 200+ charge cycles. My 6s+ 4 months in is showing the same results with the same chargers (I use Anker batteries mostly now).

I imagine keeping your battery at 80%-40% would do more good than anything. But that's just too much of a PIA.

LOL'ed pretty hard at the lad portion above.